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Very untrue, but that's ok, I can take it- you can think all you want about me. I really don't care.

What I do care about is how you wanted to "knock up" your small under 5 pound female. It is one thing if it happened on accident.. but to plan it makes me sick. You know nothing about breeding, whelping, you have no medical background regarding the bitch or sire.

You have put your precious dog, one who sounds like she hasn't had the best upbringing in the worst case scenario. If this is something you wanted to do to her, you should have done all the things you are trying to do ahead of time. Prepared yourself, found a mentor, research, research and more research. As Donna has said you are extremely irresponsible. I not only feel sorry for you, I feel deeply sorry for Shy. I hope you wise up and figure out breeding is not something you can learn overnight… she will be having those puppies before you know it and you will still be unprepared.. I hope you do the right thing and find a vet you trust and have an emergency spay.

Do you really think this thread is about you? It's about the safety Shy and more importantly, the safety of other dogs whose owners might think its cute or fun to breed without doing their research first.

Just because you are irresponsible doesn't mean that other people have to be. You have zero credibility with what you say. First our dog was 3, then she's 2. Your roommates dog "got to her", then you say it's a planned breeding. You don't know your dogs lines, you haven't had proper health testing done (hint, it's not routine vet checks). You are irresponsible, ill prepared and above all dangerous to the health and well being of your dog.

There is a reason people should spay and neuter.

Finding a whelping coach is usually planned ahead of time;however I would ask my vet for a referral as u r a novice breeder.
Next I would check out any local dog clubs for their breeder members,someone might be willing to take this job on

Of course how I am used to seeing this done is the breeder who sold u Shy, would have made arrangements with you to oversee the whelp

Now if u have not seen Debbie Jensens whelping site it has lots of good info.

Also the breeding library here has some articles well worth the read

Plse get to know the signs of distress in Labour and have a backup emergency plan

Also consider what are your future obligations financial support knowledge etc to your future puppy owners.

I wish u both a safe whelp and healthy pups

[QUOTE=Rhetts_mama;4299849]He has been a member here since 2/2012. He has had plenty of time, and the resources available here at YT to do research on what goes in to breeding BEFORE he and his roommate got the bright idea to stick two dogs together.

That, IMO, makes what he is doing exceedingly irresponsible. You can't learn what you need to know about safely whelping on a website or by watching YouTube videos. You need a hands-on mentor who will be there with you during the whelp, and preferably had you assist with a whelping before your own dog does. There are so many things that can go wrong, before during and after a whelp, and it takes an experienced eye to know how to intervene or when an emergency vet is needed to prevent the loss of either a pup or the dam.The OP describes himself as being in the medical field. Hopefully he will realize that his training doesn't cover this. I would also hope he would realize that it's both offensive and trivializing to refer to breeding as "preggers" and "knocked up".[/QUOTE]
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When I first read the op's post, my initial thought was, "Here we go again....novices that have absolutely no experience or knowledge in the PROPER way to breed dogs, junping into the deep end of the pool, THEN realizing they cant swim, endangering their own life as well as anyone that may try to save them from thieir own mistake, and for what glorified purpose.... Then I distanced myself from the post because I was soooooo upset over the incident and the missed/ignored opportunities by this poster to get educated BEFORE he proceeded with such jouful abandon to "make his little lady happy" .....then there is my pet peeve of a "fuzzy and warm"feeling, glorifying the op's cause by addressing OTHER members posts, rather than addressing the poster, chastising and correcting how another member should be thinking/addressing the op.....but the thing that really was off setting to me was the crude way this unfortunate little lady was so "lovingly" referred to as perhaps being "preggers" and possibly "knocked up". I personally find those terms, used in ANY situation, as crude, rude, degrading, and offensive, when used by ANYONE....but when used by anyone with any experience in "medical field", this is IMO, totally unacceptable. Shy is NOT a "horedog" (purposelly misspelled to pass censorship), she is a little lady that has been put in an unfortunate position. But Rhetts-momma nailed exactly what I assumed I was the only one thinking.....

