New At This - Lilly's Pregnant

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I'm one of those that helps because of the dogs. But, each situation is different. This OP has been a member here for 3 years so she can't claim innocent ignorance. And this was a deliberate breeding...not an oops litter.

All that was recognized by the ones posting earlier on this thread and still there was no bashing. I think I should know as I've complained about rude people in the past...but there was none of that here. Just a mild scolding to the OP.

Somehow, she took offense at these posts. I honestly don't know what to make of someone like this. I can tell you that being that high strung/thin skinned at whelping time won't be good.

I hope some of you can reach some level of communication with her, for the sake of the dam and pups. Lord knows they need the help.

[Nancy1999]

The very people some are accusing of bashing the OP are the very people that will be up at 3:00 helping her whelp the puppies. They never turn anyone away regardless of the situation. It's amazes me how these newbie breeders don't research prior to breeding, yet know how to search YT, to find those that will help them during the whelp.

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom

thanks Melissa,and Kim

Lily is doing great right now...temp where it should be ....and looks like this weekend she will have some cute widdle puppies.

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

I have not yelled at anyone. I just see you all yelling at me because I want to help.

The OP has my phone number.

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I'm one of those that helps because of the dogs. But, each situation is different. This OP has been a member here for 3 years so she can't claim innocent ignorance. And this was a deliberate breeding...not an oops litter.

All that was recognized by the ones posting earlier on this thread and still there was no bashing. I think I should know as I've complained about rude people in the past...but there was none of that here. Just a mild scolding to the OP.

Somehow, she took offense at these posts. I honestly don't know what to make of someone like this. I can tell you that being that high strung/thin skinned at whelping time won't be good.

I hope some of you can reach some level of communication with her, for the sake of the dam and pups. Lord knows they need the help.

Help has been sent...best of luck to this Momma & her litter!

We can only hope this owner will keep to her word of "one" litter and a spay will follow.

[janetcerdas]

Originally Posted by rik20101

You are bringing more mutts into the world when there aren't already enough 'yorki-poos' out there. So, what are you going to do with these precious mutts? Will you give them away? Sell them? If you sell them, how much will you ask? Do you plan on breaking even or making a little cash off of the 'designer' breed?

Yea, I am being a smart butt....

I really don't think it's up to you to decide whether or not there are enough "yorkie-poos" out there. I also don't think it's any of your business whether or not she will charge for HER puppies.

Originally Posted by Mardelin

In addition if the OP was so concerned about the welfare of the female; Original Post on the 10th and didn't come on again until this afternoon.......Speaks volumes.

How do you know what she was doing exactly? She could have been at the vets or caring for her female, you guys really do think you know it ALL.. yes she was VERY wrong for breeding her female for a selfish reason but you guys are doing more harm then good. I think she got the point when she was told over and over that she's irresponsible and that she should feel guilty. So how about some of you that seem to know-it-all start giving this girl some USEFUL advice or these puppies could die.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You need to either be prepared for answers from all ends of the spectrum, or refrain from asking the question altogether.

I strongly disagree with this. ANYONE is allowed to ask a question, no matter how STUPID the question might be, or whether or not it's up to your standards.

Originally Posted by Cares4Dogs

Everyone realizes your girl is already pregnant and she needs to get through the process of whelping. It may seem useless to you to hear the responses you received, but these responses really help others who come to this section when they are just thinking of breeding their dogs. Its valuable information.

Some people got upset and showed it with emoticons, but that should not be the reason that you chose not to listen to the advise.

I know you think dog breeding is a natural thing done for hundreds of years in the wild, but how many yorkies (or any toy breed) having pups in the wild??Wild dogs dont get to come and talk about their whelping experiences.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Great post Gail.

However, as the original Poster said that wheping is not rocket science, we make it more complex than what it is. If that's the case, no questions needed to be answered.

I for one find it very difficult to assist a Backyard Breeder....only to help them in continuing bad breeding practices where there dogs continue to suffer under their enept hands.

Originally Posted by janetcerdas

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How do you know what she was doing exactly? She could have been at the vets or caring for her female, you guys really do think you know it ALL.. yes she was VERY wrong for breeding her female for a selfish reason but you guys are doing more harm then good. I think she got the point when she was told over and over that she's irresponsible and that she should feel guilty. So how about some of you that seem to know-it-all start giving this girl some USEFUL advice or these puppies could die.

Read my above post.

If you're so concerned why don't you give her advice instead quoting other's posts

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by janetcerdas

I strongly disagree with this. ANYONE is allowed to ask a question, no matter how STUPID the question might be, or whether or not it's up to your standards.

