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OwnedByJezebel · 04-25-2012, 02:03 PM

If you can get your girl to Nassau, there are several vets there. Surely one of them has the proper equipment and anesthesia to do a spay on a 6 pound dog.

I'm dismayed that the vets on your island don't have the right stuff to take care of a smaller dog. What do they do when a smaller dog needs surgery to save it's life, just put it to sleep?

Baha Angel · 04-25-2012, 02:27 PM

Pretty much, or they will attempt to fly it out to Florida, which is quite pricey. To live in paradise comes with a huge price of not having simple amenities.

One of our vets are actually located in Nassau, that's where he flies in from. I will call around in Nassau tomorrow to see if they have another vet that specializes with small dogs. Most deal with larger dogs "Potcakes", as we have a stray problem here.

I called both the bad vet, and the vet assistant on call for the one who flies in from Nassau, and they both advised me to let her continue with the pregnancy, and offered to buy one as they are familiar with her when I bring her in to buy heart guard.... Animal ethics are a lot different here.

I'm considering taking her into Florida. I will have to talk to the fiancé tonight to see if he's okay with me traveling alone.

jencar98 · 04-25-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Baha Angel

I'll just explain the circumstances leading up to this so I don't have the calvary on my behind... I live on an island in the Bahamas, where there are only two vets. One has a bad reputation, and killed my fiancés 15 pound s**t-Tzu during a routine Spay a few years ago. The other is only on the island for a week a month and told me that they do not have the equipment or proper anesthetic to spay a dog her size. He point blank told me that it is not safe during the appointment I made for her last year around this time.

I am not employed, so work is not a concern for me, and I will have to order everything online, such as hemostats, milk, incase I have to feed the babies incase of an emergency, and all the necessities because we do not have a proper grocery store, such as "Walmart", here. My aunt used to be on call for pet emergencies and has delivered quite a few litters in her time, I have contacted her.

I wanted advice on what I should be feeding and doing to care for my baby girl at this time to make sure she's as healthy as can be.

Thank you for the advice so far.

You're on an island with improper anesthetic and equipment for a simple spay....an emergency c-section is more complicated with great risks. What's the plan for emergencies?

Also, animal ethics may be different there, but that's no excuse when you know what is right. I couldn't be comfortable with a vet who promotes unplanned breeding and not responsible animal ownership.

Yorkiemom1 · 04-25-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jencar98

You're on an island with improper anesthetic and equipment for a simple spay....an emergency c-section is more complicated with great risks. What's the plan for emergencies?

Also, animal ethics may be different there, but that's no excuse when you know what is right. I couldn't be comfortable with a vet who promotes unplanned breeding and not responsible animal ownership.

Especially when the ill equipped, ill trained vet encourages you to let the dog continue with the pregnancy, KNOWING FULL WELL HE CAN NOT HELP HER IF SHE HAS A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION.....some vet! I think it is safe to say he has ulterior motives....he wants a puppy, whether it kills your female or not!

Baha Angel · 04-25-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Especially when the ill equipped, ill trained vet encourages you to let the dog continue with the pregnancy, KNOWING FULL WELL HE CAN NOT HELP HER IF SHE HAS A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION.....some vet! I think it is safe to say he has ulterior motives....he wants a puppy, whether it kills your female or not!

I agree, it's very awful animal ethics here. Our pound even has a three day rule if a dog is captured, it has three days to be claimed or it is put down right away. Mainly I think it's due to the stray problem as I mentioned above, but it's still a life that could have been adopted. I have been a foster for many large and small strays (even a yorkie!) until my fiancé and I could find a home for them. It's a very painful situation when you have to rescue them from a bad fate, and leave the others because you know you cannot take on 20 dogs. It is heartbreaking.

As for an update on talking with my fiancé, I spoke with him earlier, and he is not comfortable with me traveling alone to another country. But I will have to see what I can do because it comes down to the health of my baby.

I'm not going to be updating this thread anymore because I have not seen any advice on what I should be giving her for nutrition in the meantime. More like judging and not understanding the situation. Thank you all, I hope all of your babies are healthy and well.

Ringo1 · 04-25-2012, 07:31 PM

Oh my gosh; my vet is the absolute opposite. I kind of got mad at him because he kept going on and on about how I should never breed her ~ I already told him I wasn't ~ but I guess he didn't believe me until I finally had her spayed.

I'm not going to tell you what to do with this unplanned pregnancy but I will say a prayer that nothing goes wrong for your girl.

jencar98 · 04-26-2012, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Baha Angel

I agree, it's very awful animal ethics here. Our pound even has a three day rule if a dog is captured, it has three days to be claimed or it is put down right away. Mainly I think it's due to the stray problem as I mentioned above, but it's still a life that could have been adopted. I have been a foster for many large and small strays (even a yorkie!) until my fiancé and I could find a home for them. It's a very painful situation when you have to rescue them from a bad fate, and leave the others because you know you cannot take on 20 dogs. It is heartbreaking.

