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10-19-2010, 05:39 PM | #1 |
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| can i get some breeder views? i have always strayed away from breeding small...which i thought the ones i have at 6-7lbs were small..=) i have a female purchased for breeding AKC, very nice looking parents very nice looking female. she had the broken leg back this summer..she is healed and at 6 months i assume she is too small for breeding. the vet said 2 months ago she is 4lbs..i said where?? legs and ears??? she is very tiny framed..but im wondering if the size of breeding is 5lbs+ and say her small frame makes it to 5- 5.5lbs, am i taking to big of a risk to breed her? even if i found a male smaller then her? i know there are risk any time..but im looking for experience with female at the 5lbs mark. is it possible to "fatten" her up..lol she has long legs small waist and large ears, button nose..just adorable..ill be disappointed if she is not breed-able but i have already accepted the fact she isnt and she will remain our little feet warmer the other thing that worries me is her mother had a c - section with her litter but not with previous litters. i also plan to visit the vet and speak to him on all the above..but looking for other "views" from experience Thanks 43aa04ce-1a91-4a77-98c8-f25e0ed806f9 1.03.01 |
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10-19-2010, 06:12 PM | #2 | |
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10-19-2010, 06:53 PM | #3 | |
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thank you i thought of that too..her not having enough room to support a pup/pups 43aa04ce-1a91-4a77-98c8-f25e0ed806f9 1.03.01 | |
10-19-2010, 11:48 PM | #4 |
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| Sassy was 5 lbs and I had my first yorkie at 3 5lbs and they did fine it all depends on their size of hips like a women, The head has to be able to pass through. If not it will be a c-section. So ask the vet what he thinks. |
10-20-2010, 02:42 AM | #5 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member | Using a smaller male does not matter. You have to know what behind both. What is her body structure like? Is she tall, long and just skinny? How old is she? If she is close to 5 pounds and young she could fill out some. If she is close to 2 and 4 pounds I would not risk it.
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10-20-2010, 07:14 AM | #6 |
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| thanks i know my male has a very small line..but he is 6.5lbs but i think 2lbsis FUR..lol he has the thick heavy coat..his siblings were 3.5lbs his parents were 4 and 5lbs the female father is 2-3lbs and her mother is 5lbs well 2 months ago she was 4lbs..tall, long and skinny..i need her weighed again..ill try and do that soon 43aa04ce-1a91-4a77-98c8-f25e0ed806f9 1.03.01 |
10-20-2010, 09:47 AM | #7 |
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| My girl is 5 pounds, free whelped a litter of 2 & her mother has free whelped. My sire's father has thrown small pups. My girl has skinny and short legs. Her body is skinny too. Do you know the reason your girl's mother had to have a c-section? Do you know if what size pups both breeding pairs parents have had? Dont know how old your girl is, but if she's still young, she may have some more growing to do. My girl had a growth spurt when she was over a year old...you just never know. |
10-20-2010, 01:03 PM | #8 |
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| Like stated before in order for her to free whelp alot goes into the breeding: Size of parents, grandparents on both sides. Why did her mom need a section? Sometimes it is one reason but then the next time them free whelp. The dogs frame especially in the pelvic region. I do have a question for you though, you say she has long legs, tiny framed, and big ears yet you say you want to breed her? I am not trying to be mean, I just know the description does not sound very appealing but maybe she is gorgeous... I would say medically ask your vet to xray her hips and tell you what he/she thinks first and foremost. Then evaluate her as breeding stock, does she fit the standard closely? Is she in great health? Are you prepared for a c-section and/or possibly losing her? Is the male you have a pretty close to perfect representation of the breed? Do they complement each other fault wise? There is so much to mating 2 dogs...Have you done that research? Pedigrees?
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10-20-2010, 04:36 PM | #9 | |
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LOL shes not goofy looking i promise ..you can see her face in my avatar and i have another one of her in there somewhere..i just tease her about her ears..she has grown into them =) i believe but not certain ( i need to contact the breeder again) it was a precaution c section...i think she got nervous ( I might be remembering it wrong) and had the c section done...i know she has bred for a very long time and is knowledgeable i plan on speaking to the vet when she is a year old | |
10-20-2010, 04:50 PM | #10 |
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| LOL I was picturing this goofy looking yorkie for sure and with what I call dumbo ears and long giraffe legs...and I have seen a BYB breeding exactly that!!
