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GreenwoodBiewer 07-29-2010 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3219172)
Who is fanone?

Jeanie~there was no excuse for what you said. It was totally uncalled for to make any kind of a backhanded or flippant comment regarding puppy mills. It was beyond words to even think that would be acceptable to the vast majority of member of YT. I am still floored and speechless that you would have found that necessary to even make that kind of remark. Then to top it off with a comment about coming back in 10 years to help with parti's in puppy mills. :eek: Totally unbelievable and I cannot even wrap my brain around this logic.
She said to come back and look at Partis in 10 years.. meaning.. come back and see how the Parti has matured and developed in 10 years.. it had NOTHING to do with puppy Mills! I'm not sure how you could have possibly gotten that from her statement.

Diana :animal-pa

yorkiekist 07-29-2010 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy (Post 3219162)
LOL OK. I just checked out the website. I had no clue. :)
We have lots of neet stuff to sell here. Like scorpions in candy and cactus jelly.LOL Just kiddin', although you can get that stuff at the airport.

We have Arizona dirt shirts, Sedona dirt shirts, many resorts to go too. Arizona is a great place to see, especially in October.

Arizona is at the center of attention by the entire United States over this bill. Many other states are ready to pass laws just like ours and are just waiting to see what happens to us first.

The whole law is like a keg of dynomite.

Breezeaway 07-30-2010 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 3219178)
She said to come back and look at Partis in 10 years.. meaning.. come back and see how the Parti has matured and developed in 10 years.. it had NOTHING to do with puppy Mills! I'm not sure how you could have possibly gotten that from her statement.

Diana :animal-pa
Thats what I took it to mean, that the parti would improve in 10 yrs.

GreenwoodBiewer 07-30-2010 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3219209)
We have lots of neet stuff to sell here. Like scorpions in candy and cactus jelly.LOL Just kiddin', although you can get that stuff at the airport.

We have Arizona dirt shirts, Sedona dirt shirts, many resorts to go too. Arizona is a great place to see, especially in October.
Arizona is at the center of attention by the entire United States over this bill. Many other states are ready to pass laws just like ours and are just waiting to see what happens to us first.

The whole law is like a keg of dynomite.


Glad to hear you say this about Arizonia in October.. I'm going to be in Phoenix for an IABCA show in October and was hoping it wasn't going to be really REALLY hot!! Coming from MN, about that time of year, we're already getting our Parka's and Sorels out so it will be a nice change for a few days. Looking forward to it.

-Diana:animal-pa

BaxtersMommy 07-30-2010 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3219168)
Cannol imagine hnow, my say suggesting that someone do something more worthewhile with their time like crusading against puppy mills got twisted into something bad. Obviously you have run out of ways to bash us for breeding partis so you have to find a new theme.

Well bash away.

Everyone can read for themselves EXACTLY what I said.
Jeanie,

I did not take what you said in bad way. I understood it as you meant it and as you typed it. Obviously people can misunderstand ones "tone" on a forum. But, it was not offensive to me. I do think that more people need to help in shutting down puppy mills. You are passionate about Parti's and want them to be recognized by the Yorkie world, you are a far cry from a puppy mill. You are not the only one who wants this for the parti. I have read this thread and some of it is crazy. :eek:

BaxtersMommy 07-30-2010 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3219377)
Thats what I took it to mean, that the parti would improve in 10 yrs.
Me too. I saw nothing wrong with her comment. :confused:

JeanieK 07-30-2010 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3219172)
Who is fanone?

Jeanie~there was no excuse for what you said. It was totally uncalled for to make any kind of a backhanded or flippant comment regarding puppy mills. It was beyond words to even think that would be acceptable to the vast majority of member of YT. I am still floored and speechless that you would have found that necessary to even make that kind of remark. Then to top it off with a comment about coming back in 10 years to help with parti's in puppy mills. :eek: Totally unbelievable and I cannot even wrap my brain around this logic.
sorry for they typos, I didn't take the time to correct them before I hit submit.

My comment was not back handed or flippant. it was sincere. It was not a remark, it was a suggestion.

I cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone could take the suggestion to crusade against puppy mills as something negative.

I guess some people are so angry they see negativity in everything.

just read the words that I write, not someone elses interpretation.

JeanieK 07-30-2010 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3219177)
:confused:

Nothing is twisted it is all in black and white coming right from your fingertips. I'm not bashing anyone just simply commenting on your words. :thumbdown
This is exfactly what I wrote. it is not offensive. It does not tell yorkiekist to NOT post on here anymore.

It tells her to move on to another TOPIC not another THREAD and suggests that her time would be better spent doing something worthwhile, like crusading against puppy mills (meaning it is a worthwhile cause), rather than to waste her time bashing parti breeders. We are not going to go away so bashing us is a waste of time

Now explain to me exactly how that was making light of puppymills in any way what so ever.

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Originally Posted by JeanieK
Maybe they should be more strict. But We don't quite have the budget that the YTCA does.

As for the looks of the dogs.

We do not have the option of going out and purchasing champion sired dogs to breed. I have said before, we have to work harder to accomplish our goals. Most of use are still on our first generation.

This is going to take time to accomplish our goals.

For someone to come on here and nosing around on everyones websites just to pick apart their dogs, all I have to say to that is you need to get a life.

This thread has gone from being educational to being a bash fest.

You aren't going to make us go away, so time for you to move on to some other topic. maybe you could go and crusade against puppy mills, that would be a far better use of your time.


Check back in on the partis in about 10 years.

