Nancy, this may sound strange coming from me but I love you! Great post! Best post! Awesome post! You rock!

the original topic was awnsered 7 pages back. This could go on for years. Just like politics, its in our genes. Even more so in a mans. everyone has a right to there own option. I just chose to voice mine.
Research and history shows that there where two types of yorkies and to classes in the AKC shows. This information is even on AKC's website. We can only assume is was converted into one based on popularity. Must not be to much into preserving the breed are they?
let's back track for a moment.
It started with LovetoDream88 post #11. It went something along the lines of, no yorkie should be bred that does not follow standards.
This created a topic that got way off track. I disagree with that very much. History shows that large yorkies where the most common ages ago. They came from the waterside that was not a small dog. The point i was making was breeders should not breed within those standers because there are larger yorkies. If breeders keep doing that then the genes of the larger yorkies will despite.
I used the analogy if we have a 7 pound yorkie and we breed it with a 5 pound yorkie then chances are we have smaller dogs then larger dogs. Now do this a 100 times.
Post 11 and other posts states that any larger dog should be fixed. Using the above analogy will kill off the larger breed thus only creating smaller dogs over time.
This went on for awhile. Then it shifted to how breeders are tring to better the breed and preserve it. Correct me if i am wrong but does the analogy above hurting it?
Let's take another step back. AKC means what? What do they do? they put on dog shows and track dogs for the best breed. I get that but what are they really? A panel of ppl who thrive on dog shows and popularity so the standards are wrote that a dog must meet the following requirements to be part of the show thus giving us the term show dog. I undersand this is what most want so breeders try to give that. supply and demand but if you look on the backend with the above analogy, what happens? So what you are saying is there are two types of breeders. Breeders who just in it for the money so they try to get every puppy in the standards and breeders that love the yorkie and breeds based on prue even if the female was 9 pounds. She wants a health breed. Post number 20 states its a template.
What all that being said I used research to show why we should not breed with the standards.
1. The loss of larger yorkies
2. Research shows the smaller you make the dog the more health problems it will have.
Lets go back to the first analogy. We learn that if we keep on the same path then the yorkie does not improve but keeps getting smaller and with popularity (teacup, micro min) this kills number 1 and number 2 goes up.
Just for time i am going to jump ahead some. The topic moved over to genes. This is my field.
If it looks like a duck and quicks like a duck then it must be a duck. I made that statement and i should not have. That may not be true but in the context i used it in worked for what i was trying to say. Lets look at the roots of a yorkie. They came from skyes who had long hard straight hair also watersides who's color converted over to the yorkie but they had curly hair. There where also a few other breeds but that is unknown.
Genetics, good ol genetics. I am not going to go too deep into this. I will be here for hours.
Lets just say this, Your mom had twins and your one of them. Does that mean you are going to have twins? No, it dont. Will your sister have twins? No. Well, we are going to say no. She could based on the DNA strains attached to F2 along the bottom seg within the sapiens gene pool.
Any event, the traits will always carry forward. This is why i said if its prue then its pure. Why shouldnt you? If you love the breed its for big or small no matter how they look. I got news for you. They all didnt look great back then. how else do you get other types of yorkies that become AKC and so on? Genes work in crazy ways and some will stay dormant for thousands of years. You comment of it wont look like a yorkie. Yea it will. You can breed out a gene if it goes to far. Those with big heads, guess what gene that came from now we know that yorkies carry the traits of a waterside if its prue. No, im not saying go screw up the lines. keep it pure!
Stop looking at whats on tv and whats in front of you. Look at the past and how stuff carrys over. So, What you think a yorkie should like like (seen on tv) may not always old true. A yorkie is a yorkie. yes, even the one with the big head if its pure and thats how genes work. Remember, your making the yorkie look like this.
This all goes back to standards and how common breeders mis take them without looking at the roots.
This is a augment that is going to go on for years but the main point was. Some disagree, you should not breed in those standards some says you do. The end will be the lost of what we know today and what has already been lost.
Its all true, look it up. do the research. lets not look at what we have today but where they came from. I can almost say a yorkie 500 years ago was not as small as they are today. they where made like that. If everyone went back to basics maybe they would not have as many health problems and we would have new types of yorkies because of evolution and not us.
point in hand, we would not have any red heads if the world say we cant mate anymore.

I can care less about AKC, its about the breed

Yes it started with lovestodream's opinion and ended with yours and input from many others! This turned in to a great thread, something for both sides! Thank you Nancy And Achonis! Very interesting points on all sides, love this!

i love a good debate:-) it did turn out to be a good one.

Off topic but....welcome back Lynzy!!

Ok stepping away from the size for minute I would like to ask a few other questions. Do you know your yorkies lines? Have you done genetic testing on her and health testing? Has she been checked for LP? How old is she?

The original question has been answered. I see what you're saying. By the long post that has been made I think that is an indication that this thread is done.

Lets leave it be. Yes I know her lines, health and genetics.

No Molly's Dad, you HAVE to answer all of our questions!!!! :rolleyes:

I wonder if that works for dogs too.

No Molly! You have to tell me everything you did wrong today LOL
-small joke.

Lol!! I'll tell ya what Pnut would do.. He would turn around and hit ME with the newspaper!!

Don't make me get the light :D

Ok kind curious if you had her tested and stuff that means you already did research to know you needed it and you already talked to your vet about it so what made you ask own a message board? Don't bash me just an honest question I was wondering.

When you asked "Do you know her lines," I assume you mean that question to mean what a responsible breeder does when choosing a beading dog, you check back 4 or 5 generation on both sides and check out the lines to make sure there are no genetic illnesses. This is done by doing an extensive pedigree search and is no easy task. I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't understand that this is what you mean, and I doubt if he knows how to do it. Most pet owners think it means the dog's mother was registered and the dog was a purebred. Same with your other questions, most pet owners don't know what types of genetic testing to do on their dogs before they breed. Many genetic illnesses don't show up before the age of 2 and people are breeding the dogs by then, so these genetic tests are important, but you have to educate yourself to know what tests to do. Most vets will not even suggest this and when you ask the average vet, "is it okay to breed her", he’ll only check to see if she has the normal equipment necessary to breed, ie. a uterus.

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