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10-21-2010, 03:19 PM | #11 |
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10-29-2010, 04:13 PM | #13 |
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| Since she is only 6 months old it is too early to tell how big she will be. Weighing in at 4 pounds when she was 4 months old is not really small. In fact it puts her off the weight chart (Yorkshire Terrier - Yorkie Puppy Growth/Weight Chart - watch us grow) and gives a guesstimate of well over 6 pounds as adult. If you did not want to breed dogs that are 6-7 lbs because you thught they were too small, how large of female Yorkies were you breeding? You should breed females between 5-7 pounds. Of course bottom line is still a vet check for bone structure, and TESTING. You mentioned not doing that in another thread. I want to encourage you to change your mind. It is really not that expensive. You can get everything you need for probably less than the price of one puppy and then you are doing right by your girl. In addition to the vet check, getting a seasoned expert that shows yorkies to evaluate both dam and sire for conformation is the thing to do. They all look so cute in our eyes and sometimes it takes an unbiased person to really decide if the dog is breeding material. See what the litters have been like in the past 2 generations. What kind of problems have been incurred during delivery? What sorts of health problems have pups shown? Others have already explained, you can't fatten them up to make weight, but I am guessing that weight is not going to be a problem for you. The mother having a C-section after a few unassisted whelps, is probably not a problem, but best to get the details from the breeder. Your girl has a cute face in your profile pic. You might want to get some good pics of your dogs stacked and post them for the pros to look at. They will give you some good advice. Even at 6 months they can sometimes tell potential, better at a year though. You won't want to breed her until she has at least her second heat -- usually 18-24 months -- anyway. So you have time for evaluations.
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10-29-2010, 06:35 PM | #14 |
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| bella is a petite female..she may be 5lbs but her structure is very tiny..long thin legs i think she stopped growing =) could be wrong..but i havent seen much change since 4 months but could be because i see her every day one person advised placing two finger to see how wide her pelvis is and i cant fit 2 fingers..so i am doubting she is breedable..she a sweet baby...i almost think the scale was wrong when the weighed her then..because i didnt see 4lbs i saw about 2.5-3lbs.. one female is 6.5lbs and she is tiny too me as well and the whelping looks stressful..her last one (her third one) was much better..but she is getting fixed when the babies go to their new homes my other female is 8-9lbs a bit out of standard but has the easiest whelps..they come out quickly and safely i know you have spoken to me on the other post and stressed some concerns...i have decided NOT to go back there because i do get upset over it. thank you for your time and info Last edited by tammy8833; 10-29-2010 at 06:36 PM. |
10-29-2010, 06:47 PM | #15 | |
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i have reread your post and wanted to thank you for being so kind. im a bit raw from the last one and this one from you was nice and really full of good info and suggestions..im little emotional..sorry i really would like to work on putting more into it..and maybe im some peoples views i should not do it at all until i have all the test and so forth..i actually would like to have them tested whem breed my AKC pair..i believe his parents were and i would like to track that info back down the female i dont think she has any testing in her back ground..i WILL speak to my vet in the future for pricing and info..i have the best vet..couldnt ask for better. so you test the parents and then you dont have to test their line if they are "clear" to breed? do the puppies need to be tested before they leave? i will try n get some pics of bella...her hair is cut short and a ittle funky =) from when her leg was broken...another reason im thinking she shouldnt be bred??? she is 100% healed but i wouldnt want to add any stress to it...not sure if that is an issue or not..i had planned on asking the vet when i take her in at 12 month for his evaluation. im very proud of her...she is such a pretty girl "fattening" up her is wishful thinking =) she is so hyper she would just run it off.. the male that i have now has been producing NICE pups..occasionally i will have the larger size like the mama..but the ones like him are beautiful they all are but the ones like mama are just thicker..the weights vary from 4.5-8.5lbs...he was bred with another pretty female that is 6lbs very stunning little girl i only got to see puppy pics but they were some NICE looking pups..they were a nice match i was hoping to bred him to bella because they make a good match for each other..but she is skinnier then him same height tho | |
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