Questions for breeders about heats part II

[topknot]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

im thinking my time line is off..i need to look at the paper work i think the first list was jan 07

On your website -you stated her first litter was Jan. 2008. I think it was in your gallery. Yep - Gallery - http://tammyspuppiesandmore.webs.com/gallery.htm

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i breed because i enjoy it
what ever profit is made goes back into my breeding..when i stated i cant afford things like some breeders is that i cant purchase akc, top breeds just off the back of my hand...but i do keep money from the pups litters for vet cost..and i save for future yorkies

money is in NO way more then gidget

my soul is with the breed and my yorkies..thank you....

i have been on this site a long time..and i know how things can be taken out of context and mis read and people will see something in the post and go into another direction.

i know this is a public forum but i would perfer not to be judged on my moral responsibilities to my dogs. they are my heart. they do mean the world to me. if i didnt care i wouldnt be on here asking for information on what i might possible be dealing with.

I wasn't going to post either but I cannot agree with the breeding of mixed breed dogs just because you like to breed. Maybe, if you like whelping or just having puppies around, perhaps your local humane society or rescue organization may be looking for foster moms for a girl that is already pregnant or already has a litter. What's done is done, but IMO there is no point in adding to pet over population.

Audrey

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

the bad heart mumor was a different dog

she went into heat in sept..tied with a 6 month old male had a false pregnancy..that was confirmed in Nov...now in Jan i have had 2 come into heat..one that i will not breed because of the heart mumor who can not be spayed due to the mumor per my vet. and gidget the one that just had a false pregnancy. im am working to keep them separated with crates buy my 2 year old likes to let them out..so they did tie once here in jan but i think its pretty early on in her heat so im confused that the actually tied allready. i was wondering if the reason she went into heat again is because my other female is on her cycle.

my vet did tell me that wether they bred or not the body automatically takes on the role of pregnancy and she stated that all dogs that go through the heat cycles have false pregnancy.

i guess my thought is i dont want to jump the gun..if she is just in heat because the other female is

she is in no pain my sister has had them in know they hurt
im not even sure she has a cycst..all the vet did was bring it up...nothing has been diagnoised we dont even know if there is anything to worry about


by the way my site hasnt been touched in a while..i need to delete it

How do you know she's in no pain. If you are familiar with canine behavior, they hide their pain very well, they do not want to sucumb to the other dogs. And they will take her down if they know she is ill.

i also have 2 young kids that like to open the crate doors and let the "puppies" out thats how accidents happen ..i think i need to invest in locks

You also mentioned the above......and of course you mentioned something about rescue not placing dogs in homes with children, I don't either.......the above is one of the reasons why.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I've had ovarian and uterine cysts.....very, very painful. My doctor immediately recommonded an ultra sound to investigate the intensity of what was going on with me internally. The whole situation resulted in a hysterectomy.

These wee ones don't have a voice.....so, the very much depend on us to make sure their welfare is taken care of......Most General Practictioner vets are not specialists in canine reproduction.

You are so right Mary - as a vet tech before, I know of this. Each vet has their own interest and expertise. You have to check and ask them what they specialize in. Our babies cannot speak for themselves, all they have is us to speak for them and get action when needed to help them.

And no - she did not come into heat because of the other girls. Something is up with her health.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by topknot

You are so right Mary - as a vet tech before, I know of this. Each vet has their own interest and expertise. You have to check and ask them what they specialize in. Our babies cannot speak for themselves, all they have is us to speak for them and get action when needed to help them.

And no - she did not come into heat because of the other girls. Something is up with her health.

Usually a girl will bring another girl into heat if they are somewhat on the same cycle......

Even if one studies, genetics, breeding and whelping....there is more to study; canine behavior, training, grooming.....etc.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

How do you know she's in no pain. If you are familiar with canine behavior, they hide their pain very well, they do not want to sucumb to the other dogs. And they will take her down if they know she is ill.




You also mentioned the above......and of course you mentioned something about rescue not placing dogs in homes with children, I don't either.......the above is one of the reasons why.

I don't place with small children either and I believe if you breed you shouldn't have small children. Breeding and having young children in my opinion does NOT go hand in hand. Raising children is a full time job with extra activities going on you don't have time to raise litters. Kids should always come before raising puppies IMHO....raise your kids first and then if you want to breed for the betterment of the breed wait till the children are grown!!!

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Usually a girl will bring another girl into heat if they are somewhat on the same cycle......

Even if one studies, genetics, breeding and whelping....there is more to study; canine behavior, training, grooming.....etc.

Yep, know this, but she stated that she was just in heat 4 months ago. So going by that, I would say not normal to go into heat again so soon. All my 4 girls came into heat back in Nov. all at the same time, by a few days apart. My poor boys - so I know how girls can bring one another in. I am so glad it is over with. I keep my boys seperate during those times, as not to have an accident. They are in sperate parts of the house, but the boys still know. My casanovas! LOL

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by topknot

Yep, know this, but she stated that she was just in heat 4 months ago. So going by that, I would say not normal to go into heat again so soon. All my 4 girls came into heat back in Nov. all at the same time, by a few days apart. My poor boys - so I know how girls can bring one another in. I am so glad it is over with. I keep my boys seperate during those times, as not to have an accident. They are in sperate parts of the house, but the boys still know. My casanovas! LOL

Tina,

Breeding is not my favorite thing to do. I do it very sparingly, because I hate that my decision may cause my girls difficulties. Nothing breaks my heart more than to see those contractions going through my girls.....their little bodies stretching and pushing.....

