Thanks for the reply. Sorry if it seemed like I was making you point man in the debate....was just looking for a few answers. :)

It is certainly your right to post or not post your opinions. Thanks again for the reply.

Loryn Bogren (Crownridge) and Alex Gesmundo (Summit) were the two people who began the process that got the first parti yorkies registered as Parti's - they purchased parti's from Ms. Lipman.

The CYTC is not a "policing body," the club is set up as a safe and friendly place for owners of all yorkies to come to for education on color genetics; a place to show off photos of their dogs and pups, and a place to meet new people and network. We've posted standards, and we've discourage breeding the breeding of blue born yorkies and sizes outside of the standard. As YTCA members have seen with their own club members, not all abide by the written standards and rules.

Loryn and Alex may have been instumental in helping. Loryn had 2 partis and Alex had one. Gloria was shut down for 18 months and all her dogs (42 litters sires and dams) were DNA'd.

Thanks for expanding on the Nikko dogs.

You are perfectly free to run your club in any way you see fit. My earlier mention was not meant to disparage your club, only to make you aware of something that is linked from your club's site. But, from reading your code of ethics (#7), that would seem to be a violation that you might like to be aware of, hence the 'heads up'.

We will take this as your official request to be removed from the site and we will do so ASAP. If you do not wish to be a part of a club, then you shouldn't provide your business card or pay the $35.00 initial set up fee to become a member.

I have emailed several times asking to be removed and as yet it has not.
That was when it was first formed and thought it was going in a certain direction.

So I'm guessing that the Nikko line is the only one to have been thoroughly researched by AKC? Have the Hylan's or the other unrelated line been as well researched or are they the beneficiaries of the research done on the Nikko line and the resulting AKC acceptance? Also, just how many lines do parti breeders 'in the know' acknowledge?

OK...I'll stop with the questions for now.

I know on the Hylan Durrer one they conducted DNA on the dogs/puppies before they would register the puppies.

Not a problem, your email requests were not received but we will remove your name, business card and web link.

The COLORFUL Yorkshire Terrier Club has been open to and promotes all colors, including the traditional blue and tan, since the beginning. Sorry you were under the impression it was a Parti Only club. We don't discriminate against colors, unless the color has health problems linked to that color (like blue born yorkies) - all other colors are welcome.

Are you sure that there are NO YTCA members selling "teacups'

We cannot control what our members do anymore than you can control what the YTCA members do.

Education is a process, it does not happen over night. We do not judge. We leave that to the YTCA.

I have not spoken with anyone ferom the other lines so do not have the answer to that.

You seem to be making light of what some of us do to try and stop the horrendous suffering of dogs in puppy mills.

I agree Nancy. Puppy Mills and perserving the breed is nothing frivilous and not a waste of anyone's time.

Wow.

This thread has seriously gone down hill. That's sad because it was really educational there for a while.

Yes, it was fairly educational until some people make uncalled for remarks.

Good observation Nancy.

And you don't think this was an uncalled for remark about people?
Did someone appoint you judge? Do not comment on others when you yourself hide your own dogs.

I think yorkiekist was just giving her opinion of what she thought about some yorkies on websites and that is allowed I believe. I have to agree with her at least she didn't say who they were so how could she have hurt anyone's feelings when she didn't say who's website she looked at? I'm sure if anyone looked at my website and said one of mine was not a good representation of the breed it probably would be one of my pets and that is ok because it would be a pet not a show or of breeding quality "hence" pet :) I wouldn't be offended.

Yorkikist I want to say a few choice words to you but I will hold my tongue as enough bashing has been started. Please, however do you put all breeders of particolored Yorkies in one bucket. I am sure you do not want to be put in the same mix of show people that show for profit or cut corners, "cull" puppies, etc.

And this thread has been educational for many reasons and I applaud all for keeping it civil.

As was stated by a few of us here, we have to start somewhere. I am sure that many have regardless of color. Not all exhibitors are willing to sell to even and ethical and honest person. I can tell you that for sure. And even some of the YTCA breeders and exhibitors on here have worked for years with one person to try to gain their trust to get a dog from them.

