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lynzy420 08-20-2013 04:53 PM

By the way...I have always made sure that I thank every soldier I "meet"....Thank you for your service to this country...I am sincerely grateful.

Now do the right thing young man....

ladyjane 08-20-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 4300051)
You got yourself and Shy into this predicament, but it sounds like you are blaming people on this forum for not stepping up to the plate when they had nothing to do with your decision. The responsibility is ALL yours.

I'm not sure what you think anybody here should be doing for you. They told you about several resources for good information, but it is up to you to look it up, read, and study, they can't do that for you.

Further, an online mentor just won't cut it. You need someone to be right there, physically, when your girl whelps. Perhaps your vet can recommend someone that is experienced in the whelping of toy breeds, and hopefully that person will have a litter on the way and you can participate and learn firsthand. There are so many things that can go wrong, and you need someone right there that is experienced enough to recognize if there is a problem.

I would rather see an emergency spay in this situation, but if you are bound and determined to put Shy through this you've got a lot of work ahead of you. You need to start studying NOW. You need to find a local mentor NOW. You need to start putting aside emergency and/or c-section funds NOW. You need to completely clear your schedule for her due date NOW. You need to get serious about this, because this isn't all lollipops and rainbows, this could end up a tragedy and Shy and her pups are depending on YOU (not the people on this forum).

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I will never forget the female yorkie I saw one night at the Emergency Clinic. Her owner brought her in wrapped up in a blanket. She put her on the counter and took the blanket off and there was a puppy stuck, just hanging out of the mother....dead of course. :( They took her right back in and when I got called back I could hear the owner in the next room refusing a Csection for her female. I was horrified. When I left, the woman was sitting on the waiting room floor with the mother in a crate (no clue where that came from)... but the poor mother pup looked so distressed. I think of her every time I see a thread like this...I don't think people realize how dangerous it is to breed these tiny pups. It is definitely not all lollipops and rainbows...I know I could never EVER do it.

lovespandp 08-20-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4300315)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I will never forget the female yorkie I saw one night at the Emergency Clinic. Her owner brought her in wrapped up in a blanket. She put her on the counter and took the blanket off and there was a puppy stuck, just hanging out of the mother....dead of course. :( They took her right back in and when I got called back I could hear the owner in the next room refusing a Csection for her female. I was horrified. When I left, the woman was sitting on the waiting room floor with the mother in a crate (no clue where that came from)... but the poor mother pup looked so distressed. I think of her every time I see a thread like this...I don't think people realize how dangerous it is to breed these tiny pups. It is definitely not all lollipops and rainbows...I know I could never EVER do it.

Omg goodness.. How horrible! That poor dog. So sad. Breeding is so complex, I know I could never do it, or want to do it. I didnt even want to stud Peanut out. I was always getting asked- any where we went- it was so annoying. Its sad people get so wrapped in it. I also didnt want to deal with what comes with that. Peanut is MY BABY, the only ass he should want to be around is mine! :p I wish people would just leave the breeding to the responsible, reputable breeders.

jeane 08-20-2013 06:20 PM

I agree

capt_noonie 08-20-2013 07:43 PM

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking....

Do you even know for sure if Shy is pregnant? No right? Bc u haven't even gone. To the vet for an ultrasound yet. I think that's what you should be doing instead of calling us all snobs. Us who worry about nothing but the well being of your girl. We are worry about HER. You not so much.

lovespandp 08-20-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4300385)
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking....

Do you even know for sure if Shy is pregnant? No right? Bc u haven't even gone. To the vet for an ultrasound yet. I think that's what you should be doing instead of calling us all snobs. Us who worry about nothing but the well being of your girl. We are worry about HER. You not so much.

:thumbup: also one who doesnt want to get an ultrasound "yet". He would rather use our wonderful breeders insite.

