Does anyone know of any Parti/ Parti carrier breeder in Maine or New Hampshire

[chachi]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Jeannie - I believe this is just wrong to post this on this thread. You imply all showbreeders as not reputable and that is simply not the truth. There are good breeders and bad breeders in the showring and as Hobby breeders. You might want to go read what happened because of this exposed and how many breeds have been helped.

And the Hobby breeders were doing the same thing if they were like you said...they breed for standard but just don't show. I personally believe you need to ask ADM to delete your post.

How would you like it if the show breeders on here insinuated all hobby breeders are unreputable

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I belong to the YTCA and we do not condone the Parti yorkie as you can not show it in conformation as it will be DQ'ed. I think all that are related to the yorkie are adorable and sometimes beautiful but I DO breed to the AKC/YTCA standard as closely as possible and not for parti's, goldens or chocolate. If you want a parti, look for one but you will not find a parti yorkie to my knowledge on the YTCA.org website as breeders. Yes, we have not so reputable breeders in YTCA but if you adhere to the code of conduct and code of ethics you will NOT find a YTCA breeder selling parti's.....
I'm not talking show dogs here either just stating not every pup in the litter will be of show quality so hence pet quality for the pet owner

Donna Bird

Raymond Antonucci bred Yorkshire terriers under the prefix Parquins. He also bred and showed Parti's...I saw him show a Parti with my own eyes at an IBCA show.

I also agree you will not find Parti's on the YTCA website.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Raymond Antonucci bred Yorkshire terriers under the prefix Parquins. He also bred and showed Parti's...I saw him show a Parti with my own eyes at an IBCA show.

I also agree you will not find Parti's on the YTCA website.

IBCA is not the same as an AKC show and I don't show IBCA only AKC and I go by the AKC/YTCA standard for showing and the YTCA added the DQ to keep the Parti out of the ring. I know Parquin and although he might have shown Parti's it's not correct in an AKC show nor is it to breed standard set forth by the AKC and the YTCA. Like all breeds there will be genetic faults within a breed and color is no exception
While I think the parti is pretty and cute I still stand behind my belief they shouldn't be bred

Donna

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by AMD

Sorry, I didn't mean that the way it came across. It was not my intent to make an offensive statement... and I apologize if if was taken offensively. I just wanted to suggest the YTCA as a place to start searching for a reputable breeder. And as far as a Parti, you'll have to look elsewhere because those breeders generally have dogs in the ring so you aren't going to find a Parti since the AKC has identified white coat as a DQ. I always encourage any puppy buyer to do extensive research on any breeder. I think some of the parti yorkies are beautiful, and I know first hand how well Livi can model.

It's okay. I, too, have written things that maybe came across differently than intended.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Jeannie - I believe this is just wrong to post this on this thread. You imply all showbreeders as not reputable and that is simply not the truth. There are good breeders and bad breeders in the showring and as Hobby breeders. You might want to go read what happened because of this exposed and how many breeds have been helped.

And the Hobby breeders were doing the same thing if they were like you said...they breed for standard but just don't show. I personally believe you need to ask ADM to delete your post.

The only thing implied is that not all show breeders are reputable breeders.

This video does imply that ALL show breeders are bad nor does it imply that all purebred dogs are bad. It only implies that some clubs refuse to change their standard eventhough they know the standard is causing health issues.

And that not all show breeders are breeding to better the breed as they will tell you they are.

When a person states that reputable breeders do not breed partis, that is a fair post to let people know that not all show breeders are reputable.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

IBCA is not the same as an AKC show and I don't show IBCA only AKC and I go by the AKC/YTCA standard for showing and the YTCA added the DQ to keep the Parti out of the ring. I know Parquin and although he might have shown Parti's it's not correct in an AKC show nor is it to breed standard set forth by the AKC and the YTCA. Like all breeds there will be genetic faults within a breed and color is no exception
While I think the parti is pretty and cute I still stand behind my belief they shouldn't be bred

Donna

And this type of thinking is exactly why so many breeds have issues today. Breeding to the standard does not necessarily produce a better dog.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by chachi

How would you like it if the show breeders on here insinuated all hobby breeders are unreputable

LOL like they have never done that??????????