I admit that my dogs are not show quality. Not even that close to tell you the truth but I am aware of it and admit it. I can only go up from here, that is why I am getting a champion sired standard colored male to hopefully put in the ring. If he does become a champion he will be bred to my 2 parti girls and if I get even one show prospect, that carrier for sure will be in the ring. That is what I will do to improve my lines. All the ones that are not prospects will be petted out. It will take me years to improve my line but I admit it and accept it and that is all that matters. There are NO perfect dogs. Nor are there any perfect breeders or exhibitors.

I've seen some show/exhibitor websites that didn't have the best representation of the breed up either in "my" opinion and yes there are some that I wouldn't buy a yorkie from just because I don't like what I see. Even on my website you might not like what I have posted up there either it's all matter of opinions and it woudn't hurt my feelings if my dogs aren't your type and if you even said they weren't pretty as I always say....beauty is in the eye of the beholder :)

Ok had to go to your site...the one winking is a little sketchy...;););)
Your sure have a brood there. But I love em all...darker, lighter, bigger, smaller...
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
But I am an amateur

Maybe I haven't looked at enough dogs, but how would that be done? I've seen this posted more than once about putting carriers in the ring. All the carriers I've seen pics of have more lighter coloring than would be acceptable for show. So I'm just wondering how you would champion a carrier.

Thank you! Actually the one winking is a finished champion but is now neutered and never sired a litter because in my opinion after he finished wasn't what I wanted in my breeding program. He went too light, not a perfect bite but has exceptional bloodlines but just wasn't what I wanted in my lines so he was neutered and living as a pampered pet in my home. I have another one same thing with bad patellas so he's neutered also and never sired a litter either and my first homebred champion.

I do appreciate the compliments on my guys :)


Donna

I actually have a carrier girl that is a year old and is not light. I think it depends as has been said on their lines. I have high hopes for her. Not for a ring but does give me hopes for the future.

Darn, I wanted to hear all your choice words.;) You can pm them to me if you want. I have my big girl panties on.:)

I never said any names, so I dont know why you are taking my posts personal. Sorry if I offended you.:(

I was mearly pointing out that if the parti breeders would actually take a look at their dogs(not all, but alot) I would have to say that you(that is not you personally) are breeding for color only. There are only a couple that seem to be are serious about conformation. As I said in one post, I would spay/neuter most of what I saw based on conformation. That would be for the betterment of the breed. Which is what I assumed these parti clubs were about. But I guess the clubs arent about that after all.:rolleyes:
I dont hate all the parti breeders at all. I dont know where you get that idea. But(that word again) I dont agree with your(not you personally) breeding ethics and your(not you personally)idea of showing carriers.

And, by the way, I do cull my litters. I place them as pets.

I am not hiding my dogs. We already had that conversation. duh

Wow! Looks like someone has stooped to a new low! :mad: A reputable breeder should have a LOUD VOICE along with all the other voices against puppymills. I just cannot believe what my eyes have just seen in print by a breeder from YT. That is just outrageous! :thumbdown

I hope those words will ring over and over in the minds of anyone considering ever purchasing a puppy from a YT breeder. WoW!!!! :eek:

Hope it posts this time....
Like I said ...work in progress

That's just silly. You can't control what your members do, but you can certainly control whether or they are allowed to remain members. :rolleyes: Don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to dictate what should or should be allowed--I'm not a member of either club and that is something for the governing bodies to decide. But 'we can't do anything about it' is a very weak excuse, IMO. Isn't that what member bylaws are for? Follow them or hit the road? I dunno...just saying.

Also, seems like every time some issue is mentioned, the go-to defense is 'well the YTCA does this or that.' So what? Clearly you gals don't agree with them, think they are corrupt...so why the constant need to draw parallels between yourselves and them? Seems like instead of trying to justify everything you do by pointing out that 'some YTCA members do that too,' you'd strive to be something else since there is such a difference of opinion and ax to grind with them.

I have yet to see where anyone has every stated that they agree 100% with every single thing that every single member of the YTCA does. I'm sure there are some bad seeds. That kind of thing seems unavoidable. But it seems like many are quick to jump up and condemn all of the YTCA over the actions of a few. Guess if that is the standard that is being used, then both clubs in question should be looking over their shoulders.

Kinda like when your kid says "well so and so mom let's them do it"