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01-12-2011, 10:37 AM | #1 |
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| line/in breeding question While examining a lot of pedigrees I couldn't help but noticed frequently there are father to daughter breeding in the history, but I have yet to see mother to son(and I'm the first to admit I haven't examined all that many pedigrees) . I was talking to a breeder and they told me that breeding mother to son is a no-no - but not father to daughter. I found that interesting because genetically speaking I don't see the difference between father/daughter and mother/son...any opinions out there regarding any differences between breeding mother to son as opposed to father to daughter (not opinions on inbreeding/line breeding in general, just why it would be ok to breed father to daughter but not mother to son). Just curious. Thanks to those in the know.
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01-12-2011, 11:46 AM | #2 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | I didn't know that father to daughter was common, I thought grandfather to daughter could happen if you want to really cement something into the line, but you have to really know what your doing, you could be cementing in a bad quality. In fact, I had a purebred dog with a genetic illness and the vet thought it was due to father daughter breeding. The breeder was definitely a backyard breeder, but I didn't know any better, and neither did she. Looking forward to experienced breeders answers.
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01-12-2011, 11:51 AM | #3 |
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| I personally would do neither...that's inbreeding to me and I just don't do it. It would be for the very, very experienced breeder in my opinion. Even if I were to get that kind of experience it's not something I would choose to do. I would, however, do a grandfather to granddaughter breeding but that is as close as I would get... Donna Last edited by Brooklynn; 01-12-2011 at 11:52 AM. |
01-12-2011, 12:30 PM | #4 | |
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01-12-2011, 12:43 PM | #5 |
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| I knew what ya meant LOL...I wasn't going to point it out hehehe |
01-12-2011, 12:51 PM | #6 | |
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Oh thanks, but you did in your own subtle way!
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01-12-2011, 12:58 PM | #7 |
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| well I couldn't type out what you wrote or I would be blasted for typing something incorrectly <snicker> |
01-12-2011, 01:32 PM | #8 |
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| Let me attempt to explain it the way it was taught to me in a couple of classes I took. Inbreeding- This is the breeding of two very closely related dogs - for example, two dogs that have the same sire (father). This type of breeding can be used when you want to accentuate - very6 quickly - a particular trait associated with that family. Inbreeding should not be attempted by the novice,. It requires the skill of an exerienced breeder who knlows the dtailed histories of the dogs involved, and who will only proceed if they are confident that the rsulting offspring will be sound and healthy, as wello as being typical specimens of the breed. Linebreeding - This is similar to inbreeding in that it involoves mating members of the same family but they are not so closely related. This the most commonly used breeding program, as it retains the virtues of the line, but it also introduces new new blood. Outcrossing - This is the mating of totally unrelated dogs that have no relatives in common. It is a method of introducing completely new blood to the line, and if you produce the results you are looking for you can fix the type by linebreeding back. Carmen Batagglia has a wonderful class on the specifics of breeding.
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01-12-2011, 01:45 PM | #9 |
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| Here are some links that can help someone to understand a bit more. However, nothing takes the place of taking classes to understand the intricaties of breeding. http://www.breedingbetterdogs.com/ar...tts_fomula.pdf Dog breeding Breeding Better Dogs
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01-12-2011, 02:01 PM | #10 |
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| Interesting - I will check out those links. Do they address the question as to why it would not be ok to breed mother to son, but ok to breed father to daughter? That was what I had a hard time understanding...didn't seem logical to me to hear it said one shouldn't breed mother to son, but could breed father to daughter. Isn't parent to child still parent to child (so to speak) - Seems if it was ok to breed the father to the daughter, then it would be ok to breed the mother to the son. I would agree in-breeding would best to left to the experts, just wondering on the inconsistency (as I saw it) that was told to me. Thanks.
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01-12-2011, 02:14 PM | #11 |
YT 1000 Club Member | Hey Mary, So where are cousins in all this. Say you have a male and female and the males dam and the females dam are from the same litter would that be linebreeding or inbreeding. Also How far back can similar relatives be to still be considered linebreeding?
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01-12-2011, 02:15 PM | #12 | |
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01-12-2011, 02:22 PM | #13 | |
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I strongly advise to take the Carmen Batagglia Seminar.....
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01-12-2011, 03:44 PM | #15 |
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| At one time it was quite common to inbreed...and it was needed to set type. Now, we do not need to do this...there are so many fine bloodlines..and a breeder can breed type to type instead of inbreeding to get it. What I recall in the "olden" days..was the sire was usually a good champion and his daughter was sometimes bred to him...and some studs are what they call "prepotent" (I think that is correct spelling) meaning..they tend to reproduce their best genetic traits over and over... |
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