As for an update on talking with my fiancé, I spoke with him earlier, and he is not comfortable with me traveling alone to another country. But I will have to see what I can do because it comes down to the health of my baby.

I'm not going to be updating this thread anymore because I have not seen any advice on what I should be giving her for nutrition in the meantime. More like judging and not understanding the situation. Thank you all, I hope all of your babies are healthy and well.

Believe me, we understand this "situation" much more than you realize, and are taking your girl's health very seriously.

You're not going to update this thread bc you're not getting the advice you wanted to hear....My Mom would say it's kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face, eh?

Lorraine · 04-26-2012, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Baha Angel

I'll just explain the circumstances leading up to this so I don't have the calvary on my behind... I live on an island in the Bahamas, where there are only two vets. One has a bad reputation, and killed my fiancés 15 pound s**t-Tzu during a routine Spay a few years ago. The other is only on the island for a week a month and told me that they do not have the equipment or proper anesthetic to spay a dog her size. He point blank told me that it is not safe during the appointment I made for her last year around this time.

I am not employed, so work is not a concern for me, and I will have to order everything online, such as hemostats, milk, incase I have to feed the babies incase of an emergency, and all the necessities because we do not have a proper grocery store, such as "Walmart", here. My aunt used to be on call for pet emergencies and has delivered quite a few litters in her time, I have contacted her.

I wanted advice on what I should be feeding and doing to care for my baby girl at this time to make sure she's as healthy as can be.

Thank you for the advice so far.

If you knew this then why in the world get a male and a female instead of two females or two males unless you fully intended to breed them anyway? The more you try to defend your action s and decisions the more you are digging yourself into a hole. If you KNOW the vet care is so poor where you are what were you thinking to even consider a breeding where you likely will not have a c section option if as you say one vet is seldom there the other is no good? Where in this story is the best interest of the dog?
I am very curious where the dogs came from in the first place as the breeder obviously did not have their best interest in mind either.

gemy · 04-26-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Baha Angel

I agree, it's very awful animal ethics here. Our pound even has a three day rule if a dog is captured, it has three days to be claimed or it is put down right away. Mainly I think it's due to the stray problem as I mentioned above, but it's still a life that could have been adopted. I have been a foster for many large and small strays (even a yorkie!) until my fiancé and I could find a home for them. It's a very painful situation when you have to rescue them from a bad fate, and leave the others because you know you cannot take on 20 dogs. It is heartbreaking.

As for an update on talking with my fiancé, I spoke with him earlier, and he is not comfortable with me traveling alone to another country. But I will have to see what I can do because it comes down to the health of my baby.

I'm not going to be updating this thread anymore because I have not seen any advice on what I should be giving her for nutrition in the (a)(b)meantime. More like judging and not understanding the situation(c). Thank you all, I hope all of your babies are healthy and well.

a) See POST NO 3 - by Carmen who is a breeder of silky terriers.
b) See POST NO 2 - Basic nutrition in early stages pregnancy can be found by doing a simple search on this forum. Question has been asked and answered at least two dozen times.

c) Of course we understand the situation based upon what you described to us. And we have to use our judgement to give you the best advice we can. Here is what you have told us 1) You knew there was no reputable good vet care available on the island 2) When your girl was approx 2yrs old you bought a male puppy and left him un-neutered 3) By the time your girl tied with the male he was one year old. 4) By that time your gal has had at least three heats maybe 4 heats - plenty of heats for you to have had a clue when she was due again. Plus a healthy sexually mature male dog, has pretty clear behaviour patterns around a female in heat. It was incumbent upon you to ask the question of your vet, or even ask here, what are signs and symptoms of heat, how to keep two intact dogs from mating, etc, etc. Or yet again, you could do a search on the topic.

So if you Fail to Plan then you Plan to Fail. As a responsible dog owner of an intact female and stud, it is your responsibility to keep separate these two dogs to avoid unplanned mating.

I don't know what the breeder(s) of these two dogs think or care about the situation; but if they were sold on a spay and neuter contract, you have breeched the terms of those contracts.

chachi · 04-26-2012, 09:46 AM

Sigh......No one was judging you just telling you the realities you face if you let this pregnancy go forward. I hope even though you wont post anymore you wll consider the advice given. Everyone here heart is in the right place and consider what was needed for your girl

Yorkiemom1 · 04-26-2012, 10:48 AM

She is gone friends, because she was not getting a blow by blow instruction on care and maintainance of a pregnant female, along with a tutorial on whelping and care of new born pups. She was not actually concerned about nutrition or care of her female, she bred these two dogs and she was wanting infdormation of how to handle the situation she had gotten herself in, with possible no vet care available to her. She has shown an incredible lack of compassion for her dog, as well as for the babies to be born, and even the possible legal implications of a breech of contract. She continued to think of reasons why she could not have this female spayed immediately, in order to avoid a possible disasterous whelping situation. I guess all we can do is pray for her little female.....hopefully she will survive this whelp and the babies will be healthy and not need any medical care. Which of course, will prompt yet another "surprise" breeding....and the BEAT GOES ON.

