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11-08-2010, 07:04 PM | #16 |
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| Kimberly== I've bred dogs over 30 years::'It's not so much the size of the dog ,As it is the knowledge of the breeder;
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11-09-2010, 05:16 AM | #17 | |
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I beg to differ. Breeding extremely small girls is not something that should be condoned, no matter how experienced the breeder may be. Nor does it make it "safe." That's very dangerous information to just toss around. Granted, it's not the people are actually ARE knowledgeable taking it for fact that's worrisome, it's the people just entering the breeding world who may take note of it. Although it never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to try to justify breeding tiny females. Last edited by BamaFan121s; 11-09-2010 at 05:19 AM. | |
11-09-2010, 05:55 AM | #18 | |
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How anyone can intentially breed an undersized female in the first place I can't even phanthom. But, to think that because she is bred to a smaller male everything is fine; well to me it is a case of animal abuse.
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11-09-2010, 07:17 AM | #19 |
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| My vet "advised" me in the first place to breed Shelby to get her hormones in order. She had 2 false pregnancies in the past without being bred. I bred Shelby and this is definately not a false. Today she is 50 days, and my husband was able to hear a little pitter-patter with the stethescope. My stud's owner has all the equipment necessary for welping. I realize the pups will be tiny, Shelby was an adorable cotton-ball when we brought her home! I am a stay at home Yorkie mom, with grown boys. These babies will have my undivided attention, as will Shelby. What happens with all the mice, bunnies and gerbils??? Who worries about them??? I appreciate your concerns, I will not be posting further comments as I have a beautiful little girl to love and care for. Take care, Kim xo |
11-09-2010, 07:45 AM | #20 |
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| Just wanted to clarify something. The vet took x-rays, at day 44 and said there are no puppies, so decided since Shelby had 2 false pregnancies with past heats (without being bred), and that she didn't see anything on the x-ray, she immediately told me it was a false again (even though she was bred on 9th & 11th day of heat). She told me to bring her in the following Monday to spay her to prevent further false pregnancies. I refused, looked up information sites for yorkies, and its here, that I learned day #44 is too early to see on x-rays. For this reason I did not bring my little Shelby in for a spay. xo |
11-09-2010, 07:56 AM | #21 | |
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11-09-2010, 09:10 AM | #22 | |
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And on a side note: I highly doubt that your vet told you to breed this little girl. He more than likely said to spay this little girl and you heard "breed" because her line would be broken.
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11-09-2010, 09:18 AM | #23 | |
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Another misconception of the pups being tiny at whelp. The dam controls the pups while in utero. She could very well produce 5 & 6 ounce pups. Size at whelp does not inform you what they will be at growth. The other thing your vet failed to tell you was with a girl this small, she can be very prolific and concieve 5 or 6 pups. Which could lead to premature delivery. Or your girl could whelp 1 or 2 naturually and loose elasticity during the whelping process, and require a c-section anyway. You aren't breeding bunnies, mice or gerbils....you have taken the life of your girl and her pups in your hands. So sad that you decided to take your vet's ill advice and of course the stud owner would chime in....it's money in her pocket.
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11-09-2010, 10:15 AM | #25 |
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11-09-2010, 10:44 AM | #26 |
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| It's sad when one doesn't take the life of an animal to the level of concern one would with human life. I take animal life as I would with human life. I guess some of us are so different in the way we see things all in the name of money. Greed is an awful thing. I get so angry when someone breeds every season and until they are beyond 7 years old. It really sickens me to know that people do this to these creatures of God. Even people that say they are reputable do this and it infurates me to no end! All I can do is pray for those who treat these defenseless creatures for money and just pray they get theirs in the end and they will Donna Last edited by Brooklynn; 11-09-2010 at 10:45 AM. |
11-09-2010, 10:48 AM | #27 | |
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best of luck to the OP with her girl.. hugs, Carmen in nj | |
11-09-2010, 06:18 PM | #28 | |
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And another thing you mentioned in an earlier post, that you have raised three boys. That doesn't qualify you as a breeder of dogs. And let us take this analogy one step further; would you as a first time pregnant mom, feel okay with trusting the birth of your baby, to a midwife type of person with no experience, no training other than what she has read up on in text books, at home, with a doctor "maybe" on call. As you have stated you have left this thread, my comments are directed to others who may stumble upon this thread.
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11-10-2010, 01:06 AM | #29 |
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| And on a side note: I highly doubt that your vet told you to breed this little girl. He more than likely said to spay this little girl and you heard "breed" because her line would be broken. A vet may have told her because I have two Yorkies, one very breedable (right size, good health, conformation, good bloodlines, mother, grandmother whelped easily, etc., etc. ) and other Yorkie (as much as I love her and she is healthy) I would not breed (too small 4#11oz), poor conformation, etc etc and I had a vet (not their regular vet, a fill-in) suggest I breed her too because of her "extra sweet" disposition and how cute she is (personally I think she looks "scruffy"). Her hips are clearly very narrow (just by looking) - I suppose she might very well deliver pups okay, but it's not a chance I'm taking...not too mention, it certainly wouldn't contribute to the breed...sweet disposition or not! I remember thinking thank God I got a brain...which makes me wonder a person that just wanted to breed their dog and got information like that from a vet (no less) might have bred their dog, ignoring the obvious (in my opinion). And (not that the vet knew this) but I had a met someone and after talking discovered she had my dog's brother (from the same litter) and that dog weighs something like 8 plus pounds, so clearly there are some "big" genes in there. (thinking mine was probably the runt or something) Just thinking about being told that by a vet ticks me off. All I'm saying vets, like a GP may know a little about a lot of different things, but it doesn't mean they know that much about "little" dogs (Yorkies, etc). I do think it's important to know the breed you intend to breed inside and out and after learning all you can (objectively) then make your decision. Would the world be a better place if there were a lot of "sweet" Carly's running around? Probably. Am I willing to risk her life for that? No. Sorry, world get your own "sweet" Yorkie!!! lol Kendra |
11-10-2010, 10:39 AM | #30 | |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | When in one post she says the vet "advised" her to breed, yet in another she says the vet told her to bring the dog in to be spayed, you have to conclude that there is something missing from the story. Also, I don't think any vet who had more than a rudimentary knowledge of breeding would be "pleased" that she bred her undersized female with a smaller male; relieved maybe, but not pleased. Hopefully, things will go well this time. But it really is a shame that someone who claims to be so interested in keeping her sweet girl healthy would only start researching the signs of whelping with less than 2 weeks to go rather than finding a good mentor before she started the process. Of course, a good mentor would have told her not to breed such a small girl, so maybe that's why she didn't find one. Quote:
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