Take her to the Vet!

bjh 08-20-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydoubledub (Post 4300377)
Huh, gone for a few hours and the least helpful forum I've ever been on gets worse. I skimmed a few comments and all but 2 or 3 were bashing and chatting. I hope you unhelpful people feel great. Anyways, thank you to the ones that have helped and have sent the helpful messages.

You snobs that sit there and bash people for mistakes deserve... You know what, I'm not going to your level.

Again, thank you to the ones that HELPED.

FYI, you gossipers can keep chatting to one another if you wish. I'm sure someone has remodeled something or have some story to tell each other. I have some great PM's with a load of information to read, even more online in forums, and a ton listen to from my vet. I don't plan on entertaining your egos. The only thing you've succeeded in doing is alienating someone who was looking for your help. Snobs will be snobs...

I have had not posted before now because I don't like to get involved in online disputes. First of all I want to say that I truly hope your little girl has a safe whelp if she is pregnant. I have been raising yorkies for over 16 years so I know from experience the joy of breeding and I also know the dangers. Please don't take anything for granted. Your girl could have problems so just be prepared. If you know someone that has experience delivering puppies then ask them if they would be willing to help you. If nothing else the vet can even help deliver the pups. As for the caring, concerned people that posted on this thread that you are calling snobs, I take offense to that. They are all just honest concerning people that don't sugar coat what they say. I have been on YT a number of years and have learned so much and I did not always like or agree with what people told me but I listened and learned. Your main concern should be that little girl of yours. Please put aside your differences and try to be a bit more understanding of those that have your little girl's best interest in mind.

OwnedByJezebel 08-20-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4300315)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I will never forget the female yorkie I saw one night at the Emergency Clinic. Her owner brought her in wrapped up in a blanket. She put her on the counter and took the blanket off and there was a puppy stuck, just hanging out of the mother....dead of course. :( They took her right back in and when I got called back I could hear the owner in the next room refusing a Csection for her female. I was horrified. When I left, the woman was sitting on the waiting room floor with the mother in a crate (no clue where that came from)... but the poor mother pup looked so distressed. I think of her every time I see a thread like this...I don't think people realize how dangerous it is to breed these tiny pups. It is definitely not all lollipops and rainbows...I know I could never EVER do it.

I remember when you wrote about that here. It's haunting. :cry:

lovespandp 08-20-2013 08:31 PM

When are you going to take her into the Vet for an exam? You don't even know for sure yet.. I'm sure your Vet can send you home with some vitamins, food ideas, Some advice even.

Yorkiemom1 08-20-2013 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by jaydoubledub
I have some great PM's with a load of information to read, even more online in forums, and a ton listen to from my vet. I don't plan on entertaining your egos. The only thing you've succeeded in doing is alienating someone who was looking for your help. Snobs will be snobs...

You have had access to wonderful information in the breeders section of this forum ever since you became a member here. You are wrong about what we "snobs" have succeeded in doing....we "snobs" have succeeded in getting you to assume some accountability for Shy's predicament, and have succeeded in getting you to read and research information that has always been there for you to learn from....albeit better late than never. So even if you dont want to admit it to yourself or anyone else, we "snobs" have indeed been successful in getting YOU to become proactive and get busy and read and research and learn. You are very welcome.....

capt_noonie 08-20-2013 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4300443)
Originally Posted by jaydoubledub
I have some great PM's with a load of information to read, even more online in forums, and a ton listen to from my vet. I don't plan on entertaining your egos. The only thing you've succeeded in doing is alienating someone who was looking for your help. Snobs will be snobs...

You have had access to wonderful information in the breeders section of this forum ever since you became a member here. You are wrong about what we "snobs" have succeeded in doing....we "snobs" have succeeded in getting you to assume some accountability for Shy's predicament, and have succeeded in getting you to read and research information that has always been there for you to learn from....albeit better late than never. So even if you dont want to admit it to yourself or anyone else, we "snobs" have indeed been successful in getting YOU to become proactive and get busy and read and research and learn. You are very welcome.....

