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Breezeaway 02-25-2010 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3017803)
You know, I read posts like this all the time on Yorkietalk and I wonder why other parti breeders don't speak up and say something. If someone had posted something like this concerning a standard yorkie, you could be sure that there would be other breeders speaking up, and saying that he should be evaluated before you decide to breed him. This is a perfect example of why I call parti breeders one-trait breeders. If you really do love the parti's, you will try and help other parti breeders become better breeders, not just help more breeders to become parti breeders.
It does not matter whether the pup is a parti color or a black and tan or purple for that matter. It is a yorkshire terrier and and has nothing to do with being a one trait breeder, we think we don't have berate them in public. PM's get better responses instead of trying to continuously humiliate and embarrass them in a public forum. For another thing , maybe she is just joking, do you know that she is not? Do you know anything about how she is getting the pup or anything about the so called sale?? I wouldn't think so, Until you have facts it really isn't necessary to beat up on these people. She doesn't even have the pup yet, anything could happen between now and it being a year old.
And lastly we the parti breeders,Strike that, I cant speak for others, but I don't have to say anything, you guys do enough of that for everyone that has a yorkshire terrier.

Mardelin 02-25-2010 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3018295)
I.

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When YTCA change the founding standard to include the Bl & Tans and Lt. Blue and gold, they deviated from the standard to suit their needs.
But change it back in 2007 to Steel Blue and Gold.

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A bit of information: The body of the AKC/YTCA standard was not touched, it is in the same form since the nineteen fifties. The only thing that was added was this.

Disqualification
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Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.
Approved July 10, 2007
Effective Oct. 1, 2007

yorkiegirl2 02-25-2010 08:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3018330)
A bit of information: The body of the AKC/YTCA standard was not touched, it is in the same form since the nineteen fifties. The only thing that was added was this.

Disqualification
.
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.
Approved July 10, 2007
Effective Oct. 1, 2007
Ok, Thanks for the info.
Are you saying the YTCA never included the Black and tans or the Lt. Blue and golds?
Can you tell me, why these off colors were allowed in the show ring and winning ??
I know some can look at a black dog and say it's black while another person would call it steel blue.
But there is no question when you look at a Lt. Blue it's not a steel blue.
I know some breeders colored dyed dogs and do other things hide faults to fit the standard.
It seem to me this is a double standard.
It ok to breed /show these off colors and cheat to fit the standard.
But will slam others for breeding the Tri colors.

puppylove11 02-25-2010 11:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3018330)
A bit of information: The body of the AKC/YTCA standard was not touched, it is in the same form since the nineteen fifties. The only thing that was added was this.

Disqualification
.
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.
Approved July 10, 2007
Effective Oct. 1, 2007
I feel the need to express my feelings on this topic. As someone who has always protected the yorkshire terrier breed to the AKC standard I am appalled by some of the comments on this thread. Before you even ask yes I have shown and yes I have bred.

First off just because someone is a member of the YTCA does not make them a reputable moral person, let alone a reputable moral breeder! I can state this because I know this for a fact!

Secondly how many of the members of the YTCA have dyed the coat on a yorkshire terrier they have shown in a conformation match? My answer would be many of the YTCA members have dyed coat. Why would they dye a coat? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD OF WHAT THE COLOR OF THE COAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE! Maybe you should worry more about the members of the YTCA that do not follow the standard instead of bashing the people who are not members of the YTCA.

Just because some of you are members of the YTCA it does not make you God! Last I remember AKC recognizes the Parti Color of the yorkshire terrier.




magicgenie 02-26-2010 03:05 AM
Perfect!!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3018559)
I feel the need to express my feelings on this topic. As someone who has always protected the yorkshire terrier breed to the AKC standard I am appalled by some of the comments on this thread. Before you even ask yes I have shown and yes I have bred.

First off just because someone is a member of the YTCA does not make them a reputable moral person, let alone a reputable moral breeder! I can state this because I know this for a fact!

Secondly how many of the members of the YTCA have dyed the coat on a yorkshire terrier they have shown in a conformation match? My answer would be many of the YTCA members have dyed coat. Why would they dye a coat? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD OF WHAT THE COLOR OF THE COAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE! Maybe you should worry more about the members of the YTCA that do not follow the standard instead of bashing the people who are not members of the YTCA.

Just because some of you are members of the YTCA it does not make you God! Last I remember AKC recognizes the Parti Color of the yorkshire terrier.



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Mardelin 02-26-2010 05:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3018559)
I feel the need to express my feelings on this topic. As someone who has always protected the yorkshire terrier breed to the AKC standard I am appalled by some of the comments on this thread. Before you even ask yes I have shown and yes I have bred.

First off just because someone is a member of the YTCA does not make them a reputable moral person, let alone a reputable moral breeder! I can state this because I know this for a fact!

Secondly how many of the members of the YTCA have dyed the coat on a yorkshire terrier they have shown in a conformation match? My answer would be many of the YTCA members have dyed coat. Why would they dye a coat? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD OF WHAT THE COLOR OF THE COAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE! Maybe you should worry more about the members of the YTCA that do not follow the standard instead of bashing the people who are not members of the YTCA.

Just because some of you are members of the YTCA it does not make you God! Last I remember AKC recognizes the Parti Color of the yorkshire terrier.



Below is listed the AKC alternate color codes for the Yorkshire Terrier. No where is there a box for a Parti color.

Yes, AKC allows for Parti color registration. It is my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong, when registering these Partis all one has to do is write in the colors and submit your form with the $20.00.

Colors and Markings


Use this form to get a complete list of the standard and alternate colors available for AKC recognized and FSS® listed breeds.

Description: The name of the color.

