Kennels

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I've been to breeders and breeder/show facilities that actually housed their dogs in kennels when they weren't out being trained, exercise/play time, groomed, affection time, shown, etc. Some of them even had the words kennel or kennels in the title of the business. I imagine facilities like that still exist all over. Pretty grim life for those animals.

How could someone who "shows" her dogs, not spend time training, grooming etc? I understand that many breeders who show say that they don't believe a "pet" dog shows well, and you should treat a show dog differently, and in fact that's the mistake many newbies to showing make, but show dogs really can and do enjoy their lives every bit as much as pet dogs.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Most I visited that had that kind of set-up said the dogs live in the kennels except for those times I mentioned when I asked about how they lived - they weren't ashamed of it at all. They simply said they couldn't treat all of their dogs as pets. Others, you could just tell that the dogs live there as no could rotate that many dogs into a family situation with any meaning much to the dog's life on a daily basis. And the owners had a separate house and pet dogs that had the run of it seemingly as they were running alongside and would come to sit by or near the owner once back in the house, some with toys or bedding nearby. There weren't any people around working with the kenneled dogs when I was on site on weekends or nights and the dogs were in the kennels mostly jumping at the fences, barking, howling. These dogs weren't being trained or housed as service dogs - these people showed or bred dogs from very clean facilities and with all of the niceties except the life of a pet. It didn't look like much of a life.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Most I visited that had that kind of set-up said the dogs live in the kennels except for those times I mentioned when I asked about how they lived - they weren't ashamed of it at all. They simply said they couldn't treat all of their dogs as pets. Others, you could just tell that the dogs live there as no could rotate that many dogs into a family situation with any meaning much to the dog's life on a daily basis. And the owners had a separate house and pet dogs that had the run of it seemingly as they were running alongside and would come to sit by or near the owner once back in the house, some with toys or bedding nearby. There weren't any people around working with the kenneled dogs when I was on site on weekends or nights and the dogs were in the kennels mostly jumping at the fences, barking, howling. These dogs weren't being trained or housed as service dogs - these people showed or bred dogs from very clean facilities and with all of the niceties except the life of a pet. It didn't look like much of a life.

I can't speak to that type of situation, it may not be ideal, but it's not inhumane either. From my understanding dogs raised in a restricted type of environment, aren't really unhappy, they don’t know any difference and live in the moment. However taking a pet who has been use to the freedom and placing it in a restrictive environment can be very upsetting. It reminds me of the old song, How 'Ya Gonna Keep 'Em Down on the Farm? (After They've Seen Paree). I just don't want people to think commercial facilities or places with Kennel in the name are the same as a puppy mill. While the bigger type of facilities may not be the best situation, the atrocities of puppy mills must be our primary concern.

[gemy]

Okay as a breeder a topic near and dear to my heart. And let me say outright that this is just my personal opinion and does not represent any breed club I am a member of or AKC or CKC.... so have I set enough qualifiers....

First the word Kennel affixed to a breeder I don`t know, would give me some pause.

Then I would ascertain exactly what type of dogs they are setting out into an òutside kennel if indeed they were.

Quite frankly for all toy breeds and some working breeds and some hunting breeds, I would say outside kennels are far from the best.

These breeds truly do need inside socialization. That kind of can happen as a matter of life in the house. Of course coupled with neuro-stimulation, planned socialization, leash training, grooming experience et al.

What happens in a homeÉ Well the vaccum cleaner goes, the coffee grinder, maybe a smoke alarm, toilets flush, showers go, phones ring, doorbell goes. Food is prepped (and all dogs love food prep) ppl walk up and down stairs. Humans laugh, love, and just interact with one another. Hey guess what that is the life of a `pet`puppy who will be sold into a home.

And even if you are a show breeder, most of your litter will go to pet homes. So all puppies IMO should be exposed to what a home is. And quite frankly they can`t get that from outside kennels; even if you set aside an hour or three a day to socialize into the home.

[carmen in nj]

Originally Posted by gemy

Okay as a breeder a topic near and dear to my heart. And let me say outright that this is just my personal opinion and does not represent any breed club I am a member of or AKC or CKC.... so have I set enough qualifiers....

First the word Kennel affixed to a breeder I don`t know, would give me some pause.

Then I would ascertain exactly what type of dogs they are setting out into an òutside kennel if indeed they were.