:thumbup:
Exactly. He got a lot of great advice. I guess it just wasn't delivered in the way he could take it without getting his panties in a wad.

Lovetodream88 08-20-2013 09:43 PM

Every one has accidents and makes mistakes but how you handle them that is what makes you who you are. This accident can be fixed and Shy can have an emergency spay and avoid a lot of things that could happen. If she is a fearful dog what happens if the Labor scares her and her blood pressure shoots up? What happens if out of fear she kills her pups? Set aside what you want and think about her and what she would want and no she doesn't want puppies and she doesn't want the pain of labor and pregnancy she just wants you to love her and take care of her.

Ellie May 08-21-2013 06:45 AM

It looks like you have gotten some good advice about your options, the risk involved, etc.

If you have chosen to let your girl have puppies just get prepared.
Have $thousands available for vet care if needed.
Be ready to take time off.
Ask your vet many questions.
Finding a mentor would be good, but ultimately the first priority is a good vet. I know if my furgirl was having puppies I personally would want my vet to be near because they can examine mom, give drugs, do emergency surgery, etc. So if you try and can't find a mentor just talk to your vet about it.

Not sure why there is a big push for ultrasound. Unless your vet believes it is necessary you may not need to. A lot of people choose to wait and xray. If you are not sure that she is pregnant (could be pretty hard to tell the difference between that and fakse pregnancy) then treat heras if she is.

The diet needs to be changed.
Talk to her vet, :)

Wylie's Mom 08-21-2013 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4300468)
Every one has accidents and makes mistakes but how you handle them that is what makes you who you are.

Taylor, this is truly an excellent sentence/belief. It's how we handle our mistakes that makes us potentially better people. But I also want to piggy back on this sentence and say that it's *just* as important to pay attention to how we handle those who we think have made mistakes. In my opinion, I think it says just as much about a person when witnessing how they handle others who they deem are 'doing wrong'.

We can either help them, or alienate them. On this particular thread, there is definitely both. And the OP is right there in the mucky area too.

Btw, OP, please read YT rules - we don't allow name calling.

Yorkiemom1 08-21-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 4300584)
It looks like you have gotten some good advice about your options, the risk involved, etc.

If you have chosen to let your girl have puppies just get prepared.
Have available for vet care if needed.
Be ready to take time off.
Ask your vet many questions.
Finding a mentor would be good, but ultimately the first priority is a good vet. I know if my furgirl was having puppies I personally would want my vet to be near because they can examine mom, give drugs, do emergency surgery, etc. So if you try and can't find a mentor just talk to your vet about it.

Not sure why there is a big push for ultrasound. Unless your vet believes it is necessary you may not need to. A lot of people choose to wait and xray. If you are not sure that she is pregnant (could be pretty hard to tell the difference between that and fakse pregnancy) then treat heras if she is.

The diet needs to be changed.
Talk to her vet, :)

Ultrasounds can identify a pregnancy at 3 weeks....it is still early enough to terminate the pregnancy with spaying, without additional dangers of hemorrhage from blood engorged reproductive organs. A lot of vets will not do a spay following a c-section, because of the issues with increasing hemorrhage, unless it is an emergent situation. Likewise, they will not terminate a pregnancy that is too far along for the same reason. If you wait until day 56-58 when you normally have your xray done, you have committed to the whelp.

lovespandp 08-21-2013 01:05 PM

OP, Look I apologize that some of us ( myself included) have came on strong. I know we are all worried about Shy’s safety. I know there are ways to go about things, but it is so much easier said than done.. especially if it is something we hold dear to our hearts. Our passion tends to just come out and it gets the best of us. I apologize- non of us want you to think we don't want you here. Non of us want you to think you are alienated.

All of us here are glad to have you as a member, we are glad you came to YT asking the questions you did. Not a lot of people would do that. A lot of the members/ breeders have seen horrible things happen, losing their bitch, losing puppies, sickness getting to the puppies, parvo.. etc. I know that is not something they would want to happen to you. Breeding is not an easy thing to do, it takes a toll on your emotions. It is also very expensive, especially with Yorkies.

