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Woogie Man 07-29-2010 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3218614)
Yes it would have to be more clarified.
Thanks for the reply. Sorry if it seemed like I was making you point man in the debate....was just looking for a few answers. :)

It is certainly your right to post or not post your opinions. Thanks again for the reply.

Pinehaven 07-29-2010 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3218563)
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought it was someone that had bought one of her dogs and not Ms. Lipman that got the ball rolling on that.

Do you have any opinion on the many varieties of partis now being bred and whether any hypothetical color variation in the standard should include them?

Also, as a 'heads up', there is a member of the CYTC that is advertising that they specialize in "teacups".

Loryn Bogren (Crownridge) and Alex Gesmundo (Summit) were the two people who began the process that got the first parti yorkies registered as Parti's - they purchased parti's from Ms. Lipman.

The CYTC is not a "policing body," the club is set up as a safe and friendly place for owners of all yorkies to come to for education on color genetics; a place to show off photos of their dogs and pups, and a place to meet new people and network. We've posted standards, and we've discourage breeding the breeding of blue born yorkies and sizes outside of the standard. As YTCA members have seen with their own club members, not all abide by the written standards and rules.

Breezeaway 07-29-2010 11:55 AM
Loryn and Alex may have been instumental in helping. Loryn had 2 partis and Alex had one. Gloria was shut down for 18 months and all her dogs (42 litters sires and dams) were DNA'd.

Woogie Man 07-29-2010 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 3218635)
Loryn Bogren (Crownridge) and Alex Gesmundo (Summit) were the two people who began the process that got the first parti yorkies registered as Parti's - they purchased parti's from Ms. Lipman.

The CYTC is not a "policing body," the club is set up as a safe and friendly place for owners of all yorkies to come to for education on color genetics; a place to show off photos of their dogs and pups, and a place to meet new people and network. We've posted standards, and we've discourage breeding the breeding of blue born yorkies and sizes outside of the standard. As YTCA members have seen with their own club members, not all abide by the written standards and rules.
Thanks for expanding on the Nikko dogs.

You are perfectly free to run your club in any way you see fit. My earlier mention was not meant to disparage your club, only to make you aware of something that is linked from your club's site. But, from reading your code of ethics (#7), that would seem to be a violation that you might like to be aware of, hence the 'heads up'.

Pinehaven 07-29-2010 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3218576)
I have asked over and over for my name to be removed from the CYTC website. I am not a member and have no say in what they do or do not advocate.
Yes Loren helped get it started but Gloria is the one who had to have it done, she paid the price.
We will take this as your official request to be removed from the site and we will do so ASAP. If you do not wish to be a part of a club, then you shouldn't provide your business card or pay the $35.00 initial set up fee to become a member.

Breezeaway 07-29-2010 12:03 PM
I have emailed several times asking to be removed and as yet it has not.
That was when it was first formed and thought it was going in a certain direction.

Woogie Man 07-29-2010 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3218644)
Loryn and Alex may have been instumental in helping. Loryn had 2 partis and Alex had one. Gloria was shut down for 18 months and all her dogs (42 litters sires and dams) were DNA'd.
So I'm guessing that the Nikko line is the only one to have been thoroughly researched by AKC? Have the Hylan's or the other unrelated line been as well researched or are they the beneficiaries of the research done on the Nikko line and the resulting AKC acceptance? Also, just how many lines do parti breeders 'in the know' acknowledge?

OK...I'll stop with the questions for now.

Breezeaway 07-29-2010 12:11 PM
I know on the Hylan Durrer one they conducted DNA on the dogs/puppies before they would register the puppies.

Pinehaven 07-29-2010 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3218656)
I have emailed several times asking to be removed and as yet it has not.
That was when it was first formed and thought it was going in a certain direction.
Not a problem, your email requests were not received but we will remove your name, business card and web link.

The COLORFUL Yorkshire Terrier Club has been open to and promotes all colors, including the traditional blue and tan, since the beginning. Sorry you were under the impression it was a Parti Only club. We don't discriminate against colors, unless the color has health problems linked to that color (like blue born yorkies) - all other colors are welcome.

JeanieK 07-29-2010 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3218563)
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought it was someone that had bought one of her dogs and not Ms. Lipman that got the ball rolling on that.

Do you have any opinion on the many varieties of partis now being bred and whether any hypothetical color variation in the standard should include them?

Also, as a 'heads up', there is a member of the CYTC that is advertising that they specialize in "teacups".
Are you sure that there are NO YTCA members selling "teacups'

We cannot control what our members do anymore than you can control what the YTCA members do.

Education is a process, it does not happen over night. We do not judge. We leave that to the YTCA.

JeanieK 07-29-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3218665)
So I'm guessing that the Nikko line is the only one to have been thoroughly researched by AKC? Have the Hylan's or the other unrelated line been as well researched or are they the beneficiaries of the research done on the Nikko line and the resulting AKC acceptance? Also, just how many lines do parti breeders 'in the know' acknowledge?

OK...I'll stop with the questions for now.
I have not spoken with anyone ferom the other lines so do not have the answer to that.

Nancy1999 07-29-2010 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3218937)
Maybe they should be more strict. But We don't quite have the budget that the YTCA does.

As for the looks of the dogs.

We do not have the option of going out and purchasing champion sired dogs to breed. I have said before, we have to work harder to accomplish our goals. Most of use are still on our first generation.

This is going to take time to accomplish our goals.

For someone to come on here and nosing around on everyones websites just to pick apart their dogs, all I have to say to that is you need to get a life.

This thread has gone from being educational to being a bash fest.

You aren't going to make us go away, so time for you to move on to some other topic. maybe you could go and crusade against puppy mills, that would be a far better use of your time.


Check back in on the partis in about 10 years.
You seem to be making light of what some of us do to try and stop the horrendous suffering of dogs in puppy mills.

Mardelin 07-29-2010 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3218964)
You seem to be making light of what some of us do to try and stop the horrendous suffering of dogs in puppy mills.
I agree Nancy. Puppy Mills and perserving the breed is nothing frivilous and not a waste of anyone's time.

Rhetts_mama 07-29-2010 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3218955)
HA, HA , HA!! You parti breeders just scoured my site today. Talk about snooping around. They are all public sites. If you dont want your dogs all over the intenet, then dont have a web-site, simple as that. At least I didnt say who had the worst dogs.

JeannieK, I have a life so dont ever tell me what to do with my time and dont tell me which threads to post on. If you dont like what I say, put me on ignor.

Wow.

This thread has seriously gone down hill. That's sad because it was really educational there for a while.

yorkiekist 07-29-2010 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3218985)
Wow.

This thread has seriously gone down hill. That's sad because it was really educational there for a while.
Yes, it was fairly educational until some people make uncalled for remarks.


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