That's good, but if you are fully aware of what you are doing, then you should accept the consequences. Breed clubs are not put in place to make breeders happy, or to sell dogs.

The bad part of all this, is that I do think it will be even harder for new breeders to earn the trust of ethical breeders and it may even be harder for them to acquire suitable breeding stock so that they can improve their lines.

Put it this this way I am breeding my Champion Male and Champion sired females into my Parti colors. I plan on showing them.

The Parti's just like the Biewers (IMO) are not at the point in their developement that they can be bred strictly Parti to Parti.. as mentioned earlier.. we still have a ways to go on many things to get the Parti's to the point that they need to be. We will need to do this by bringing them back to spectacualar quality yorkies that posses the characteristics we need, going out to shows, being critiqued by "professionals", and doing it again.. just as you do in every breeding program. Eventually, once the lines are broad enough, there maybe no need to breed back.. we are not there yet. Mostly, in my mind.. because of health reasons. I have my own program deversified enough now that I am starting to feel more confident in that area.. that was step one.. now we can START to look at the rest of the puzzle.

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You are the person that seems to have a problem with YTCA members, correct? You are not the only person to be burned by a YTCA member. As with anything, there are good and not so good. All I can say is get over it. Move on. All of the YTcA members I have met and known are extremely helpful and honest breeders. Except 2. I got over them.

The dogs I have seen in the ring for the last 30 years have, for the most part, been nice dogs. Some not so nice were put in the ring by novices, one of them was even mine, the first dog I ever attempted to show. It didnt take me a long time to figure out this dog just wasnt going to make the cut. But,(that word again) even he was better quality than 90% of the pictures I saw on the parti web-sites.
I am glad you seem to think you have a great parti dog that can beat the pants off your standard dog.
I also think its peculiar that most of the parti breeders slam the YTCA, breeder/exhibitors and like minded breeders, say we cheat and lie and the judges dont know how to judge, and dog shows are a crock, but then crave a champion sired dog or want to breed to champions.
Its almost like you want to improve and get better on the shirt tails of the breeders you seem to despise.

I have no need to improve and get better on the shirt tails of any breeder, including the ytca members. I have wonderful quality yorkies in my home and some not so nice. The some not so nice are from ytca members and are altered. I can state the best quality I have is from many generations of my very own breedings. ;)

My point is strictly if the parent club for the akc yorkshire terriers are the ones who set the standard THEY ALL NEED TO ABIDE BY IT! They all need to do the proper health testing on their breeding stock! I have seen it all in the time I was showing. I could personally write a best seller, lol!

I am sorry you had such bad experiences from YTCA members. As I said, as in any group there are good and bad. Same with dog show judges, some good , some bad. But I have found that the majority of the YTcA members are good people and good breeders.
Do you show your dogs? You must have many champions to breed your partis too.:)
My post wasnt aiming at just you. I was just saying that from what I have seen on most of the parti breeder web-sites, the quality, or lack there of, is alarming. And I am not talking about color, conformation is the issue.

That is exactly what needs to be done Deb...and I am 100 % right behind you in my plans as well. We also need to place better quality carriers and parti's in the hands of serious breeders such as ourselves. We can't do this alone.

Yep..time to quit going in circles on a message board with those who will not even entertain the idea of the parti being granted a variety class. It gets us nothing but headaches.


The parti population and it's carriers have exploded in the last few years...and this is just the tip of the iceberg. It's too late to stop it, but certainly not too late to work with the parti breeders to help control how it is bred in the future. As proven in other breeds with the parti gene...both colors can be bred separate (for the most part) once the parti is where it needs to be to sustain itself.

Health will always be my No.#1 concern with conformation coming in second.

Champions in a pedigree are not the most important to my program. I have stated just because a yorkie is a champion does not make it worthy of being bred and producing healthy quality off springs.

Yes I own one parti yorkie, which does not make me a breeder of parti colored yorkies. But what few parti breeders I consider as reputable are the ones going beyond to do everything right by their dogs and what they believe in. We all have a right to pursue our dreams.

Yes, health is the first concern and should be.

To quote someone. "it Ain't over till it's over"

Yes we believe the day will come whn there is enough interest in the parti, among the YTCA members, that the will give them a category of their own.

