Spike has no papers......

[eensor]

Originally Posted by Deviousfred

So because AKC won't give me a piece of paper I shouldn't breed him??? If AKC is as good as most poeple make them out to be, why don't they do blood work or similar things to determine a bloodline or "recessive genetic traits?"

No. You should not breed him because you don't know what the genetics of his offspring might have. You could inadvertently be causing lots of suffering for more dogs if they have genetic problems. He will also be healthier and happier if you get him neutered.

[CC's]

Its up to the dog owner to do all the tests needed for studding. AKC is the registry to back up the dog heritage only.

If you don't have any background knowledge of your dog you should have at least X-rays of knees, blood work to check functions, bile acid testing, eye exam, Brucellosis check, make sure he is free from any heart murmur.

I have to say IMO though that any Humane Society who lets an employee send out an unaltered animal needs reviewed.

This dog may have been there due to a problem. Some Yorkies are dumped because owners find out there is a health problem they don't want to pay for. You won't know unless you do a complete health exam with tests.

[rrosenberry]

Originally Posted by CC's

Its up to the dog owner to do all the tests needed for studding. AKC is the registry to back up the dog heritage only.

If you don't have any background knowledge of your dog you should have at least X-rays of knees, blood work to check functions, bile acid testing, eye exam, Brucellosis check, make sure he is free from any heart murmur.

I have to say IMO though that any Humane Society who lets an employee send out an unaltered animal needs reviewed.

This dog may have been there due to a problem. Some Yorkies are dumped because owners find out there is a health problem they don't want to pay for. You won't know unless you do a complete health exam with tests.

Thats exactly what I was thinking.. abt a Yorkie being dumped,,, it just doesnt happen,often, In all my years,, I have NEVER seen a Yorkie at our pound,, barely ,any small dogs at all, because there is such a demand, and waiting lists. I would WONDER why and how this dog got to the pound,, Has your vet seen him and checked him out completely? IMO I wouldnt want to chance what could happen if he is bred. Too many question marks.

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by Deviousfred

So because AKC won't give me a piece of paper I shouldn't breed him??? If AKC is as good as most poeple make them out to be, why don't they do blood work or similar things to determine a bloodline or "recessive genetic traits?"

AKC does have DNA testing available, but it will only determine or rule out parentage. AKC registration is only a small point when it comes to choosing to breed or not. Unfortunately, science has not as yet given us the tools to determine which problematic genes may be carrying traits that breeders would like to eliminate. Therefore, it requires an enormous amount of research into the health backgrounds of each breeding dog we use to try to eliminate the problems that may be carried by our 'healthy' breeding dogs. We look back at parents, siblings, grandparents, great-grandparents etc... as far back as possible on both sides to try to make sure we are not bringing forward any of the myriad problems with health. A good breeder should be familiar with genetics and all the possible health problems common to the breed. Do you know about portosystemic shunt, luxating patellas, collapsing tracheas, Legg-calve perthes, heart murmurs, open fontanels...just to scratch the surface?
You say you just want another puppy, what is your responsibility to any other pups produced from the mating? Or any pups they produce if allowed to be bred by whoever gets them, and so on and so on. They will be on the planet because of a choice you made.
food for thought.

[chipperdancing]

Originally Posted by Deviousfred

I'm fairly new here and have recently thought about studding Spike. Only thing is, I have no paperwork for Spike. Spike is 3 years old and weighs under 2 pounds. No question in my mind he is a pure-bred. Can I get paperwork for him somehow? How much do you think I could charge to stud?

Hello,
I'm new here, too. But I have an 11 year old, no papers, no past, but VERY NEUTERED Yorkie, "Chipper". Chipper's hypoglycemic so we had him neutered at six months. Now we have a little girl Yorkie, "Mini", due to whelp on October 24th. The 'ol man, Chipper, started humping on her when she first came in season, and still does! Nothing downstairs, but I guess it's still upstairs.

Breed him? Yes! Lots of people want tiny's. But do get a Vet Good Bill of Health for both your stud and the female you find. These AKC Yorkie puppies are selling now for a bloody fortune, but there are A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WANT A MINI YORKIE AS A PET. And, will pay $300-$500. So, either charge $150 the first time ... no guarantee he's viable ... or take pick of litter, and sell the puppy.

