Awwwwwww Thank You Mary that means a lot to me :) I can be a b**** but I do have social skills I'm just blunt plain and simple and if that is seen as lack of social skills dont' ask my opinion :) Love you Mary! And you do know I can be a witch LOL....

I'm pretty tactful with people...but, find myself loosing patience when people debate a subject that don't have all their facts to back them up. I usually don't debate unless I have my facts together.

I've never had a newly docked tail bleed, a pup wimper yes.....

Wow, all mine bled and the dew claws also. The poor Mommy's used to spend the rest of the day licking and cleaning the wounds. All the pups squealed badly and I mean "squealed". There's just no way I could call it a "whimper". I found it very distressing. This was with two different vet's, both of which did not approve of docking, they made it quite clear that they would be happy when it was banned.

Couldn't you find a vet who approved of it? I wouldn't want to use a vet that didn't approve of a procedure he was doing. How did they feel about dewclaw removal?

Never had a problem like that what so ever. Applying pressure inhibits the bleeding, I apply pressure with my thumb and index finger and hold, apply surgical adhesive and slowly release Dew Claws if done correctly should draw no blood, I immediately use a Silver Nitrate stick to inhibit the flow of blood and add a drop of surgical glue (Clotisol), place the pup in a small box, lined and padded with soft, warm material. The box is placed on a table, right beside me (so, that I can monitor), under a heat lamp. Once all the pups are done, I bring mom in and place her into the whelping box and put the pups to her.......None of my girls have ever even noticed that anything is different.....at the most they will diaper them........

Plain and simple, no. Most vets over there were against the procedure and viewed it as nothing more than "cosmetic surgery". The same with dewclaws. The one I have now has had his dewclaws for nearly sixteen years and it hasn't done him any harm at all. It's really not necessary.

Are you a vet?

Nope, but taught by one.....

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were from England. I'm glad you haven't had any problem with dewclaws. Although docking is done regularly here, dewclaws are often left as is, and we have had several members whose dogs have had them ripped off, one just a couple of weeks ago. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...s-dewclaw.html

LOL...she's not. But seeing as she have problems the unfortunate experiences that you have described as having, that doesn't say very much about your vet does it?

Mary is right on the procedure and right about that they should not bleed. I was a vet tech for many years and we did tails and dewclaws weekly for our breeder clients. I have been breeding for 30 years and never once had a problem. The problem arises when people think they know how to do and are not shown by an expert. If you are going to do this procedure and you do not know how or never have done it before have your vet show you how. Now most vets really do not know the correct length to dock them at for show. I have seen too many vets docking them way too short. I had to teach my vet the correct length. They just cannot know the correct length for every breed. And I heard someone mention rubber bands - this is really not used any longer, nor should be done with this method - JMHO.

Donna - I know her personally too and she is a great person. She just really cares about the breed!

and well... it does get tired after awhile having to explain things over and over again. People want a quick answer or make comments they know nothing about and do not do their research first like they should. People just open their mouths now and do not want to take the time, like they should. Open mouth insert foot!

I just find having 3 threads on this topic overdone. I hope the admin with lock all these now since it is so overdone. I think everyone has expressed their feelings and not much more can be said on this topic. It is time to move on. Not too much we can do here in America with the way things are stated at this time. We show to prove breed worthy. If you do not show - then you have an option not to dock. Plain and simple. The one with all the other posts - I assume that you brought you dog from someone that does not show and had an option to buy a dog with undocked tail.

This was for Friscomom - "The one with all the other posts - I assume that you brought your dog from someone that does not show and had an option to buy a dog with undocked tail."

No problem. I understand that there of course can be problems with dew claws being harmed but no more than there is with all the other nails The other nails aren't removed so I don't agree that dew claws should be removed either. There are many humans who have lost and damaged nails also. I'm pleased that here dew claws are left as is.