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[Suncera]

As far as the CKC, AKC, UKC, are any other registry, I'm still researching that and getting mixed opinions on them, to much political matters in that, I guest each of its own, Something happened way before I got an interest in researching the difference, but to each it's on. As far as letting puppies go to their new homes at ages before 12 weeks, I've found out as well that it's not good for the puppy being that he/she is still bonding with siblings, in which in the past I have too purchased puppies that were of the age of 6 weeks, luckily I had younger dogs that he had to bound with. But from now I do understand and have witnessed the difference. As far as me telling someone else about the AKC, CKC differences, I am not one to judge, I don't have that right. I do know that their are some top breeders that have received puppies from other top breeders that have registered their dog in both registries and this has been going on long before me and probably will continue. I am still trying to figure out why and what's the beef between all of the different registry and why couldn't there be just one? So that I can pass along to my clients the difference and importance between them all. I actually thought that the UKC was the top of them all, like I say I'm still researching and learning.

[lynzy420]

Shouldn't these questions be asked in the breeding section? I'm not really here to educate or be educated about breeding, can this thread be moved?

[chachi]

I think AKC is best best because it is the only one that doesnt register mixes just pure bred so if you buy an AKC dog you can be assured its not a mix

[Suncera]

That's what AKC, board said and still waiting on UKC's call back, and yes this would be another discussing somewhere else, but since it was brought up, I wanted to read others thoughts and opinions that's all.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Suncera

That's what AKC, board said and still waiting on UKC's call back, and yes this would be another discussing somewhere else, but since it was brought up, I wanted to read others thoughts and opinions that's all.

I think the Canadian Kennel clubis the same but not absolutely certain. The are not the same as the CKC here in the US they are continental kennel club and they do register mixes

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Suncera

As far as the CKC, AKC, UKC, are any other registry, I'm still researching that and getting mixed opinions on them, to much political matters in that, I guest each of its own, Something happened way before I got an interest in researching the difference, but to each it's on. As far as letting puppies go to their new homes at ages before 12 weeks, I've found out as well that it's not good for the puppy being that he/she is still bonding with siblings, in which in the past I have too purchased puppies that were of the age of 6 weeks, luckily I had younger dogs that he had to bound with. But from now I do understand and have witnessed the difference. As far as me telling someone else about the AKC, CKC differences, I am not one to judge, I don't have that right. I do know that their are some top breeders that have received puppies from other top breeders that have registered their dog in both registries and this has been going on long before me and probably will continue. I am still trying to figure out why and what's the beef between all of the different registry and why couldn't there be just one? So that I can pass along to my clients the difference and importance between them all. I actually thought that the UKC was the top of them all, like I say I'm still researching and learning.

What do you mean you’re not one to judge? We have to judge things all the time! If your referring to the biblical quote, we aren't supposed to judge someone’s relationship with God we will be held accountable to the same standards, but you can and should judge other things. There are NO top breeders who register with anything except the AKC in this country, unless by "top" you mean high volume breeders, and yes millers register with CKC, not to be confused with the reputable Canadian Kennel Club. The Continental Kennel Club took those initials just to mislead people, doesn’t that tell you something? The alternative registries popped up because the AKC has thrown out many millers, and if a commercial breeder is breaking state laws the AKC can suspend them, so the millers just made their own registries. Also, the AKC demands accurate record keeping, and DNA proof if you are producing a certain number of dogs, again, many breeders cannot provide this, so they go for the registry that that takes the breeders “word” for it. Here’s some information on registries: http://moosewood.tripod.com/registries.html: Whenever anyone says another organization, is political, but theirs is free from all “politics”, it usually means, that there’s has no rules or standards and anyone can join no matter how unethical they are.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Suncera

That's what AKC, board said and still waiting on UKC's call back, and yes this would be another discussing somewhere else, but since it was brought up, I wanted to read others thoughts and opinions that's all.

And your right, since it was brought up and you are CHANGING everything about your breeding program etc., why are you still advertising Tiny Teacup Yorkies? Why are you still linked with other well known Puppy Mill Breeders? Suncera, I don't see the sincerity yet and yes you have every right to be here, but my fear is that you are using us to further your byb business. When the actions match the words....

Many people have given you great advice and KendraE has gone out of her way, so when does the transformation really begin? Come on over to the right side...