I agree with coming into season so soon....there is definately something wrong.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by topknot

I guess my point too is there has been a lot of mistakes - whether they were caused by your two year old, ultimately the parent/breeder is responsible. You need to make sure this does not happen. You need to figure out how to be responsible. AKC does not like mistakes. Having a 6 month old breed - not good. Breeding mixes, twice is not good either (hope she is spayed now). I know how hard it is to keep young ones seperate from your dogs - the same reason I took a break when I had a family of my own. All I was doing was being a ref. to keep them both sperate for my dogs safety. It was not fair to my kids or the dogs. you cannot cage them all the time. Not fair to your dogs. I know you love them, but if you are going to be a breeder, you have to be cautious.

For your girl to come back in heat so soon, something is up with her system that needs to be checked out.

my dogs are not crated all the time..now that there are 2 females in heat that i do not want to breed they take turns in the crate during the day..ones out for about 2 hours the other is up in the crate then at night as always the sleep in their crates..when no one is in heat they have run of the house during the day and crated in my bedroom at night.

no i am not breeding the mix now. due to health and safety. who can not be spayed because of her health..BUT i did breed her 2 times. and i know that akc and other ppl do not like the mixes but i do and so do other people. i had no problem placing them before they were born. i am still asked for puppies...


i know that the 6 month old is a no no..i was surprised she looked pregnant but the false part made since with his age. akc wouldnt have been involved since the female is not akc.

i had a mistake with the yorkiepom 2 or 3 years ago
and now while trying to keep the yorkies parted my son let them out..still my fault but still an accident i dont think it makes me irresponsible. i was in one room washing dishes and my oldest tells me the youngest let them out and they were stuck...

yes i have kids but im home all day and i dont think i should give up what i love because of kids. this is my hobby and joy. i dont do it for anyone else. if my pet is in jeoparody then i will retire her and start anew. but that hasnt been established yet and i dont want her to breed until the next heat if its determinded safe.

but i will be talking to the vet and will discuss whats best for her. at this time their advice was to wait...but i will talk further with them

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by topknot

On your website -you stated her first litter was Jan. 2008. I think it was in your gallery. Yep - Gallery - Tammy's Yorkies & More - Gallery

im not disagreeing with whats posted that i need to check dates

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Tina,

Breeding is not my favorite thing to do. I do it very sparingly, because I hate that my decision may cause my girls difficulties. Nothing breaks my heart more than to see those contractions going through my girls.....their little bodies stretching and pushing.....

I agree with coming into season so soon....there is definately something wrong.

Thanks Mary! I am with you too - I hate the breeding part. If I could - I would never breed. I lost my last litter and it tore me to pieces. They were born too soon. They tried to hold on, but lost them one by one and I had one of my mentors (an expert) help me keep them going. But in the end, they were not ready for the world. I am sooo thankful my moma, my first champion, made it fine. She so missed her babies though and looked for them for days after they were gone. I cried for her pain. It was so sad. I hate it! Reason I do not breed often either.

Donna - I agree with you - just from my own experience. Hey, and I tried it, since I was an expert with yorkies before my kids came. I thought I could handle it! Wrong! I could not do it either in the end. So I took a break and now that my kids are all grown, I returned to my yorkies. For the betterment of the breed/dogs, I placed my dogs first always and myself last.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

I wasn't going to post either but I cannot agree with the breeding of mixed breed dogs just because you like to breed. Maybe, if you like whelping or just having puppies around, perhaps your local humane society or rescue organization may be looking for foster moms for a girl that is already pregnant or already has a litter. What's done is done, but IMO there is no point in adding to pet over population.

Audrey

my post is not about mixing and the debate on it

and i mean this with all due respect please dont start a mix debate on this post. this is not what i intended the topic to be.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by topknot

Thanks Mary! I am with you too - I hate the breeding part. If I could - I would never breed. I lost my last litter and it tore me to pieces. They were born too soon. They tried to hold on, but lost them one by one and I had one of my mentors (an expert) help me keep them going. But in the end, they were not ready for the world. I am sooo thankful my moma, my first champion, made it fine. She so missed her babies though and looked for them for days after they were gone. I cried for her pain. It was so sad. I hate it! Reason I do not breed often either.

Donna - I agree with you - just form my own experience. Hey, and I tried it, since I was an expert with yorkies before my kids came. I thought I could handle it! Wrong! I could not do it either in the end. So I took a break and now that my kids are all grown, I returned to my yorkies. For the betterment of the breed/dogs, I placed my dogs first always and myself last.

Tina,

I lost 2 one of my last litters......born prematurely too.....I was able to save a boy and girl......But, since it was the first time it happened to me.....I was tore up inside.......Their mother is due to be spade, as this was her 2nd premature litter.....I'm not gonna chance it again.

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

im thinking my time line is off..i need to look at the paper work i think the first list was jan 07

Hopefully it was January 2008 as this dog's birthday is September 2006 according to the website, there seems to be a LOT of confusion here.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

How do you know she's in no pain. If you are familiar with canine behavior, they hide their pain very well, they do not want to sucumb to the other dogs. And they will take her down if they know she is ill.


this is my dog, and she is the alpha dog here. she is not in pain i know her. she was just at the vet on friday

You also mentioned the above......and of course you mentioned something about rescue not placing dogs in homes with children, I don't either.......the above is one of the reasons why.

and thats your right..i dont think its fair to restrict families..thats one reason why i breed and dont have that restriction ( i know tones can be taken incorrectly on here so i wanted to add that i meant this in a nice agree to disagree way =)