pregnant yorkie

[concretegurl]

I had a spay abortion preformed on my mini schnauzer impregnated by my yorkie.

Schnorkies are my favorite, my first dog here is a schnorkie.

Responsibility is not just nit intentionally harming but preventibg further harm...what if she has 6 or 8the pups, c-section...then whelping, then finding homes, not to mention risking her life and for what...because someone didn't shut a door and a (oxymoronic) view of "pro-life" and human emotiins, beliefs and morals are imposed on a dog?

Be responsible to her, and the possible pups, take her to vet for a spay/abortion.

FIY vets SHOULD NOT spay immediately after heat-possible impregnation or not, their governing board reccomends a minimum 10 days after heat before a spay...so it will possibly be a spay/abortion.

[concretegurl]

I say it is an oxymoron on the premise ask any experienced responsible breeder: they will be honest and tell you everytime even with previously bred females in optimum matched matings they are risking their bitch's life.

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

I got a message that you are looking for help, if you do, I pm you, and posted a link to a great site on your other message. Hope to hear from s,you..
hugs,

Carman is a very sweet women and is always willing to help anyone in your situation. You should take her up on her offer !

The comments from the breeders above also need to be taken into consideration when it comes to doing what is best for your pup. You have to ask yourself are you totally prepared both financially and mentally if anything should go wrong?

You should do some major research plus ask your vets advise and make an informed decision on whether to abort the pregnancy.

I to would love to help you out if you choose to take the litter full term. You are more than welcome to PM me. I dont have as much experience as most but what I didn't know I learned from those who do have the experience here on YT.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I say it is an oxymoron on the premise ask any experienced responsible breeder: they will be honest and tell you everytime even with previously bred females in optimum matched matings they are risking their bitch's life.

And THAT causes me sooo much anxiety....each time I breed, I almost regret doing it, because I would die if I ever lost one of my darling ladies, trying to survive a situation I deliberately put her in. When I first started doing this, my mentor told me to ask myself, EVERYTIME I bred a female, for as long as I continued to breed dogs, "....is THIS the litter that is worth her life?". .

[gemy]

What can I say beyond what Yorkie Mom1 has so evocatively put.

Please think long and hard, about your bitches' health, your capacity and ability to see this girl through a whelping and raising this litter.

You are and any-one is risking the gal's life when you decide to breed. And yes I get it, that somehow this was an accidental breeding. That is no excuse not to think long and very hard about the situation.

Such a shame that you are and your gal in this situation

[Ellie May]

Just wanted to say yes, there are risks with breeding. Yes, it is not a bad choice to spay. Yes, no testing was done, etc. which is not optimal. But if you don't want to abort, don't! This isn't a three pound dog or bred for the first time at this age or... Yes, you are risking her life (actuallybthere is even a slight risk of that with spaying), but find a great vet, follow their advice, set aside money for a possible c-section, know what to watch for, etc. Personally in this situation I'd let my dog have the puppies.

I know this won't be popular, but as long as you are doing what a vet is telling you to do and these pups don't end up in shelters then do what you think is right.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Totally agree with Yorkiemom1 and gemy. I lost my beautiful female Doberman best friend from an ill-advised breeding years and years ago when I was young. One dog was stillborn and we lost others at 2 days old, then Cobra died at the vet's on the 3rd day after delivery. I would give almost anything not to have bred her once she got ill from milk poisoning/bad milk on the 2nd day after whelping. The vet worked nonstop to support and save her but it was too late for her.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by awesomeaimee2

And that being so, we all have opinions in it. Im going to be providing the care that she needs. I will be reading up on this. I refuse to spay her, how would you feel if you were pregnant and someone decided to abort your kid? I understand where you're coming from, I truly do. You're looking out for her well being but so am I. Ill make sure she has everything she needs.

I think you've received some great advice here, on several sides. Just to share a little bit about me...my bach degree is in nursing - I've watched people die, I've seen horrendous cycle/car accidents in the ER, I've done mouth to mouth, Heimlich, all kinds of cardiac stuff, given shots / IVs, exams, cleaned the most disgusting wounds ever, I've watched about 8 human births - both regular and C section, I've participated in transplants, I've helped people during in-flight emergencies when I'm flying and no doc is on board.....I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.

Yet, even with some fairly meaningful health/crisis experience - you could not pay me enough to risk whelping a precious fur creature. I'd be scared out of my mind. Yes, birth is natural and blah blee...but so are stillbirths, wrapped umbilical cords, breech births, hemorrhaging, newborn puppies who aren't breathing...and on and on. Births (human or otherwise) are no small thing. In my opinion, human births should be left to experts (docs, midwives, NPs) and doggy births should be left to the experts (experienced breeders, or inexperienced breeders who have 24hr access to both a proven breeder-mentor and a vet).

I know you want to protect her, I *so* hear that. But please know that the worst could actually happen, bc we've seen it here so many times w/ inexperienced breeders...this is why some people are advising against it. If you choose to spay, you'd still be protecting her - so that's a kind and loving and very protective choice too .

I think what also comes to mind for some of us is the risk for the puppies. In an ideal world, you'd find the most perfect homes for them and it'd be happily ever after. In reality, we put 3-4 MILLION animals to sleep every year in the US; we put 6-8 MILLION in shelters every year; 75% of shelter dogs are mixed breeds. Important facts to think about when bringing precious creatures into this world.

