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Itspuppyluv 11-12-2005 12:19 PM
It is mostly my fault for getting off topic. I should have put it in private messages. I got caught up in it :rolleyes:

Back to the topic...as much as you would like to, you can't take the dog to be spayed so you can only try to do like Kimberely suggests. She may not want to be educated, ignorance is bliss. I hope you succeed, good luck.

red98vett 11-12-2005 12:48 PM
I do agree with this - there are always going to be people out there that just don't care to learn and will do as they please....

Ctsweety.....if you really want to easily educate her - BRING HER HERE to Yorkietalk :) (you may want to ask if someone would maybe delete your thread about her first though) ;) ;)

or take her to another site and see if she will read about breeding on the net - There would be no cost to you - and very informative - you never know - maybe she'll get hooked ...good luck

StewiesMom 11-12-2005 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
Okay Villette.....do you agree with Stewie'sMom's advice to this foster parent that she should take the dog to a spay clinic and have her spayed without the owner's permission?
Kim, why are you asking if people agree with me? I am just stating my opinion and couldn't possibly care less whether anyone agrees with me. Please stop trying to make others gang-up on me for stating my honest opinion. Thanks!
:thumbup:

SoCalyorkiLvr 11-12-2005 01:18 PM
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ctsweety~ You can do a lot to help educate this person and make them think very carefully before breeding this little girl that you care so much for...in fact you are in the best position to influence them. There are many many threads here on the dangers of breeding and the things to be aware of as well as the ways to become educated before making the decision to breed or to learn what to do if you do decide to consider breeding. Is the breeder she got the dog from a reputable one and is she local?

If so you could have her talk to them as well but I would print out as much of the info on here and elsewhere that you can find and appraoch the owner in a caring and compassionate manner about your concerns.

I would hope that she only wants the best for her little girl and she will not make this decision irresponsibly or lightly.

There are also books you can buy which make it clear how difficult breeding yorkies is and you could buy her one as a gift.

If you could keep her away from this thread or get admin to delete it you could invite her to come on here and read all the horror stories that have been posted here about breeding. That would make anyone second guess a decision to breed.
Good luck and I was just wondering if you own yorkies of your own?
Thank you Villette....we finally agree....I posted the very same thing back in post #38.

SoCalyorkiLvr 11-12-2005 01:20 PM
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What? Now I can't use certain smilies? :confused:

If you had to leave Stewie w/someone while you were in say, China, for a month, and it wasn't a relative of yours, would you be okay if upon your return you found out that they let a vet perform elective surgery on him at a low cost vet clinic without consulting you?
Why are you ignoring me? Put yourself in the shoes of this dog owner....how would you feel?

StewiesMom 11-12-2005 01:35 PM
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Why are you ignoring me? Put yourself in the shoes of this dog owner....how would you feel?

Kim, I have no reason to respond to your questions because they are not related to this post or the situation of this dog. Secondly, I would never allow my PET to be unaltered. I don't want to take the chance of him ever encountering an unaltered female and getting her pregnant. I would take all the neighborhood dogs around and get them altered if I had the time. I don't think this dog "owner" (have a hard time calling her that, since she is not providing the attention or care or even her own home like most dog owners do) can be compared to me and my life with Stewie.

SoCalyorkiLvr 11-12-2005 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by StewiesMom
Kim, why are you asking if people agree with me? I am just stating my opinion and couldn't possibly care less whether anyone agrees with me. Please stop trying to make others gang-up on me for stating my honest opinion. Thanks!
:thumbup:
....and I know how confident you are in your opinion so how can you think I am trying to get others to "gang up" on you?

And even if I were, it is not like you to care. I was just looking to see how many agree with you versus me, because I think the advice you are giving this member is very bad indeed based on the law, decency and morality.

You have stated that you think the foster parent should have the dog spayed w/o the owner's consent all from seeing one picture and hearing what the foster parent has to say with no input from the rightful owner at all. How can you or anyone think that is fair?

SoCalyorkiLvr 11-12-2005 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by StewiesMom
Kim, I have no reason to respond to your questions because they are not related to this post or the situation of this dog. Secondly, I would never allow my PET to be unaltered. I don't want to take the chance of him ever encountering an unaltered female and getting her pregnant. I would take all the neighborhood dogs around and get them altered if I had the time. I don't think this dog "owner" (have a hard time calling her that, since she is not providing the attention or care or even her own home like most dog owners do) can be compared to me and my life with Stewie.
I am sorry, I didn't know that you had had Stewie altered. The last I knew he was still intact. I hope he had an uneventful surgical experience and recovered quickly.

It is still not your right to assert yourself into others lives when it comes to matters like the riskiness of surgery and the rights of animals and pet owners (to state that you would consider rounding up the pets in your neighborhood and having them altered one by one is pretty scary stuff for me) but I think the majority of the members of this forum including the the member who started this thread realize this so I don't think you or I need to say anymore.

red98vett 11-12-2005 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
Why are you ignoring me? Put yourself in the shoes of this dog owner....how would you feel?
Kim...you posted your opinion many times here - why not let it go now ? You're just looking to debate and this isn't a contest over who agrees with who.....lord ....I am not saying another WORD ....my zipper is Zipped. :eek:

StewiesMom 11-12-2005 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

It is still not your right to assert yourself into others lives when it comes to matters like the riskiness of surgery and the rights of animals and pet owners (to state that you would consider rounding up the pets in your neighborhood and having them altered one by one is pretty scary stuff for me) but I think the majority of the members of this forum including the the member who started this thread realize this so I don't think you or I need to say anymore.
I think YOU should start taking your own advice about asserting yourself into others lives with regard to altering and vaccinations, homeopathic vets, breeding TINY dogs and the new one "theorieroroeoeroroeologist". I like how you attacked me and my opinions, then tried to tell me I shouldn't respond and that nothing else needs to be said. I just try to ignore it, but now I'm SICK. If the majority of the members of this forum agree w/ irresponsible breeding and ignoring measures that could be done to prevent it, then GOD BLESS THEM and their valuable opinions.

red98vett 11-12-2005 02:08 PM
I unzipped my zipper.... ;)

Kristy said something that she would LIKE to do - it is far different than actually doing it....if all the dogs I see running around MY neighborhood were picked up and neutered - the shelters would be FAR LESS full of unwanted puppies....


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