JeanieK 07-30-2010 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy (Post 3219386)
Jeanie,

I did not take what you said in bad way. I understood it as you meant it and as you typed it. Obviously people can misunderstand ones "tone" on a forum. But, it was not offensive to me. I do think that more people need to help in shutting down puppy mills. You are passionate about Parti's and want them to be recognized by the Yorkie world, you are a far cry from a puppy mill. You are not the only one who wants this for the parti. I have read this thread and some of it is crazy. :eek:
Thank you. I think that is the problem, I do not use sarcasm. I write what I mean and I mean what I write.

perhaps there should be a smiley that indicats sarcasm. :)

Breezeaway 07-30-2010 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3219074)
Maybe I haven't looked at enough dogs, but how would that be done? I've seen this posted more than once about putting carriers in the ring. All the carriers I've seen pics of have more lighter coloring than would be acceptable for show. So I'm just wondering how you would champion a carrier.
They would use Aztec gold on them.:D

I'm just kidding.

JeanieK 07-30-2010 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3219442)
They would use Aztec gold on them.:D

I'm just kidding.
LOL Ha that was quick thinking!!! :D

jencar98 07-30-2010 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3219176)
Thanks and I have decided that will be my new siggy for a very LONG time. Speaks volumes of the attitude and reputation that should be present within the ethical and reputable breeders of this country. Whether you breed for Hobby or Show we should all be working toward the same thing of sound and healthy Yorkshire Terrier. Ethics is ethics. I believe a Hobby breeder and a Show breeder need to rise above and speak out against mills. Otherwise they are no better and are living a lie regarding their own breeding ethics.
Sorry to go OT, but this thread long ago went that way so,....

I like your new signature too and wish exhibitor and hobby breeders would back legislation to end puppymills. But sadly, most do not because of their fear of what the new laws would mean for their breeding programs and the number of dogs they own. I do understand their concern and wish legislation could be written in ways that would avoid affecting negatively the truly reputable breeders.

Browsing through the animal protection and welfare section on YT you will notice with the exception of a few comments by a few reputable breeders, there are no breeders posts supporting puppymill legislation.:confused: In fact, for all you see written about puppymills and YT members wanting to put an end to them, that section of this forum is dismal in member participation (I'm guilty too).

Now having said the above, I really don't understand how you (and Nancy) took Jeannie's post to be "making light" of anyone's work with the puppymill situation. Also, I agree with others that her comment about checking back in on partis in ten years had nothing to do with mills.

JeanieK 07-30-2010 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3219475)
Sorry to go OT, but this thread long ago went that way so,....

I like your new signature too and wish exhibitor and hobby breeders would back legislation to end puppymills. But sadly, most do not because of their fear of what the new laws would mean for their breeding programs and the number of dogs they own. I do understand their concern and wish legislation could be written in ways that would avoid affecting negatively the truly reputable breeders.

Browsing through the animal protection and welfare section on YT you will notice with the exception of a few comments by a few reputable breeders, there are no breeders posts supporting puppymill legislation.:confused: In fact, for all you see written about puppymills and YT members wanting to put an end to them, that section of this forum is dismal in member participation (I'm guilty too).

Now having said the above, I really don't understand how you (and Nancy) took Jeannie's post to be "making light" of anyone's work with the puppymill situation. Also, I agree with others that her comment about checking back in on partis in ten years had nothing to do with mills.
I had NO idea that reputable breeders were against puppymill legislation. I had never considered that it might have an impact on small breeders. Hmmmmmmmmmmm new food for thought.

I hve often wonderexd why the AKC and all of the Breed clubs, with all of the influence, were not lobbying for legislation. Now it makes sense.

The UK has legislation against them. I have no idea how it reads, perhaps someone from the UK can explain it. But I was told, they do not have pet stores or brokers. All pets have to be purchased from the breeder.

I realize "that" in itself is not going to stop puppy millsd but it might slow them own.

chachi 07-30-2010 07:51 AM
The complaints Ive seen from breeders regarding legislation is that it also affects hobby and show breeders. I dont think any breeders would be against legislation that just targeted puppy mills

Nancy1999 07-30-2010 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3219475)
Sorry to go OT, but this thread long ago went that way so,....

I like your new signature too and wish exhibitor and hobby breeders would back legislation to end puppymills. But sadly, most do not because of their fear of what the new laws would mean for their breeding programs and the number of dogs they own. I do understand their concern and wish legislation could be written in ways that would avoid affecting negatively the truly reputable breeders.

Browsing through the animal protection and welfare section on YT you will notice with the exception of a few comments by a few reputable breeders, there are no breeders posts supporting puppymill legislation.:confused: In fact, for all you see written about puppymills and YT members wanting to put an end to them, that section of this forum is dismal in member participation (I'm guilty too).

Now having said the above, I really don't understand how you (and Nancy) took Jeannie's post to be "making light" of anyone's work with the puppymill situation. Also, I agree with others that her comment about checking back in on partis in ten years had nothing to do with mills.


Jeannie has told various people on this thread that their posts are not welcome and again she told Yorkiekist that she should do something "better" with her time. Yorkiekist has shown in interest in the past in the problems in puppy mills, which very few breeders here have done publicly, and I have worked very hard trying to get breeders involved in some of the solutions. To make light of the problems of puppy mills, and reputable breeders involvement in the solutions is reprehensible. I believe the remark was made in a glib and snide way, if you actually believe her quote, "maybe you could go and crusade against puppy mills, that would be a far better use of your time." was a sincere suggestion, that is indeed your prerogative, but knowing a little of past threads and history, I do not.


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