Nancy1999 · 04-26-2012, 12:34 PM

Is this your little girl that might be pregant? My goodness she looks like a tiny. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/alb...ictureid=98034

I hope you know that good breeders WILL NOT breed a girl under 5 pounds even 5 pounds is very risky. Were you actually giving breeding rights with this dog?

chachi · 04-26-2012, 12:54 PM

It is sad that anyone could think a dog this small could whelp

chachi · 04-26-2012, 01:01 PM

I hope you have a few grand set aside for a csection. Then I hope you can even get her a csection with the bad vetting situation you have

Shelby Jewell · 04-26-2012, 01:32 PM

I know you're feeling like everyone is against you at this point but please consider the excellent advise form some very experienced people. For the health and survival of your little girl you really should get an emergencey spay done. As her Mom, she needs you to make the right decision on her behalf as she can't control the situation herself. Please do the right thing before it's too late.

04-25-2012, 02:03 PM	#16
OwnedByJezebel YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,921	If you can get your girl to Nassau, there are several vets there. Surely one of them has the proper equipment and anesthesia to do a spay on a 6 pound dog. I'm dismayed that the vets on your island don't have the right stuff to take care of a smaller dog. What do they do when a smaller dog needs surgery to save it's life, just put it to sleep? __________________ Life is merrier with a Yorkshire Terrier! Jezebel & Chuy ... RIP: Barkley Loosie & Sassy

04-25-2012, 02:27 PM	#17
Baha Angel Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bahamas Posts: 131	Pretty much, or they will attempt to fly it out to Florida, which is quite pricey. To live in paradise comes with a huge price of not having simple amenities. One of our vets are actually located in Nassau, that's where he flies in from. I will call around in Nassau tomorrow to see if they have another vet that specializes with small dogs. Most deal with larger dogs "Potcakes", as we have a stray problem here. I called both the bad vet, and the vet assistant on call for the one who flies in from Nassau, and they both advised me to let her continue with the pregnancy, and offered to buy one as they are familiar with her when I bring her in to buy heart guard.... Animal ethics are a lot different here. I'm considering taking her into Florida. I will have to talk to the fiancé tonight to see if he's okay with me traveling alone. __________________ Shifu ♥ Chewie ♥ Max RIP Holly Angel

04-25-2012, 07:31 PM	#21
Ringo1 Ringo (1) and Lucy too! Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: On the Edge of Glory Posts: 3,447	Oh my gosh; my vet is the absolute opposite. I kind of got mad at him because he kept going on and on about how I should never breed her ~ I already told him I wasn't ~ but I guess he didn't believe me until I finally had her spayed. I'm not going to tell you what to do with this unplanned pregnancy but I will say a prayer that nothing goes wrong for your girl. __________________ Mommy to Lucy, Ringo, and Matthew

04-26-2012, 09:46 AM	#25
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Sigh......No one was judging you just telling you the realities you face if you let this pregnancy go forward. I hope even though you wont post anymore you wll consider the advice given. Everyone here heart is in the right place and consider what was needed for your girl __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

04-26-2012, 12:34 PM	#27
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	Is this your little girl that might be pregant? My goodness she looks like a tiny. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/alb...ictureid=98034 I hope you know that good breeders WILL NOT breed a girl under 5 pounds even 5 pounds is very risky. Were you actually giving breeding rights with this dog? __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals

04-26-2012, 10:48 AM	#26
Yorkiemom1 Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 9,462	She is gone friends, because she was not getting a blow by blow instruction on care and maintainance of a pregnant female, along with a tutorial on whelping and care of new born pups. She was not actually concerned about nutrition or care of her female, she bred these two dogs and she was wanting infdormation of how to handle the situation she had gotten herself in, with possible no vet care available to her. She has shown an incredible lack of compassion for her dog, as well as for the babies to be born, and even the possible legal implications of a breech of contract. She continued to think of reasons why she could not have this female spayed immediately, in order to avoid a possible disasterous whelping situation. I guess all we can do is pray for her little female.....hopefully she will survive this whelp and the babies will be healthy and not need any medical care. Which of course, will prompt yet another "surprise" breeding....and the BEAT GOES ON.

04-26-2012, 12:54 PM	#28
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	It is sad that anyone could think a dog this small could whelp __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

04-26-2012, 01:01 PM	#29
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I hope you have a few grand set aside for a csection. Then I hope you can even get her a csection with the bad vetting situation you have __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

04-26-2012, 01:32 PM	#30
Shelby Jewell Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sidney, NE Posts: 23	I know you're feeling like everyone is against you at this point but please consider the excellent advise form some very experienced people. For the health and survival of your little girl you really should get an emergencey spay done. As her Mom, she needs you to make the right decision on her behalf as she can't control the situation herself. Please do the right thing before it's too late.