[Suncera]

Thanks for that information Nancy, will be going there to read and learn. Lynzy if you must know and I feel you should, yes I am re grouping because I want to learn and be knowledgable. My website designer is still working on my site and making correction. I do now understand that their is no such thing as teacup, mini, micro or what so ever, so for you and others that are watching and following, I'm not perfect and again learning valuable lessons. A wise old lady once told me that if you don't ask you won't know and if you don't make mistakes or mishaps you won't learn, she also told me that no matter what you do you can't please everyone and don't die trying. As far as being judgemental I can only speak for what I know and learned. You ladies/gents have years of experiance, knowledge and know more than what I can amagine and I'm thankful for that.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Suncera

Thanks for that information Nancy, will be going there to read and learn. Lynzy if you must know and I feel you should, yes I am re grouping because I want to learn and be knowledgable. My website designer is still working on my site and making correction. I do now understand that their is no such thing as teacup, mini, micro or what so ever, so for you and others that are watching and following, I'm not perfect and again learning valuable lessons. A wise old lady once told me that if you don't ask you won't know and if you don't make mistakes or mishaps you won't learn, she also told me that no matter what you do you can't please everyone and don't die trying. As far as being judgemental I can only speak for what I know and learned. You ladies/gents have years of experiance, knowledge and know more than what I can amagine and I'm thankful for that.

Great answers Suncera - Good luck

[Suncera]

Thanks for the link Nancy, did not know of all the different registries as well as what they stood for, We do have UKC, CKC and AKC registered dogs.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Suncera

Thanks for the link Nancy, did not know of all the different registries as well as what they stood for, We do have UKC, CKC and AKC registered dogs.

The first thing I would do is stop breeding your UKC and CKC dogs, you can't even be sure that they are purebred, and you could never show them anyway. You also cannot sell the dogs on limited registration, and that's so important in order to stop pet owners from breeding.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

The first thing I would do is stop breeding your UKC and CKC dogs, you can't even be sure that they are purebred, and you could never show them anyway. You also cannot sell the dogs on limited registration, and that's so important in order to stop pet owners from breeding.

You mean full registration right. I thought limited is when you cant register pups if the dog is bred

[Suncera]

Our CKC dogs which is Sasha and now Blue Ivy her blue born pup are going to be spayed, as well as our poodle that my husband and children won't part from, the Maltese I have still looking to rehome her and if not she will be spayed as well. Our UKC American Bullies, are my husbands show dogs that he enters in the show ring, they are also registered with ABKC (American Bully Kennel Club) in order for them to carry on their Champion pedigrees that they carry. That's his passion and they have been doing so well. At first I thought those dogs were bad dogs, but they have the most calm temperment and very gentle with my smaller dogs. I will not be breeding any time soon until I have further understanding and attend shows and when my mentors say that I should give it a go again is when I will. Until then I will gain as much knowledge as I can to better my understanding, plus right now my concerns are on my Blue Ivy that I worry about everyday, I have ordered Sasha's Sire 6 year pedigree and her Dams 6 year pedigree as well as the puppies so that I can pass that on to my new puppy owners. I know that I can't and won't be able to contact all but the ones that I have, I hope that they pass on the information about my blue baby!

[concretegurl]

I find nothing political about Continental Kennel Club vs. AKC...

when an owner can buy a dog on AKC limited registration and without breeder's release of any proof of anything register CKC it shows the quality of the CKC,

when CKC is the preferred register of pup mills and anyone who is BANNED from AKC, it shows their quality,

when mixed breeds can be registered it shows their quality,

when any owner can self register a dog who has never been papered with nothing more than application and fees due it shows their quality

when the international community rejects CKC it shows their quality

when they call themselves international and the #1 American registry (quite falsely) it shows they failed in comparison and made their own grouping as to not compete

when they fail to handle disputes, use DNA results to change registrations, when they do all of the above without regard for any facts, moral etc it shows what the issue truly is

not political but economical.

I only beleive in the AKC, I understand many also prefer the IBC for Biewers but please, when a parti can be later registered Biewer when both parents were traditional (carriers) and calling Biewers a separate breed, I don't really beleive in them either-just my opinion.

UKC and CKC-as in Canadian are great right but we are in American AKC is all we need-they are open to parti's chocolates, goldens and partis in those being registered AKC. So they are inclusive with DNA and linage proof they are internationally respected because they earned the respect in their quality, professionalism, and leading example for improving all breeds.

The only "political" issues I personally have is with the YTCA excluding partis from shows...which one day will hopefully change.

The AKC has to accept the YTCA's standards for show, so to me the issues never has been or will be with the AKC.

Off my pedistool sorry I went a bit OT and very opinionated, but that's my 2 cents and another dime. I'm glad you are staying, earning and rethinking your previous actions.

You can't change the past, you can own it and learn, improve and make amends, as well all should-I try everyday in every-way.

[concretegurl]

Continental Kennel Club is not respected by any breed clubs, nor does their lineage pedigrees mean squat in reality, I can produce the linage for pedigree of any of my dogs through their site, my AKC dogs from my home pc- I'm not even a breeder nor am I required to send them ANY proof of ANYTHING!- and send them money and they will create it and make it appear official when it's all a load of you know what so I wouldn't even wipe my bottom with CKC paperwork...you're better off saving your money instead of giving it them to prolong their ill financial gain in falsehoods, making a mockery of registries.