I know your reasons of Shy having puppies are innocent, but please look at the other side to this. You really need to ask yourself can you do this.. it is not by any means going to be easy. YT has many breeders, pick a couple and talk to them one on one. They will tell you stories that will make you want to run Shy to the Vet and have an emergency spay. It takes a very special person to breed. Please, please think about this, think about Shy most importantly. Think about the dangers that can happen to her. Without the resources, funds, mentor, Vet on call.. etc. etc you’re not going to be able to do this successfully.

Please just come back and talk to us, we will all be on our best behavior ( myself included). We are getting nowhere and our time is running out.

I ask you from the bottom of my heart ( For Shy’s sake) to please think of what you are doing before it gets too late.

chachi 08-21-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4300814)
OP, Look I apologize that some of us ( myself included) have came on strong. I know we are all worried about Shy’s safety. I know there are ways to go about things, but it is so much easier said than done.. especially if it is something we hold dear to our hearts. Our passion tends to just come out and it gets the best of us. I apologize- non of us want you to think we don't want you here. Non of us want you to think you are alienated.

All of us here are glad to have you as a member, we are glad you came to YT asking the questions you did. Not a lot of people would do that. A lot of the members/ breeders have seen horrible things happen, losing their bitch, losing puppies, sickness getting to the puppies, parvo.. etc. I know that is not something they would want to happen to you. Breeding is not an easy thing to do, it takes a toll on your emotions. It is also very expensive, especially with Yorkies.

I know your reasons of Shy having puppies are innocent, but please look at the other side to this. You really need to ask yourself can you do this.. it is not by any means going to be easy. YT has many breeders, pick a couple and talk to them one on one. They will tell you stories that will make you want to run Shy to the Vet and have an emergency spay. It takes a very special person to breed. Please, please think about this, think about Shy most importantly. Think about the dangers that can happen to her. Without the resources, funds, mentor, Vet on call.. etc. etc you’re not going to be able to do this successfully.

Please just come back and talk to us, we will all be on our best behavior ( myself included). We are getting nowhere and our time is running out.

I ask you from the bottom of my heart ( For Shy’s sake) to please think of what you are doing before it gets too late.

That was a very kind and caring post by you. I hope the Op sees no one is trying to alienate him we are truly concerned and I hope he will take the first step and take shy to the vet

Ellie May 08-21-2013 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4300803)
Ultrasounds can identify a pregnancy at 3 weeks....it is still early enough to terminate the pregnancy with spaying, without additional dangers of hemorrhage from blood engorged reproductive organs. A lot of vets will not do a spay following a c-section, because of the issues with increasing hemorrhage, unless it is an emergent situation. Likewise, they will not terminate a pregnancy that is too far along for the same reason. If you wait until day 56-58 when you normally have your xray done, you have committed to the whelp.

Sounds like he isn't wanting to terminate. If he didn't mind then they could spay immed without imaging.

lynzy420 08-21-2013 02:00 PM

Ya know what bothers me more? The couple of members here that breed for the same reasons...NO GOOD REASON and call themselves a breeder...Why, because they know better....but like this guy they choose not to listen....they put their pups in danger every freaking time they breed...

normarae63 08-21-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4300855)
Ya know what bothers me more? The couple of members here that breed for the same reasons...NO GOOD REASON and call themselves a breeder...Why, because they know better....but like this guy they choose not to listen....they put their pups in danger every freaking time they breed...

I know exactly what you mean Lynzy...it drives me batty too that we have breeders here that continually put their pups & babies at risk by not doing proper health tests. I KNOW they know better after all the time they've spent here on YT! I guess all we can really do is to keep on trying to educate buyers on what makes a good breeder GOOD.

lynzy420 08-21-2013 02:17 PM

Just to clarify....I'm talking about the self proclaimed "BREEDERS" who don't do proper health testing, breed mixed breeds and do not breed to standard...and cut corners...a.k.a. byb's....blah, blah, blah.....