Here is the reality of breeding and yes just one litter on the way makes you a breeder.
Be prepared to take time off work within about a week of whelping which can happen 59-63 days after conception although can be early or late. Too early they are premature and increases the likelihood of losing the litter. There are still the ones that can be born dead for various reasons, you have to be ready to deal with that.
Someone has to be there during whelping and for about a week afterwards, perhaps longer if a new and especially inexperienced mom. Then there is what to do if one is a weakling how to get it nursing perhaps having to tube feed to help it then lose it anyway sometimes at 3, 7, 10 days of age.
At whelping, to know that all pups have been expelled and the placentas have come out. Does she need antibiotics? Most of the time they do a nd I always put them on for 7 days. I am lucky I have a knowledgable vet and always have them on hand. After whelping to be sure to watch for any complications on mom. You lose the mom you will be raising the puppies if they survive. That means 24 hour round the clock feeding of setting your alarm for every 60min to get up and feed and wiping bums etc to get them to potty.
Your responsibility continues through the weaning process as you have to feed and clean up after them. And watch for any health issues than can manifest now that they are no long supported by their moms system but their own kidney, heart liver etc. Sometimes things can go wrong you can lose a pup at weaning time or shortly after, hopefully before being sold so you deal with it not some brand new owner with their dear puppy. If that happens you reimburse the purchase price. You better have a contract outlining what you will cover as you could be liable for any vet fees they ran up in determining the problem. AS I read the posts on here, it came to light your bitch is fearful personality. Did you realize all her puppies likely will be. Attitude is very inheritable that’s a reason why breeders who know better would never keep one like that in a breeding program.
Then at 10 weeks first vaccs vet check. About 4 weeks later 2nd vaccs and vet check then they can go to a new home. Gee these are not out at the door at 8 weeks and you will be doing the cleaning up and care for them.
What about genetic diseases. Sire and dam can be carriers and not manifest a disease but their pups may. That’s one reason you need to know the pedigree, what dogs are in it and if anything has shown up in them or puppies produced. It is a tricky thing as carriers do not exhibit anything but pups can, sometimes a whole litter. One breeder I know of years ago produced a litter of 3 and 2 of the sibs came up with legge calves perthes. She was knowledgable about her line but it happened anyway. Such as it is in the breeding world..
I hope for your girls sake all goes well. Things can go terribly wrong even with a first litter. I have been doing this for about 18 years, have mentors, excellent Vets and let me tell you , no litter yet has been a walk in the park as I know what can go wrong, I know what has gone wrong.
Why do I do it? I have no idea it sure is NOT the money. I make nothing I don't break even I have to support us with my job I do. I have no vacations, income is chaotic as I chose to have my own business so I could take time off as needed. No paid holiday, no paid sick leave, no company pension plan no nothing. I am totally on my own with all that stuff.

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The problem is that many of us have seen this situation go bad or seen the pups from a situation like this be sick and or die. The ones of us who are saying it is best to spay her are doing so because of looking at the facts and the statistics of the situation and others. On this bored we have seen a lot and our experiences and what we have seen should be taken into consideration. I understand you might be joyful but there are many reasons not to and you need to look at the negatives too. This poor baby girl of yours has no voice so somebody has to try and be her voice. Its is not fun to be pregnant and it is painful to give birth and do you know how hard it is when a female looses all of the pups its terrible for them and very heartbreaking is this something you really want to put her through?

I think maybe you need to do a little more research about breeding about about how many things can go wrong. Accidents happen but how you handle them is what counts and this accident could be handled with an emergency spay. There was no one attacking him and people are giving him really good information to think about.

Within the limited bounds of an on line forum you have received lots of advice and help. And yes you have had many posts warning not only you but future readers of this thread a more responsible way of going through with the whole breeding idea

You will need for the best safety of your gal Shy hands on help

There are no shortcuts to responsible breeding and there is are real financial outlays

If you do not have butterflies of real concern for the life of your Shy then you simply do not know enough of what can go wrong

I have given you what advice I can despite knowing the regrettable circumstances of how Shy came to be bred

Great insight. It seems like a lot of people think having puppies is an 8 week commitment, and then it's over. If you breed a dog, you should be prepared to be responsible for that dog for life, if that's what it comes to...if the owners have to surrender it back for any reason, OR if the dog has health issues that are the result of bad breeding/genetics passed on down the line....it should be up to the breeder to take care of it. If ALL breeders did this, we wouldn't have a need for rescues.

Just recently, look what happened with a puppy Lady Jane had. A lady had to give up her puppy to a rescue because she couldn't afford the vet care for it. The breeders answer was just to throw her another dog and let someone else take care of the sick puppy...and Lady Jane and the rescue she works with, were left footing the vet bills and dealing with the heart ache. The breeder made the decision to bring the puppy into the world, it should have been up to the breeder to take care of it!! Not the new owner...and not the rescue!!

