Do it yourself vacines

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

this practice of giving vaccines at 6 weeks has been around a long time and i personally have never seen anything harming the pup if given at 6 weeks or given lepto...i had NEVER see anything different until i join yt

There is a great deal of information on the internet showing vaccinations are causing cancer in our dogs...and while you might not see anything harming the puppies it could have a large impact on the length of their lives.


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[TammyJM]

Tammy, I think that people have become so immune to what goes into their pet's body because vets have for so long done shots at 6 weeks. But it's not a good excuse/reason for someone to say, "Well, this is what we have always done and I haven't seen any problems thus far.". I am confused as to why someone would not WANT to learn a better way. You know, this is a little off-topic, but when I was pregnant, my father-in-law popped off something to me about how we didn't do it that way or we didn't worry about things that you do and look, our boys turned out just fine (in reference to me no longer cleaning the litter box). Personally, I find this such a worn out excuse! LEARN, EDUCATE YOURSELF....why stick to the old way(s) when their is proof that there is now a better choice?

But hey....I was probably one of 'those' that you would have felt I nursed my skin kids longer than I should have (10 and 11 months old).

Tammy

[Breny]

I do give my vaccines (5 way) at home. (Purchased from revival only, on ice) I do not start them until my pups are 9 weeks old. This is the vaccine schedule I follow Vaccination Schedule Recommendations For Dogs. I follow this, not because its what "YT" tells me to , but because of what I myself have studied, classes I've taken, and research I've done.

Each parent is given a copy along in their puppy pack with all the information I have studied. And I go through this with them when they are in my home. The pups Health Records are included with everything in writing on what has been performed on the pup along with the pups next scheduled vaccine date. My vet also writes a letter to the new parent confirming.

I personally do not allow puppy visits until my puppies have had their first vaccine. Additionally, members of my own family must be showered with clean clothes on and washed hands. before coming anywhere near my puppies. Anal? So be it.

My pups are also vet checked twice before being released to their new families.

This is what works best for me.

Just thought I would share that

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Breny

I do give my vaccines (5 way) at home. (Purchased from revival only, on ice) I do not start them until my pups are 9 weeks old. This is the vaccine schedule I follow Vaccination Schedule Recommendations For Dogs. I follow this, not because its what "YT" tells me to , but because of what I myself have studied, classes I've taken, and research I've done.

Each parent is given a copy along in their puppy pack with all the information I have studied. And I go through this with them when they are in my home. The pups Health Records are included with everything in writing on what has been performed on the pup along with the pups next scheduled vaccine date. My vet also writes a letter to the new parent confirming.

I personally do not allow puppy visits until my puppies have had their first vaccine. Additionally, members of my own family must be showered with clean clothes on and washed hands. before coming anywhere near my puppies. Anal? So be it.

My pups are also vet checked twice before being released to their new families.

This is what works best for me.

Just thought I would share that

It's what must reputable breeders do.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

That's one of the reasons I like Yorkietalk! You can get breed specific information here!

I agree.

Just because someone has been doing it a certain way.....based on their opinion, doesn't make it correct.

Just as letting pups go between 8 - 9 weeks of age was the way it was done years ago. Things have evolved, we've become more educated. It's all about the pup, not about sales.

Just as I let my mother's call the shots on when to completely wean their babies....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

hand sanitizer doesn't boost their immunities, vaccinations do. mothers immunities are not suppressed because she is already done feeding them herself by time vaccinations are started...i havent seen mothers feed past 7 weeks, except for the occasional "quick drink" ...just like humans breast feeding, some do it longer than necessary in my opinion. not all dogs continue later in the puppies life

my puppies are healthy, happy, social and in loving homes i let mine go around 8-9 weeks old...if i had a small one..which they have all always been close to the same size..i would hold it back but never had that happen. they are all vet checked at 6 weeks after the first vaccination..always a good report..then they are vet checked when the new owner picks them up and always had a good report...so ill stick with what im doing it works for me, my puppies, dogs and clients..but new information is always something to look at

You really didn't take my sanitizing hands as boosting mother's immunities. Every reputable breeder knows they keep the area the puppies are kept as clean and sanitized as possible. That includes sanitizing your hands before handling pups.

Just because you wean your pups at a young age doesn't mean mother's immunities have left their bodies the minute they no longer nurse......They do not begin leaving the pups body until approximately 9 weeks of age. Therefore, giving a pup a vaccination at 6 weeks of age, you are subjecting them to greater danger of contracting diseases.

[smartpuppiepets]

Originally Posted by Breny

I do give my vaccines (5 way) at home. (Purchased from revival only, on ice) I do not start them until my pups are 9 weeks old. This is the vaccine schedule I follow Vaccination Schedule Recommendations For Dogs. I follow this, not because its what "YT" tells me to , but because of what I myself have studied, classes I've taken, and research I've done.

Each parent is given a copy along in their puppy pack with all the information I have studied. And I go through this with them when they are in my home. The pups Health Records are included with everything in writing on what has been performed on the pup along with the pups next scheduled vaccine date. My vet also writes a letter to the new parent confirming.

I personally do not allow puppy visits until my puppies have had their first vaccine. Additionally, members of my own family must be showered with clean clothes on and washed hands. before coming anywhere near my puppies. Anal? So be it.

My pups are also vet checked twice before being released to their new families.

This is what works best for me.

Just thought I would share that

Good Answer and nice way to put things.