THEY ARE MEMBERS AND KNOW BETTER...AND I keep HOPING they learn...but they don't....This bothers me even more than these "breeders"....

normarae63 08-21-2013 02:20 PM

Bleh...I timed out.

OP- I hope for your girl's sake, you can find a decent mentor or that your vet is able & willing to assist. PLEASE, learn all you can in the meantime, her life very well may depend on it.

Lorraine 08-21-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4300855)
Ya know what bothers me more? The couple of members here that breed for the same reasons...NO GOOD REASON and call themselves a breeder...Why, because they know better....but like this guy they choose not to listen....they put their pups in danger every freaking time they breed...

That's why I am so careful of where I sell my pups and be sure I know the prospective buyers purposes are for getting one. Unfortunately there are more than enough people out there just selling don't care who does what with their pup.

lynzy420 08-22-2013 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 4300915)
That's why I am so careful of where I sell my pups and be sure I know the prospective buyers purposes are for getting one. Unfortunately there are more than enough people out there just selling don't care who does what with their pup.

:thumbup:

intilis 08-22-2013 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4300855)
Ya know what bothers me more? The couple of members here that breed for the same reasons...NO GOOD REASON and call themselves a breeder...Why, because they know better....but like this guy they choose not to listen....they put their pups in danger every freaking time they breed...

Its too bad there is no way for newbies to know who to shy away from here. Ive been around for a few years & still don't know for sure! I only know of 2 I would buy from, and I'm only begining to suspect which regulars may be shady.

jaydoubledub 09-09-2013 06:27 PM

Hey folks, I'm not on to read the critics, but, to simply give an update to the ones who care...

Shy has been to the vet twice since I posted last. Her first visit was meant to get xrays, but, it turned out to be too soon. We got her some more blood work and it came back healthy. After another week and a half or so, we went back in at day 45 (two days ago) and poised the question to her vet again, "do you really think she's healthy enough to have the pups? Should we terminate and have her spayed?" She told me she is a healthy 6lbs and she has no reason as to why she shouldn't have them. She made me reminded me that smaller breeds tend to need cesareans, especially if there is not many pups and that Shy could be in the same boat. THEN she asked me what I wanted to do. I told her that I wanted her to be healthy, no matter what. Even if she thought we should terminate. I was told she should be fine and we took measures to make sure her cesarean (if needed) could be setup in a hurry as well as her spay after she delivers. We setup the "worst case scenario" prices and made arrangements accordingly. I have her an appointment this Sunday, for an xray, to find out how many she'll have. We've also made sure to get ready for her pups to be put on a wellness plan with spay/neuter.

Well, there you have it. She's doing well, giving lots of puppy kisses, still has some energy and takes the stairs with me to use the restroom (though I go slow and we take the elevator up instead of her climbing 3 flights). Mornings and returning from work are happy to see me. We also have a friend staying with us that will help if needed. I've put in for some leave during a couple weeks during/after her due date.

Hope all of your pups are doing well.

jaydoubledub 09-09-2013 06:36 PM

I noticed a couple comments above about selling the pups. I have no expectations of making a profit from Shy. I would rather give them away to a family that's loving, capable, and that I interview with a "warm and fuzzy" feeling afterwards than to make money from someone I haven't even met. No offense, I would not even sell one online to anyone on this site. I would really have to meet someone or have a way to confirm the person's personality. And I would not give away or sell a puppy without spaying/neutering.

jaydoubledub 09-09-2013 06:52 PM

Oh, and I meant day 43... today is day 45.

nanahas3 09-09-2013 06:56 PM

Thanks for the update. Praying Shy makes it through it all safely.

lovespandp 09-10-2013 12:37 PM

Thank you so much for the update. I’m glad to hear Shy is doing well. I will be sending prayers and good thoughts for her well being, as well as the puppies.


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