Type: Standard or alternate. This is the classification of the color for show purposes. Please refer to the breed standard for specifics regarding registered breeds. FSS® breed standards are not available online. Please e-mail the FSS® department if you have color questions regarding an FSS® breed.


Note: (FSS®) refers to Foundation Stock Service® breeds and (Misc) refers to Miscellaneous Class breeds.

Colors

Description Type Code

Black & Gold S 234
Black & Tan S 018
Blue & Gold S 041
Blue & Tan S 044

Breezeaway 02-26-2010 05:42 AM
Pictures have to be included with registration of the Parti and the color code is 014

red98vett 02-26-2010 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3015212)
No, Sue you did not say that...the OP did..

I do not believe in mixing any thing with a standard but a standard from standards..what my friend does is her business..I have no problem with Biewers and respect the breed and many breeders...is it unethical to mix partis and standards..yes IMO it is and my friend knwos this, but we are adults and set this aside to be good friends...
This is way off the subject but a good chance for me to ask you something - can you please tell your friend that I MISS her ? I know she isn't on her computer too much these days but please tell her I said hi -
Thanks Pat

Breezeaway 02-26-2010 06:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3018559)
I feel the need to express my feelings on this topic. As someone who has always protected the yorkshire terrier breed to the AKC standard I am appalled by some of the comments on this thread. Before you even ask yes I have shown and yes I have bred.

First off just because someone is a member of the YTCA does not make them a reputable moral person, let alone a reputable moral breeder! I can state this because I know this for a fact!

Secondly how many of the members of the YTCA have dyed the coat on a yorkshire terrier they have shown in a conformation match? My answer would be many of the YTCA members have dyed coat. Why would they dye a coat? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD OF WHAT THE COLOR OF THE COAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE! Maybe you should worry more about the members of the YTCA that do not follow the standard instead of bashing the people who are not members of the YTCA.

Just because some of you are members of the YTCA it does not make you God! Last I remember AKC recognizes the Parti Color of the yorkshire terrier.



With that being said, Is that not being unethical? To cover up flaws or coloring by dying the dog to show? If it is dyed, is it not then a counterfeit, as not being in its natural state as it should be for showing.

Mardelin 02-26-2010 06:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3018701)
Pictures have to be included with registration of the Parti and the color code is 014
Typed in color code 014 and it took me to this:

Colors and Markings

Lhasa Apso

Below is a list of the colors and markings available for this breed. Please refer to the breed standard for descriptions and the difference in types.

Description: The name of the color and/or markings.

Type: Standard or alternate. This is the classification of the color for show purposes. Please refer to the breed standard for specifics regarding this breed.

Code: This is the code entered on an application for registration of a dog.

Colors

Description Type Code

Black S 007
Black & Tan S 018
Cream S 076
Golden S 093
Grizzle S 109
Red S 140
Red Gold S 152
White S 199
Blue A 037
Charcoal A 331
Gray A 100
Liver A 123
Silver A 176

Markings

Description Type Code

Black Mask With Tips S 054
Black Tips S 053
Brindle S 051
Parti-Color S 038
Sable S 026
White Markings S 014
Sable, White Markings A 067

Breezeaway 02-26-2010 06:17 AM
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Yorkshire Terrier color codes, Partis are Blue and tan or gold with white markings

Breezeaway 02-26-2010 06:34 AM
I am trying to get this straight, what you are saying is that anyone that breeds Parti colored or other any other color than the standard color is unethical, Is that correct?

yorkiegirl2 02-26-2010 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3018726)
Yorkshire Terrier color codes, Partis are Blue and tan or gold with white markings
Now if you look at this list (S) beside the 041 Blue and Gold and the 044 Blue and Tan is for standard.
Everything else is (A) Alternate meaning all those dog are out of standard.
AKC only list a few on paper as choices, other wise the list would be to long.

Brooklynn 02-26-2010 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3018738)
I am trying to get this straight, what you are saying is that anyone that breeds Parti colored or other any other color than the standard color is unethical, Is that correct?
I don't believe anyone is calling those that breed Parti's as unethical but for a one trait color and it does deviate from the breed standard. Those that breed for other colors other than what the standard calls for are not breeding correctly, not to say unethically just not correct. As I've stated many times before there will always be rules "standards" we all should live by and follow and when you don't follow the rules or laws for that matter we are not doing something right. As much as one tries to justify what they are doing....if the speed limit says 55 you don't go 70...but of course you are going to have someone that goes over the speed limit but there are consquences to your actions...am I perfect as a breeder no, is there a perfect yorkie no, do I drive over 55 yes, have I gotten a ticket absolutely...so until the standard changes I will not change my opinion PERIOD! Please don't hate me because I try and uphold my convictions....

Donna Bird

Brooklynn 02-26-2010 07:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3018559)
I feel the need to express my feelings on this topic. As someone who has always protected the yorkshire terrier breed to the AKC standard I am appalled by some of the comments on this thread. Before you even ask yes I have shown and yes I have bred.

First off just because someone is a member of the YTCA does not make them a reputable moral person, let alone a reputable moral breeder! I can state this because I know this for a fact!

Secondly how many of the members of the YTCA have dyed the coat on a yorkshire terrier they have shown in a conformation match? My answer would be many of the YTCA members have dyed coat. Why would they dye a coat? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD OF WHAT THE COLOR OF THE COAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE! Maybe you should worry more about the members of the YTCA that do not follow the standard instead of bashing the people who are not members of the YTCA.

Just because some of you are members of the YTCA it does not make you God! Last I remember AKC recognizes the Parti Color of the yorkshire terrier.



I'm not God and never claimed to be, nor would I ever claim to be God...I don't think I've bashed anyone thus far....and I have many breeder friends that are NOT YTCA members :)

Donna


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