I would add that every breeder SHOULD BE REPUTABLE and do the right thing !
It is just very UNFORTUNATE that reputable breeders stand from other breeders ... if EVERY BREEDER was just as careful, responsible and engaged we would not need to use the term "reputable breeder " anymore, but until then ... there will be people breeding ... and people who care enough to breed responsibly !

I read the entire thread, and i must add that not too long ago, maybe a couple years ago, Purina mailed to everyone subscribed on the proclub, the results of an extensive research about vaccine reactions and statistic numbers confirming on a lab study that overdoing vaccines is just as bad as not doing it at all. Overdoing it can cause so much damage to immune system of a tiny puppy. They do not take away the merit of having done vaccination as did for years, but after the research they were recommending a more conscious spaced out schedule.

We need to be on top of things ! And be open for change as long it is a change for the better !
XOXO

[YorkieRose]

Unless we follow all pups from birth to death, we can not say we never see any problems. Many problems do not surface the first year..but in the course of the dogs life we see a decline of health.

I have had two breeders recently mention they were losing adults at 6 to 8 yrs. What was going on...I do not know, but I have been so fortunate to have a 13 to 15 yr life span for most of my Yorkies...16 and 17 on occasion.
I have lost a few at 9 to 10, but this is not the norm...

I have followed this thread because of the seriousness of the subject...and it keeps coming back to this..many vets and breeders are clueless...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Unless we follow all pups from birth to death, we can not say we never see any problems. Many problems do not surface the first year..but in the course of the dogs life we see a decline of health.

I have had two breeders recently mention they were losing adults at 6 to 8 yrs. What was going on...I do not know, but I have been so fortunate to have a 13 to 15 yr life span for most of my Yorkies...16 and 17 on occasion.
I have lost a few at 9 to 10, but this is not the norm...

I have followed this thread because of the seriousness of the subject...and it keeps coming back to this..many vets and breeders are clueless...

Pat,

It's bad enough that breeders don't really educate themselfs prior to breeding, but, to close one's eyes just because that's the way it's been done. A good breeder is learning continously.

I've heard of some vets that still follow the old method of giving vaccines at 6 weeks of age, I've been fortunate enough not to come in contact with one.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Pat,

It's bad enough that breeders don't really educate themselfs prior to breeding, but, to close one's eyes just because that's the way it's been done. A good breeder is learning continously.

I've heard of some vets that still follow the old method of giving vaccines at 6 weeks of age, I've been fortunate enough not to come in contact with one.

This is so true! Probably the best thing I learned in school is how to evaluate a "source" of information. Sure lots of people have different "opinions" on how to do things, but not all opinions are of equal value.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

This is so true! Probably the best thing I learned in school is how to evaluate a "source" of information. Sure lots of people have different "opinions" on how to do things, but not all opinions are of equal value.

Well you know what they say about opinions

I don't think anyone should base what they do on opinions, it should be done on facts, education and experience.......

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Well you know what they say about opinions

I don't think anyone should base what they do on opinions, it should be done on facts, education and experience.......

Yes, but we should use facts, education and experience to form those opinions!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Tammy, I think that people have become so immune to what goes into their pet's body because vets have for so long done shots at 6 weeks. But it's not a good excuse/reason for someone to say, "Well, this is what we have always done and I haven't seen any problems thus far.". I am confused as to why someone would not WANT to learn a better way. You know, this is a little off-topic, but when I was pregnant, my father-in-law popped off something to me about how we didn't do it that way or we didn't worry about things that you do and look, our boys turned out just fine (in reference to me no longer cleaning the litter box). Personally, I find this such a worn out excuse! LEARN, EDUCATE YOURSELF....why stick to the old way(s) when their is proof that there is now a better choice?

But hey....I was probably one of 'those' that you would have felt I nursed my skin kids longer than I should have (10 and 11 months old).

Tammy

On the other hand sometimes we do need to take a step backwards.

As a child, we always had as dog that roamed the entire farm, came into contact with all sorts of animals and lived long healthy lives. they never had a shot, nor were they treaed for fleas or worms. And I don't recall them every having fleas or worms. And I might add, they were all fed table scraps and given milk to drink, straight from the cow.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

I understand your point, but I feel that IS MY DUTY to explain to my parents how and why we vaccinate the way we do, I am sure that other breeders, and like you say puppy millers and BYB, vaccinate too, I still feel that I NEED to arm my parents with the information and paperwork to back up my statements. I give in a puppy packet a copy of Dr.Dodd's vaccine protocols, maybe I am wrong but is been working for me and my parents I think Any information that the parents get and they can share with their vet is necessary for the benefit of the pup.
that is all I have to say.

I explain the vaccinations also and provide them with Dr Dodds schecdule. the reason I do is because they want to know why they have not had at least 2 shots by 10 weeks.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Tammy, I think that people have become so immune to what goes into their pet's body because vets have for so long done shots at 6 weeks. But it's not a good excuse/reason for someone to say, "Well, this is what we have always done and I haven't seen any problems thus far.". I am confused as to why someone would not WANT to learn a better way. You know, this is a little off-topic, but when I was pregnant, my father-in-law popped off something to me about how we didn't do it that way or we didn't worry about things that you do and look, our boys turned out just fine (in reference to me no longer cleaning the litter box). Personally, I find this such a worn out excuse! LEARN, EDUCATE YOURSELF....why stick to the old way(s) when their is proof that there is now a better choice?

But hey....I was probably one of 'those' that you would have felt I nursed my skin kids longer than I should have (10 and 11 months old).

Tammy

nope on the nursing was for the 2yr +

i see what you are saying..and i get your point of view...i dont use it as an excuse..that just how i do my vaccinations