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09-09-2013, 04:54 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Greensboro, Nc United States
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| first heat cycle My baby is 8 months, she just went in here first heat and I think she may be pregnant by my friends yorkie, the are very close in age and size. I let her stay there for about 2 weeks while I was moving and when I went and got here I noticed she was in heat because she was swollen down there and her nipples are bigger, is the a very bad thing? |
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09-09-2013, 04:59 PM | #2 | |
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09-09-2013, 05:13 PM | #4 |
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| Well, now is not a good time to breed her, because she´s way to young, and I´m sure that even your vet would advise you to have her spayed just in case now. Think of it this way, some little girls can get their first period at the age of 9 years old, but that doesnt mean their body is ready to grow a baby. I really think you should take her to the vet. |
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09-10-2013, 05:17 AM | #6 |
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| Did the person you left you baby with, actually see the puppies tie? If your baby was NOT in heat when you took her and left her with these people, and she was there for 2 weeks, she may not have yet been receptive....both these babies are inexperienced.....do the people that "baby sat" for you, KNOW how an intact male behaves around an intact female, and can thus intervene BEFORE a puppy's life is put at risk by an "unattended" breeding? Having this baby spayed now is the responsible, ethical thing to do, rather than let this baby possibly have babies. If you are wanting to become a breeder, you will need to acquire a knowledge base on the subject, so you can recognize when your ladies are in heat and how often they come into heat.....My mentor always told me, "There are NO "accidnetal" breedings, you screwed up.. As a responsible breeder, you KNOW when your females are due to come into heat....you know the signs of the different stages of the heat cycle so you recognize behavior when the female is coming into season. You never run intact males and females together, especially unsupervised, at any time,,,,this will result in two outcomes.....unintentional breedings and/or fights between your dogs. This is the very FIRST thing that separates you from just another BYB'r or a puppy mill." My mentor, thank God, was always brutally honest with me and very intolerant of what she considered "ignorance" on my part. She does not accept excuses at all....her tough as nails behavior has made me a much better breeder, accountable, responsible, ethical, with an uncompromising sense of integrity. I share this information with you, praying you will benefit from the guidance my mentor gave me. |
09-10-2013, 06:01 AM | #7 | |
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Also, before two dogs tie, they position themselfs, the female flags, the male hops up and hops down etc (like a little "warning" dance), it´s not something that happens in the blink of an eye and so quickly that no one could have possibly done anything.There is a good 60 seconds (even more if both dogs are inexperienced) where someone can be quick to intervene...but someone actually has to be there for that to happen | |
09-10-2013, 08:55 AM | #8 | |
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09-10-2013, 10:22 AM | #9 | |
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She was in heat and when we finally got her back, we had no idea she was pregnant (first dog, no idea about anything = disaster ) It didnt end well.One day, we came home to a few half formed pups in pools of blood all over the livingroom floor and Estrella was bleeding. We rushed her to the vet, she needed a an emergency c-section, she was spayed and she lost all the pups..it cost my parents HUNDREDS to get her back to health..ALOT more than spaying her would have cost So you see, if you don´t have the money to just spay her now, what are you going to do if something smiliar happens and you need ten times more the amount? I trully hope nothing alike happens of course, but when a puppy has puppies, the possibilities are high :/ | |
09-10-2013, 10:38 AM | #10 |
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| Let's hope she's not pregnant...since the boy is also very close in age, hope his sperm is not active yet. BUT, if they did tie & it did take, you have the choice to spay her now or be prepared for a c-section bc she is still growing & her pelvic area might not be big enough to give birth. X-rays, c-section, vet care, it all costs $. $ that you say you don't have. Breeding doesn't produce any profit, esp for a novice back yard breeder. How about testing & getting certified, is your girl a good representation of the breed? How about the boy? What if the puppies are born w/genetic faults/defects? Do you know what luxating patellas are & that they cost $3000+ for the surgery? How about liver shunt? It's very common in the breed of poorly bred puppies. Who pays for it? The new unsuspecting owners. You certainly don't want to give the pups away, you want them to go to 4ever loving, responsible homes that can afford to give the best life for the puppies (& those who can afford to pay for the vet care & unexpected surgeries if it arises)...not to someone that will fall in the same predicament as you are in now.
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09-10-2013, 12:29 PM | #12 |
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| I believe it is clear to you that it is not good to breed an 8 month old female. That aside, how much does she weigh? Does she have any health issues? She really needs to be checked by a vet as soon as possible and continued visits until it is determined whether she is pregnant or not. Her care under the supervision of a vet is more important than anything right now. If she is small or she is not built for an easy pregnancy then the vet can do things to save her. This is very serious. She could handle this pregnancy with little or no problems or she could die from this pregnancy. The puppies could be in jeopardy or have serious health issues. A vet is your only answer to save the mother and her puppies. Let us hope that she did not tie and that this is a lesson learned. Vet care is critical. Everything else can be dealt with at a later time. Most reputable breeders wait for the 3rd heat cycle or the female is 18 months or older. Males should be at least a year old. I hope this is just a false alarm. |
09-10-2013, 12:48 PM | #13 | |
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IF she somehow manages to make it through whelping without dying, are you prepared to take care of those pups if she decides to reject them or even attempts to kill them because of her age? Can you an afford to stay home and bottle or tube feed them every 2 hours, make sure they are maintaining their body temperature, stimulate them to void and stool? Yes, an emergency spa is expensive. But not any where nearly as expensive as an emergency c-section, treatment for infection or eclampsia or the loss of several weeks wages. What is her life worth?
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09-10-2013, 02:01 PM | #14 |
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| Yikes, not a good situation for your sweet girl. Can you take her into the Vet to get a check up? Talk to the Vet ask how much emergency c-sections are, ask about the risks, ask about how much it is to care for puppies..etc. I would try your hardest to get her spayed. You can always open a Care Credit. Most Vet's have them. Do you really want your 8 month old puppy to go through this?
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09-10-2013, 04:48 PM | #15 |
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| If you can't afford to have her spayed - you can't afford to breed. You also can't afford to leave her with an intact male unsupervised at any time until she is spayed. If she's not over two and hasn't had three cycles - you are putting her at risk of death. How will you afford to save her life? How will you afford the x-rays and everything else needed? Just hoping you really stop and think about this now so that you aren't dealing with a dead dog or puppies later. Thanks.
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