Quite frankly for all toy breeds and some working breeds and some hunting breeds, I would say outside kennels are far from the best.

These breeds truly do need inside socialization. That kind of can happen as a matter of life in the house. Of course coupled with neuro-stimulation, planned socialization, leash training, grooming experience et al.

What happens in a homeÉ Well the vaccum cleaner goes, the coffee grinder, maybe a smoke alarm, toilets flush, showers go, phones ring, doorbell goes. Food is prepped (and all dogs love food prep) ppl walk up and down stairs. Humans laugh, love, and just interact with one another. Hey guess what that is the life of a `pet`puppy who will be sold into a home.

And even if you are a show breeder, most of your litter will go to pet homes. So all puppies IMO should be exposed to what a home is. And quite frankly they can`t get that from outside kennels; even if you set aside an hour or three a day to socialize into the home.

yes, what she said...LOL
hugs,
Carmen in nj

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

I use the word "kennel" all the time when talking about my dogs collectively. I also have an area of my house that's specifically set up as living quaters for them that I refer to as "the kennel."
No, it's not some cold outbuilding either. It has small dog-sized furniture, kitchenette, dog beds with clean balnkets every day, classical music, TV and a piano for me, since I am a pianist. The kennel also contains my office area and a small den where we can cuddle up on the sofa, and where I often choose to spend the night with my babies.
In my world, "kennel" stands for good things.

I know where I'm staying when I come to NH! I wish all Kennels were like yours.

[lynzy420]

Wow you guys are awesome, this was the info I really needed for my own mental book of knowledge. I want to broaden my perception of the word...see it from all angles, you've helped me.

Recently a BYB situation and the couple were claiming that Kennel was a standard breeders name for good breeders in the business that it was a coveted title...um, ok, I've not heard that before! Anyway eventually, we did find the disgusting kennels on his property far away from the main house.....and so it goes on, and on, and on....

Thanks again I really, really, really appreciate this information!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

How could someone who "shows" her dogs, not spend time training, grooming etc? I understand that many breeders who show say that they don't believe a "pet" dog shows well, and you should treat a show dog differently, and in fact that's the mistake many newbies to showing make, but show dogs really can and do enjoy their lives every bit as much as pet dogs.

Well, you know the old working/hunting dog theory that a kenneled dog is one that LIVES to get outside that cage and please the devil out of its person to the max so it won't have to go back in that cage. They claim it makes them twice as alert and far more likely to stay attentive and eager to obey when they are taken out to work.

[concretegurl]

...because if they didn't say kennel we wouldn't know what type of business it was...I don't put too much enphasis on wording that's common terminology (adjatives) unless it's "hobby breeding" or "dog farm"

I know when I was little my grandpa told ne about his Old English Bulldog...who was "official" he came from a kennel...it was said in a way to establish not just status but a status of competence.

To me the word kennel is fine, it just is a descriptive term and doesn't totally imply a barn out back with dogs in cages...although I will admit with modern trends of personalizing animal relationships and theur status as family members more so than family pet I can see how with that change the term may become obsolete or a future negative terminology.

Just my take on it.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

How could someone who "shows" her dogs, not spend time training, grooming etc? I understand that many breeders who show say that they don't believe a "pet" dog shows well, and you should treat a show dog differently, and in fact that's the mistake many newbies to showing make, but show dogs really can and do enjoy their lives every bit as much as pet dogs.

Houston SPCA's largest seizure was of an AKC show breeder couple and their show digs and co-owned dogs...the majority of the dogs were released to the co-owners...the dogs were covered in mattes, more like filthy dred locks and left unsocialized and caged in rvs all over their 'ranch'... obviously this is NOT the norm, rare but it happens.

I think they showed cockers...and 2 other breeds.

I believe rhe tip to the SPCA actually came from an AKC official who was doing the certification inspection of the 'kennel'dogs and noticed all yhe rv's about...all dogs were debarked, I think I read the inspector noted a foul smell of fecies and urine from the rvs

[nanahas3]

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Originally Posted by concretegurl

Houston SPCA's largest seizure was of an AKC show breeder couple and their show digs and co-owned dogs...the majority of the dogs were released to the co-owners...the dogs were covered in mattes, more like filthy dred locks and left unsocialized and caged in rvs all over their 'ranch'... obviously this is NOT the norm, rare but it happens.