I know a lot of Breeders do not want unpapered Yorkies out there ... but, c'mon, not a lot of people (who would make wonderful owners) can afford the prices!

[Gazou]

What are the reasons to use him at stud ?

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by GurleyGirl

I think the CKC (Continental Kennel Club) will register your dog with pictures of your dog and 2 witnesses signing their form stating your dog is a yorkie... (I have a copy of the form here that I am reading...there is a witness section if your dog is over 6 months old). You can get the form online ... do a search on Continental Kennel Club. You can call the various registries and check with them... CKC, ACA, APRI and see what their policies for registering are.

Hope this helps!

I was going to say the same thing.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by Deviousfred

I really know nothing about his line. I saved Spike from the Humane Society and found absolutley nothing about his past. He is very healthy. I want to breed him because I think he needs to. He humps a couple of dogs from the neighborhood when he play with them. And if he is, I figured I might as well charge a stud fee.

he came from a humane society and they didn't neuter him first? that seems very odd to me.

nevermind...I saw that you answered that question. however, just because he humps everything doesn't mean that he needs to be bred. you know nothing of his past, what kind of traits he may carry.

[feminvstr]

alternatives or not...because he humps everything in site doesnt validate his quality or worthiness. You know NOTHING of his background, turning him loose recklessly to breed is irresponsible! What concerns me is your comment "Because he humps everything in sight, why shouldnt you get paid for it" tells me you need to think this over and over and over again and wake up thinking youve made the right decision, let your conscience guide you and never forget he was a rescue and obviously there was a reason for that. Keep in mind you may be responsible for the next 12 yorkies or mix breeds available in rescue because you know nothing about his lineage, that being said, should give you a clue NOT studding him is the right answer. I might add MOST breeders worth their salt would find out he has no background and NEVER use him. So if you want to be serious about studding find a great representation to the breed with a desireable pedigree, study and know his background well and begin your studding reputation with knowledge not tarnish or GREED (offering a rescue)!

[Diego]

I am working in a dog shelter and I never saw a dog needing to be bred . Most of the time , it is the persons needing $ . He may be cute but shelters are full of cute dogs .

[centralnewyorki]

I know a lot of men that go around humping anything that moves and many of them have no place reproducing!! Just becaus your little guy is humping doesn't mean that he needs to be or should be bred.

I'm not a breeder, just an animal and yorkie lover. If you don't have any information on your pup's lineage, please reconsider breeding him. He could have awful health problems that you're unaware of. Imagine having to put him down because of a terminal health problem. Now imagine dozens of other yorkie owners having to do the same thing because you bred an animal without full knowledge of his genetics. My cousin and her husband are faced with having to put down their dog this weekend because of cancer- something that the vets believe is genetic. Their breeder is amazing and has 25 years of experience, but this popped up. They are so devestated to be losing their 2 1/2 year old baby. Please don't put others through the same pain that they're experiencing.

[whispersmom2]

Is it at all possible that this is yet another flame bait post? I have read and re-read the answers to the questions. They are, well, not quite what I would expect them to be. It is one of those things I just can't put my finger on.
I hope the "friend" was booted out of the shelter! And, I would hope that you as an owner would spend some time educating yourself about the responsibilities and results of putting 2 dogs together and making puppies..

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by chipperdancing

Breed him? Yes! Lots of people want tiny's. But do get a Vet Good Bill of Health for both your stud and the female you find. These AKC Yorkie puppies are selling now for a bloody fortune, but there are A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WANT A MINI YORKIE AS A PET. And, will pay $300-$500. So, either charge $150 the first time ... no guarantee he's viable ... or take pick of litter, and sell the puppy.

I know a lot of Breeders do not want unpapered Yorkies out there ... but, c'mon, not a lot of people (who would make wonderful owners) can afford the prices!

I am just going to suggest that someone needs to do some homework before they dispense advice.

[Gazou]

1 irresponsible owner + another irresponsible owner = too many dogs in shelters.

[ytsirk27]

Dumb dumb dumb!!!!!!!! Why would you want to help put alot of POSSIBLE sick dogs out there........you need to think with your brain...not the dollar signs in her eyes!!!