You believe they will not. time will tell.

That is an issue that it does not pay to argue because no one knows.

We have goals of getting the partis to meet the standard in every way except for color. so our partis can be shown with pride.

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Have you looked at the yorkie websites posting yorkies for sale? Its not just the Parti's, I have run across some horrendous looking blue and gold yorkie websites. There will be people out to make money no matter what breed, but there are some of us that are really trying hard for show quality parti's.

But there are only a handful of parti breeders compared to the thousands of yorkie breeders. The parti sites I looked at were from your parti web-site club members(colorfulyorkie, partiyorkshires, amoung others). You know, the parti breeders that want to improve and show. Those are the ones I looked at. And out of the handful of your members, I only saw 2 sites that had good looking dogs. The rest had dogs with every fault I mentioned in my other post. And it was every dog on their sites, not just one or two dogs. They were no better and some were worse than alot of the bybr sites and yorkies listed for sale on other venues.
These are members of your groups. The ones that abide by your groups code of ethics and bylaws. Im afraid these breeders wont live long enough to see the improvement they desire and need to even set foot in a show ring.
Maybe your parti clubs should not allow every parti breeder to be part of the club. Maybe the parti clubs should be a little more strict like the YTCA about letting members join. Just saying.....

2 ? What are you baseing that on, the actual sites or the photo album?

actual sites

Wow out of 65 sites only 2? We know your agenda its written all over your website.
How come you don't have photos of your dogs on your site?

I dont have an agenda on my web-site. Just telling it like it is.

I dont have alot of photos because I cant take great pictures. I have tried and tried with my cameras but with the shutter lag, it seems the dogs move and I keep getting the back of the head shots or end of the tail shots. But, as my site says, it is under construction.

The tiny puppies are the only ones I could get to hold still!!!LOL Great pictures of them.

Exactly, nice photos are hard to get so don't judge a dog by a photo.
You dont seem to have problem taking pics of your goats, chickens, horse and cat.

You dont know how many pictures I had to take of them.lol Besides, I am not having to beg someone come over and help me take pictures of them. I like professional type pictures of my dogs on my site, not back yard pictures of horses, chickens and goats. Like I said, my site isnt done yet.

OK, the parti dogs in the pictures I saw, any dog fancier can tell they are substandard. I dont care if they are stacked or not. This type of bad structure cant be hidden.

I have a couple of questions regarding the partis. Since this discussion has largely been about getting partis into the ring, I was wondering just what partis are we talking about? From a little looking around, I'm finding partis, golden partis, chocolate partis, chocolate/golden partis and blonde partis. It really seems like every variation of off-color dog is being bred together. Would those advocating for a color variation in the breed standard want to allow for all these varieties, and those yet to come? Do we now need the term 'traditional parti'?

Also, I saw the pedigree posted with the Hylan's dog. I thought I had seen earlier that all parti's could be traced back to the Nikko's line. There's also a breeder on the CYTC website that claims to have a parti that's no relation to either of these lines. Very confusing...

I browsed those sites yesterday and I imagine quite a few people have.

Not all partis come from the Nikkos line, but Nikkos is the most popular and well know.. Gloria is the one who who owned them and got them into AKC.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought it was someone that had bought one of her dogs and not Ms. Lipman that got the ball rolling on that.

Do you have any opinion on the many varieties of partis now being bred and whether any hypothetical color variation in the standard should include them?

Also, as a 'heads up', there is a member of the CYTC that is advertising that they specialize in "teacups".

Hmmmm, and the members of this club love to critisize the YTCA and its members.

I have asked over and over for my name to be removed from the CYTC website. I am not a member and have no say in what they do or do not advocate.
Yes Loren helped get it started but Gloria is the one who had to have it done, she paid the price.

It could well be an oversight, but it is there. It runs counter to the posted code of ethics, however, and I'm sure the club would want to know about it.

Understood about you and the CYTC. That part of my post (about the teacups) was more directed to the club's founders. If you would care to answer as an individual, do you have an opinion on the variations of the parti now being bred? I would think if a standard variation is pursued, at some point it will have to be clarified as to what varieties of dogs would be included in any proposed change.

Yes it would have to be more clarified.

Yes i do have my own opinion on the variations, but right now i keep that to myself.