I think they showed cockers...and 2 other breeds.

I believe rhe tip to the SPCA actually came from an AKC official who was doing the certification inspection of the 'kennel'dogs and noticed all yhe rv's about...all dogs were debarked, I think I read the inspector noted a foul smell of fecies and urine from the rvs

[Mistymillar]

A Kennel is a dog house, dog home, associated with dogs. The AKC American Kennel Club is called that because it is associated with dogs like a stable is associated with horses. The word crate has only become popular very recently in UK as most people here would call any covered area that belongs to a dog a kennel. Boarding kennels, breeding kennels.


Kennel
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This article is about shelter for dogs. For other uses, see Kennel (disambiguation).


A kennel is a structure or shelter for dogs. A kennel is a doghouse, run, or other small structure in which a dog is kept. American English often uses the word "doghouse" in this context; in British English the term "kennel" is preferred. Used in the plural, the kennels, the term means any building, collection of buildings or a property in which dogs are housed, maintained, and bred.
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1 Breeding kennels
2 Boarding kennels
3 See also
4 External links
5 References
[edit]Breeding kennels

This is a formal establishment for the propagation of purebred dogs, whether or not the animals are actually housed in a separate shed, the garage, a state-of-the-art facility, or the family dwelling. Breeding kennels are heavily regulated and must follow rules laid down by the breed club, the kennel council, and relevant legislation.
A kennel name or kennel prefix is a name associated with each breeding kennel: it is the first part of the registered name of a pedigreed dog which was bred there.
[edit]Boarding kennels

This is a place where dogs are housed temporarily for a fee, an alternative to using a pet sitter. Although many people worry about the stress placed on the animal by being put in an unfamiliar and most likely crowded environment, the majority of boarding kennels work to reduce stress.[citation needed] Many kennels offer one-on-one "play times" in order to get the animal out of the kennel environment. Familiar objects, such as blankets and toys from home, are also permitted at many kennels. Similarly, many kennels nowadays also offer grooming and training services in addition to boarding, with the idea being that the kennel can be the owner's "one-stop shop" for all three services.[citation needed] In the United States the term boarding kennel is also used to refer to boarding catteries and licensing agencies do not always differentiate between commercial boarding kennels for dogs and other animal or cat boarding kennels. It is estimated that in 2008 people in the US will spend $3.29 billion on boarding and grooming services. In 2007 actual market surveys showed that $3.0 billion was spent on these services. Annual kennel boarding expenses for dog owners was $225, and for cat owners was $149 according to a 2007-2008 survey.

[Teresiana]

I would say that I am the "average joe yorkie owner". I didn't know what a kennel situation was until I started researching breeders & asking for referrals/recommendations. I would think that to the average person looking for a Yorkie, "So-and-So Kennel" would sound more "official" or "legit".

Until someone really understands the different philosophies of breeders, I don't think that the word "kennel" is necessarily a negative. The breeder I'm working with now has a beautiful "day kennel" in her home. It isn't a "kennel" in the traditional sense. But she calls it a "kennel" because that's where the pups hang out.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Houston SPCA's largest seizure was of an AKC show breeder couple and their show digs and co-owned dogs...the majority of the dogs were released to the co-owners...the dogs were covered in mattes, more like filthy dred locks and left unsocialized and caged in rvs all over their 'ranch'... obviously this is NOT the norm, rare but it happens.

I think they showed cockers...and 2 other breeds.

I believe rhe tip to the SPCA actually came from an AKC official who was doing the certification inspection of the 'kennel'dogs and noticed all yhe rv's about...all dogs were debarked, I think I read the inspector noted a foul smell of fecies and urine from the rvs

How horrible, I've heard that the AKC has gotten rid of many of this type of breeder, but they just go to other registries. The worst puppy mills, in my opinion, are the ones that sell over the internet and call themselves small independent breeders. They act like they raise the dogs in their home, and are just a mom and pop organization, yet they are huge puppy mills. These places have no inspections and no one every complains about them because no one ever sees them. So that's why I always say visit the breeder in person!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Making exception for certain service and working dogs, many of us hope for a day when each dog is housed and lives daily as a beloved member of the family and not just kept as a piece of property in a separate location, waiting for the time he's wanted or needed by his owner.