Whenever anyone wants to breed a dog, i feel like they should go volunteer at a shelter for a few days first. There are too many dogs out there that need a "pet" home....there are Yorkies of every age and size sitting in rescues all over the country. So breeding a dog just because you want puppies, or thinks she wants puppies, IMO isn't a good enough reason to justify adding to the pet population. If you have 1 puppy, that's one less home another homeless dog can have. It's a little too late to change things now...but hopefully the OP will consider getting his little girls spayed and the male dog neutered.

If you do decide to spay and terminate the pregnancy, I'd be happy to point you to some places to help get your mother a yorkie, since i know you planned on giving her a puppy. I just rescued one myself a few months ago and rescuing is such a GREAT feeling!!


More food for thought...MOST(if not ALL) responsible breeders require a spay and neuter contract. Why...because they want to protect their name, their line and their dogs. The fact that you and your roommate have both intact dogs make me wonder what kind of breeder you guy got your puppies from, where neither of them required that you spay or neuter your dogs. My guess is...if they didn't require a spay/neuter contract(like I hope you will with your puppies), they were not breeding responsibly...and they might have paired dogs that shouldn't have been paired and the problems could get passed down to your dogs puppies. Most breeders that have good lines want to protect their lines...the fact that someone doesn't care to protect it, makes me wonder why.

Thanks theporkieyorkie.

It just goes to show, because, you post a lot doesn't mean you know everything. I appreciate your insight and finesse in the matter. I never said I was set on her having pups. I said I wanted it. People assume I blindly went in to this. I have looked into it prior to leaving. To be honest, I thought her cycle had passed before I went away for a month. I was actually leaning toward not breeding her. Of course I still kind of wanted to breed her, in all honesty, but, the health issue was/is a concern.

Lorraine, you too have been very helpful. You have given more perspective that I can appreciate and learn from.

And again, no one has stepped up to help coach or mentor me. Sad, because there's a lot of bashing. I've seen a few posts with helpful comments and they're appreciated. Luckily, I still find the site more helpful than not. However, I will probably just read others' posts and not ask anything. It doesn't seem constructive to ask people about breeding, because, it becomes more of a headache than helpful. I always give the benefit of the doubt to most people. Some just are expected to be who they are though. Oh well...

Between Shy's vet and forums such as YT and others, I believe I'll be able to make the right call for my girl, one way or the other.

I suppose you didn't read the whole thing. Yes, over half are attacking.

Either way, you make a good point. Thanks for the words.

I'm confused as to why you think someone should step in to mentor or coach you when you haven't done your part. You've had all the information available to you for the past 18 months, yet you didn't bother to research or prepare. It doesn't give a mentor much confidence that you would follow through with doing what's right for Shy.

Again, not helpful.

You got yourself and Shy into this predicament, but it sounds like you are blaming people on this forum for not stepping up to the plate when they had nothing to do with your decision. The responsibility is ALL yours.

I'm not sure what you think anybody here should be doing for you. They told you about several resources for good information, but it is up to you to look it up, read, and study, they can't do that for you.

Further, an online mentor just won't cut it. You need someone to be right there, physically, when your girl whelps. Perhaps your vet can recommend someone that is experienced in the whelping of toy breeds, and hopefully that person will have a litter on the way and you can participate and learn firsthand. There are so many things that can go wrong, and you need someone right there that is experienced enough to recognize if there is a problem.

I would rather see an emergency spay in this situation, but if you are bound and determined to put Shy through this you've got a lot of work ahead of you. You need to start studying NOW. You need to find a local mentor NOW. You need to start putting aside emergency and/or c-section funds NOW. You need to completely clear your schedule for her due date NOW. You need to get serious about this, because this isn't all lollipops and rainbows, this could end up a tragedy and Shy and her pups are depending on YOU (not the people on this forum).

But truthful.

A mentor is a reputable breeder in your area you can come to your house when Shy is whelping so you will need some one in your area. You can go to ytca.org and look for breeders in your area then call each one and explain the situation and help needed.

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Let's see...You've been a member of this forum for a couple years & the only posts you've made have been asking for help. Well that is "NOT HELPFUL"!! Seems like you have expectations of members only helping you, & you won't accept other comments. You have not posted once in 2 years with any helpful advice or compliments for other members. Am I wrong?
I do feel so badly for poor Shy. I hope you do what's best for her.