And ANYONE is allowed to answer, not just those willing to give the desired response. That's my point, if you are going to ask, be prepared for answers. If you can't handle them, then refrain. I'm not saying don't ask, just be ready if you do.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Read my above post.

If you're so concerned why don't you give her advice instead quoting other's posts

I guess she is like the rest of us, putting her 2 cents in!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by peanut

I guess she is like the rest of us, putting her 2 cents in!

2 cents is fine, but being insistent that "know at alls" should begin advising....Put your money where your mouth is (and I'm speaking in generalities)

By the way I did offer advise, the only advice that would truely benefit the OP. However, it wasn't sugar coated as the OP expected.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

2 cents is fine, but being insistent that "know at alls" should begin advising....Put your money where your mouth is (and I'm speaking in generalities)

By the way I did offer advise, the only advice that would truely benefit the OP. However, it wasn't sugar coated as the OP expected.

Well I never said "I knew it all", but I have whelped litters, and I didn't sugar coat it I said the OP was wrong for breeding her, but the fact that she was due to whelp soon, I offered help to her, some thinks it wrong, but being a responsible breeder, I put puppies & bitches first.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by peanut

Well I never said "I knew it all", but I have whelped litters, and I didn't sugar coat it I said the OP was wrong for breeding her, but the fact that she was due to whelp soon, I offered help to her, some thinks it wrong, but being a responsible breeder, I put puppies & bitches first.

I didn't say that you said it....but the person I quoted did.....Please don't misread my post.

Being a responsible breeder, does not mean advocating or promoting poor breeding practices. This girl may be in harms way, however, not in jeaporady. The advice given was to see a vet and find a mentor, that is the best advice anyone can give. Not too late to do either.

As stated by another poster, the OP has been on this forum for quite awhile, but, didn't take the time to research even the basic questions. Or even ask questions prior to breeding. But, I bet she'll know enough to research the best go to people to help her with the whelp should it turn sour and it'll be those people that she accused of being abusive.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Being a responsible breeder, does not mean advocating or promoting poor breeding practices. This girl may be in harms way, however, not in jeaporady. The advice given was to see a vet and find a mentor, that is the best advice anyone can give. Not too late to do either.

I didn't advocate or promote it, I just think as a responsible breeder that I should help if needed, just like you will if she needs help. I also have to because I was taught to help others. I will be the first to tell people that are thinking about breeding to research, go to shows, and find a mentor, breed to standard, get the best out there that is standard before you breed and tell others that don't have a clue to spay & neuter.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

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I'm borrowing a quote from someone without revealing their name. But, it does say alot.


"I have always disliked the idea of YT becoming a safe haven for some people that decided they are going to breed. Where they are patted on the head, told that 'what's done is done', and then had their hand held through the process. Sends the message that 'hey, no matter how bad I screw up, these people are always going to bail me out..." Sorry, but I can't condone that."

The OP has been on this forum for awhile, plenty of time to have read and realized what they were doing was incorrect.

Right on. Let's get this straight a member for prox 3years. Long enough to search all the threads on breeding, screening, whelping problems, not to mention getting books on breeding. This was a deliberate decision on her part. What exactly do I "owe" this person in terms of advice at this point? 7-10 days before whelp date - the proper person to ask is her vet and or her mentor. And vets do have a limit on the amount of free advice they are willing to give. If she didn`t care to take the time to do the research, why should she expect anyone to take the time to reply to her.

This person was ready to take advantage of the willing hearts and minds here,banking on our overall love of dogs will `reel` in a member or two willing to help out this person`s dog and her future pups. And it worked.

[janetcerdas]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Read my above post.

If you're so concerned why don't you give her advice instead quoting other's posts

Oh I'm sorry are we not allowed to quote on yorkie talk? My bad ! Guess I didn't get the memo

[janetcerdas]

Originally Posted by peanut

Well I never said "I knew it all", but I have whelped litters, and I didn't sugar coat it I said the OP was wrong for breeding her, but the fact that she was due to whelp soon, I offered help to her, some thinks it wrong, but being a responsible breeder, I put puppies & bitches first.

When I mentioned "know it all" I wasn't referring to you

But I think your post is right on.. I dont see any "it's okay if you made a mistake, breeding is no biggie" comments. So I really don't get why the word "sugar coat" keeps coming up because the op never asked for any sugar coating she just asked for straight up advice and instead she keeps having the same thing repeated over and over again which is definitly not helping her situation. I'm not a breeder so I can't offer her any advice,but if I did, I wouldn't sit here and bash her instead of helping her and her puppies, IMO

[rik20101]

In my newbie opinion, this thread needs to be closed. All it is doing is pitting member against member.