Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3019354)

Donna, you've always been crystal clear in your thoughts on breeding. I hope you don't refrain from comments about what you look for and try to achieve with your breeding program. It's very enlightening and I'm sure I'm not the only one that really appreciates them.

Jim

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3019289)

Nancy, I know it's sometimes hard to decipher a person's true meaning from typed words, but you seem to infer that Mr. Biewer somehow was more honorable in his development of the Biewer than Parti breeders. I don't see how you can say he 'wasn't just breeding for pets' as the Biewer could not be shown and he even had to shop around for a registry to paper them with. Also, in an earlier post, you mentioned something about parti breeders inbreeding and that you wouldn't recommend them. Just how do you think Mr. Biewer was able to develop his dogs without intensive in-breeding? He started out with only 2 and that was only in the 1980's. You just can't here from there without in-breeding.

I think the Biewer is a lovely dog, but honestly, the more I find out about them, the more confused I am. They either are/are not a Yorkshire Terrier; you either breed them with Yorkies or not..very confusing. I guess it will be some time before there's a shake out and things get set for the breed. In any case, they aren't recognized by AKC and, if I remember correctly, have been determined to be a mixed breed by at least one German registry.

I just say that in contrast to the Parti, which has been determined to be a Yorkie, has been around for many years, and is recognized by AKC. This is what makes your post puzzling.

I would just like to see both Parti and Biewer breeders take their breedings seriously and develop long term goals. I think some are doing so, and that's a good thing for any breed. I have seen one Parti breeder here (kpstoybox I think) mention more than once that the parti is not yet where they want it to be in quality and will take some time. Statements like that indicate that a breeder has both goals and a critical eye....absolute necessities in a breeding program.

I don't think any of us traditional Yorkie breeders are going to dissuade Parti and Biewer breeders. They certainly don't need my blessing to continue. I will just wish them well in their endeavors, different as they may be from mine.

I really get tired of this back and forth every time a Parti or Biewer thread pops up. I remember the thread where Tammy was having such trouble with Livi and her pups and folks came together then to offer help, regardless of their breeding program. I'd just like to see more of that spirit here than continually beating a long-dead horse.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3019380)

Concerning beating a dead horse, we are constantly getting new members, lots of people joining every day, who know nothing about qualities to look for in a breeder and why breeding to standard is important, or even why you shouldn't breed your pet dog. I know when I joined Yorkietalk I read hundreds of threads before I ever posted on a thread, for most people there's no reason to post; they can get lots information by reading. If you believe you are beating a dead horse, than of course you shouldn't post, but I certainly don't think I'm beating a dead horse. All I can say, is that I'm so thankful, there were a few people here before I joined, and who weren't afraid of beating that proverbial dead horse.

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3019392)

You're right about the new member thing. My point is that we should all be trying to promote good breeding practices, whether traditional, parti, or Biewer. Some will never see eye to eye on the whole parti/Biewer issue, but we can all agree on sound breeding practices, whatever our interests. There's no purpose served by re-hashing old squabbles and most of these threads get bogged down in just that.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3019212)

Hi and welcome to Yorkietalk, from what I understand all the Parti's can be traced back to one line. Even the Biewer, developed in Germany, has been said to be linked to this line. I guess Mr. Biewer may have been a Parti breeder, but he seemed to take it very seriously, and wasn't just breeding pets, he had a vision and he developed a standard. After his death, the breed almost died out, but American interest brought it back to life. There are many breeders breeding the Biewer in America, and different clubs with different agendas, some believe that there is no difference between the Biewer and the Parti, and even mate the two together. Others believe that there are huge differences, and it's best to keep the lines pure. I believe that there are huge differences in the breeders and their motivations for breeding. So perhaps you know the parti as a Biewer?

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3019232)

OH PLEASEEEE, evab, you have posted all over another site and you even posted your website which has stolen photos on it. Some of them are mine.
PARTI COLOURED YORKIE TERRIER her website

Originally Posted by evab (Post 3019417)

Hi Nancy, thanks for the kind welcome...yes I understand about the Biewer and the Uk breeding lines. I have been looking into Biewer History for some months now, but didn't find anything mentioned about the parti until I went on another forum, it's been quite an experience in the last few weeks...firstly learning about how forums work.....as I'm blonde! and the fact that I had never been on US forums before....but I'm here now....I have found the comments to be very interesting and obviously mixed opinions....:confused:

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3019392)

My point is that we should all be trying to promote good breeding practices, whether traditional, parti, or Biewer. Some will never see eye to eye on the whole parti/Biewer issue, but we can all agree on sound breeding practices, whatever our interests. There's no purpose served by re-hashing old squabbles and most of these threads get bogged down in just that.

Originally Posted by evab (Post 3019453)

I am unable to reply to a posting by Lowoodfarm, as I have already gone to the administrator..how can this be I have only been on this forum for one message????

so post my reply here.: I do not have a web site: Parti Yorkie Terrier, we do not have them in the UK. so if you have a prob Deb take it up with them.... I merely informed you on that site that you had put incorrect info on your web sire about Nikko's Rolls Royce Ashley ever winning crufts, which I now see you have changed.

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3019512)

If we make a mistake with infomation we will correct it.
You could have contacted us about the error.
But instead you choose to berate and steal pictures that do not belong to you and used them without permission.
I hope you have corrected this and removed the pictures.
This board frowns on people who conducts themselves in this manner.

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3019328)

Thanks Donna ;)
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I know that there are people within this thread that do not breed the standard 100% of the time...I will not name names...I like and respect these people. But can we please agree that one picking and choosing what rules they will follow are no better/worse than those of that breed the parti....no matter how you justify it! Do not preach at us for not following the standard if you are not willing to follow your own words, each and every breeding. I do not care why you say that you do it....I am tired of reading that they are doing it to enhance the color (or whatever reason is being used). You are still breeding an off-color yourself. Heck, I could say..."I am breeding my Livi to pass on her dead-on perfect topline". I am still breeding an off-color, right?? So why do you, the ones that are saying that we are wrong, get to state your reasons for breeding the colors that you want, but we are the ones that are attacked??[snip]