Very nicely said.

I want to say hello and welcome to YT. I just want to let you know that this group is one of the more active dog forums. Our group is a large, passionate, group that has a lot of love for the Yorkie. Please understand, some have been here for years. We have seen people come in with various and some deadly issues that these poor Yorkies have gone through. We have seen puppies and even their mothers die in birth. We have experienced the result of untested ties, with many of hereditary issues. Many have purchased or even rescued pups that 2-3 years or more down the line that has had major issues. That is why we promote getting a pup from a reputable breeder and always spay and neuter.

I am not here to bash you or put you down. We are here just to educate. Sometimes our emotions get the better and we get more passionate. Also understand that you need to find a mentor in your area. A reputable breeder that can help you. A lot of members here are not breeders or not in your area.
Thanks

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Here is what I feel. You think you should get offers of free help for whelping?

Get real here! Would you ask an accountant for free tax advice or a lawyer?

You and only you made this decision

It is now your responsibility to do the best for your gal!

As a breeder I will select those folks I want to mentor this is a huge responsibility. For the breeder and a longterm commitment


There are. Quid pro quos. With mentoring. Not so much with whelping coaches. That is usually a pure financial contract

I would advise you, STRICTLY for the safety of Shy, to get close and personal with your vet....hopefully, ytour vet has experience with small dogs, especially Yorkies, as small dogs/Yorkies have entirely different sets of complicated care issues. I advise you to get an ultra sound at 4 weeks following the breeding....hopefully, again, your vet is proficient at reading US, and can verify if your girl is pregnant. If she is NOT, I suggest you have her spayed. If she is, I would also suggest an emergency spay, but if you have an aversion to that, you will need to support this pregnancy with proper nutrition for your lady. I advise Royal Canin HT 42d, free fed until her 42nd day of pregnancy. I advise you to get on line and find the subbsequent formulas you need to feed her, thru whelping, and until the babies are weaned. I advise you to take this lady for an xray on day 58 of her pregnancy...that will clearly tell you how many babies she is carrying and you will be able to use calipers to measure heads and pelvic ring ratios. If it looks like Shy will not be able to pass these babies, make arrangerments for a c-section, BEFORE you get into trouble and it becomes an emergency. Then, I strongly suggest you either make arrangements with a knowledgable vet tech or a person you can contact that has extensive experience whelping Yorkies, to come when you call as Shy goes into labor. I would advise you to leave Shy with your vet in attendance, 24/7, so the vet will be present during the whelp. As a member of this forum for the length of time that you have been, I advise you to start thoroughly combing thru all the stickies in the breeder section and absorb everything you have not absorbed in the time you have already been a member, in the next two months....there are TONS of posts about supplies you will need, what you need to know to raise puppies, formulas, instructions on tube feedings, etc, etc, etc. NOW, go forth and invest YOUR time and effort and get a grasp on what is facing you and how to handle it.....and STOP responding that no one has done anything to help you! You have had many, many, many people take the time to try to direct you....you can NOT get this knowledge from us thru osmosis....get busy, your little lady is running out of time..................

Nice advice!

There you have it, My favorite Keyboard Warrior has spoken...we all want what is best for your pup...we actually care little about you right now but definitely we care about your pup:D

That is some solid advice from Yorkiemom1!!

If it were me, I would definitely find a breeder/mentor in the area. Even if it's not a "yorkie" breeder, it's better than going through the whelping alone.

I am wondering if it's possible to set up a c-section/spay at the same time?!? Not sure if a c-section is more stressful on the pups or the bitch if it's planned....but it may be an option to make sure there are no birthing complications and it will prevent further pregnancies. If the OP is going to go through and have the puppies and then spay her afterwards anyways, it would save her from the danger of having to go under anesthesia twice...maybe something to ask the vet about?!?

I'd also urge the OP to talk to his roommate about neutering the little male...for a few reasons. Generally, neutered males make better pets because they don't have massive amounts of testosterone running through their body that cause them to misbehave...and also because there are more health risks when you leave a male in tact.

~~My friend just neutered his male that we adopted 2 weeks ago from the shelter and we are hoping he will stop getting friendly will pillows, peoples legs and everything else he finds attractive...and we are hoping he will settle down when he sees other dogs as well. I know to a lot of guys, it seems cruel...like you're taking their manhood away or something, but being neutered is truly better for the dog all around.