Alllllll that said, I do also agree with EllieMay in terms of - if you're determined to go ahead w/ the pregnancy, there are ways it can be done...but if you go that way, you have a colossal amount of preparing and learning to do. Not to mention saving that 2k for the realistic possibility of a C section.

If it were me, I'd spay my precious girl and let her get on with living a spoiled, easy life...I'd spare her body the pregnancy.

Please keep us posted . Also, please try to understand why people sometimes get upset here over pregnancies -- it's not *you* personally, it's the big picture. However, you should be treated with respect and understanding .

[rilysmom]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I think you've received some great advice here, on several sides. Just to share a little bit about me...my bach degree is in nursing - I've watched people die, I've seen horrendous cycle/car accidents in the ER, I've done mouth to mouth, Heimlich, all kinds of cardiac stuff, given shots / IVs, exams, cleaned the most disgusting wounds ever, I've watched about 8 human births - both regular and C section, I've participated in transplants, I've helped people during in-flight emergencies when I'm flying and no doc is on board.....I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.

Yet, even with some fairly meaningful health/crisis experience - you could not pay me enough to risk whelping a precious fur creature. I'd be scared out of my mind. Yes, birth is natural and blah blee...but so are stillbirths, wrapped umbilical cords, breech births, hemorrhaging, newborn puppies who aren't breathing...and on and on. Births (human or otherwise) are no small thing. In my opinion, human births should be left to experts (docs, midwives, NPs) and doggy births should be left to the experts (experienced breeders, or inexperienced breeders who have 24hr access to both a proven breeder-mentor and a vet).

I know you want to protect her, I *so* hear that. But please know that the worst could actually happen, bc we've seen it here so many times w/ inexperienced breeders...this is why some people are advising against it. If you choose to spay, you'd still be protecting her - so that's a kind and loving and very protective choice too .

I think what also comes to mind for some of us is the risk for the puppies. In an ideal world, you'd find the most perfect homes for them and it'd be happily ever after. In reality, we put 3-4 MILLION animals to sleep every year in the US; we put 6-8 MILLION in shelters every year; 75% of shelter dogs are mixed breeds. Important facts to think about when bringing precious creatures into this world.

Alllllll that said, I do also agree with EllieMay in terms of - if you're determined to go ahead w/ the pregnancy, there are ways it can be done...but if you go that way, you have a colossal amount of preparing and learning to do. Not to mention saving that 2k for the realistic possibility of a C section.

If it were me, I'd spay my precious girl and let her get on with living a spoiled, easy life...I'd spare her body the pregnancy.

Please keep us posted . Also, please try to understand why people sometimes get upset here over pregnancies -- it's not *you* personally, it's the big picture. However, you should be treated with respect and understanding .

[gemy]

Originally Posted by awesomeaimee2

And that being so, we all have opinions in it. Im going to be providing the care that she needs. I will be reading up on this. I refuse to spay her, how would you feel if you were pregnant and someone decided to abort your kid? I understand where you're coming from, I truly do. You're looking out for her well being but so am I. Ill make sure she has everything she needs.

You are the owner, it is your choice to spay or not. Reading is just not enough at 60 odd days away from a whelping.

Please try to find a whelping toy breed coach, who can advise you in person, and help you with the whelp. Of course you should offer to pay him/her for their time. After all this is a choice you have made for your bitch, and you did say you want the best for her, and are willing to pay what-ever it takes to get that. You simply have no idea how to recognize distress in the whelping process, and you tube videos just don't cut it at 3 am in the morning if your bitch goes into labour.

You do not have to run too far to hear whelping horror stories - and yes from experienced breeders too. It is devastating to find 3 pups born with their intestines on the outside and not the inside.

You think it could not happen to you? WHy? Things like this and more happen rarely but often enough, we have all had our brushes with problems during birth, during puppy rearing, et al.

So real story and not with a TOY BREED but a Large Breed female. Third litter, everything went well on first two litters. Now it is a Friday night.

The call comes to me at 11:45 pm Launa is in distress, whelped 7 puppies fine. Is having problems with the next puppy. Another friend is called. I live the farthest away. I say I am coming. I get there in 30 minutes - I break all speed limits to do this. Ilona is there with my friend, now it is 45 minutes in hard labour no pup. I have the smallest hands...this pup is breech. Maria has to go to vet. Ilona goes with her and the pregnant bitch. My task? Just keep 7 puppies alive until breeder and Mom returns. Maria has all supplies laid in, I know how to tube feed, and to dropper feed. But still I sweated buckets until Momma and Maria got home. I changed heat lamp around, I did two feedings until Momma and Maria and Ilona got home. Sadly she lost the last two pups in the litter. The breech birth was a "still" birth, and because it couldn't exit the other pup died in birth canal. Oh yes she also had an Emergency Spay. Cost for medical was $2.5K.

So this is one reason there are breeder groups. We help each other out. And this is a very experienced breeder who recognized in her bitch early signs of labour distress. Can YOU do this? And of course knew there was two more puppies to go because of Xrays taken at the appropriate time.

Analogies to human pregnancies are only in the most broadly based of terms applicable to dogs. Humans for the most part choose to get pregnant, and will as it is their "intelligent choice" have done what ever genetic testing ahead of time; to get some idea of their health, and the health of their children. YOUR DOG did NOT CHOOSE to get pregnant. You have no idea of her health status, and what is in her health background.

You have no experience, at this point no whelping coach, and no reproduction vet. Trust me most general vets know nothing about whelping a litter. After all we spay/neuter at least most responsible owners do our pets.

Good luck with your decision. And good luck for the health of Mom and Pups.