If you watch the video, it in no way inplies that all show breeders are disreputable. It only sows that breeding to the standard does not always mean improving the breed.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

The only thing implied is that not all show breeders are reputable breeders.

This video does imply that ALL show breeders are bad nor does it imply that all purebred dogs are bad. It only implies that some clubs refuse to change their standard eventhough they know the standard is causing health issues.

And that not all show breeders are breeding to better the breed as they will tell you they are.

When a person states that reputable breeders do not breed partis, that is a fair post to let people know that not all show breeders are reputable.

It goes both ways and most of us have stated that not everyone is reputable when they say they are...AND I do not breed Parti's and I am a show breeder that I believe is pretty reputable but as I've said before please check me out I have nothing to hide

Donna

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And this type of thinking is exactly why so many breeds have issues today. Breeding to the standard does not necessarily produce a better dog.

I"m not gonna argue with you as you are involved with Parti's and will not see that you are deivating away from the yorkie standard as you'll never see what I believe so we'll just agree to disagree with each other. Breeding Parti's doesn't mean you are producing a better dog as well

Donna

[chachi]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

LOL like they have never done that??????????

If you watch the video, it in no way inplies that all show breeders are disreputable. It only sows that breeding to the standard does not always mean improving the breed.

The breeds that showed to have problems werent even yorkies and you implied YTCA were having this problem where thats unproven and reaching. The only thing Ive seen the show breeders say is that they think partis should not be breed. If they are following the YTCA code of conduct they have to say that. I know you dont follow that and feel partis should be bred but you cant blame them for following the mother club code of conduct

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by chachi

the breeds that showed to have problems werent even yorkies and you implied ytca were having this problem where thats unproven and reaching. The only thing ive seen the show breeders say is that they think partis should not be breed. If they are following the ytca code of conduct they have to say that. I know you dont follow that and feel partis should be bred but you cant blame them for following the mother club code of conduct

thank you!!!!!

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I"m not gonna argue with you as you are involved with Parti's and will not see that you are deivating away from the yorkie standard as you'll never see what I believe so we'll just agree to disagree with each other. Breeding Parti's doesn't mean you are producing a better dog as well

Donna

Let me add this....if you breed RIGHT you shouldn't have issues within the breed and that goes for every breed....I advocate breeding correctly which means all the health testing available, checking the knees, hips, heart ect....the yorkie breed doesn't have most of the issues that video is showing...and of course in EVERY breed you are going to have those that do NOT breed correctly to achieve what "THEY" think is correct. I"ve always said everyone interputs a standard differently. BUT if it's done correctly with the breed standard followed you shouldn't have a whole lot of issues. That video shows those that do NOT breed correctly and for the soundness of their breed.
It's just showing what we already know in those that are unreputable. But it's not what all show breeders represent as what some would love for everyone to think....Again, we will never get the respect we deserve <sigh>

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Let me add this....if you breed RIGHT you shouldn't have issues within the breed and that goes for every breed....I advocate breeding correctly which means all the health testing available, checking the knees, hips, heart ect....the yorkie breed doesn't have most of the issues that video is showing...and of course in EVERY breed you are going to have those that do NOT breed correctly to achieve what "THEY" think is correct. I"ve always said everyone interputs a standard differently. BUT if it's done correctly with the breed standard followed you shouldn't have a whole lot of issues. That video shows those that do NOT breed correctly and for the soundness of their breed.
It's just showing what we already know in those that are unreputable. But it's not what all show breeders represent as what some would love for everyone to think....Again, we will never get the respect we deserve <sigh>

Now I'm gonna throw a big twister in the conversation and not at your statement Donna........Is anyone aware of how the ability to register Parti's in AKC happened?

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

IBCA is not the same as an AKC show and I don't show IBCA only AKC and I go by the AKC/YTCA standard for showing and the YTCA added the DQ to keep the Parti out of the ring. I know Parquin and although he might have shown Parti's it's not correct in an AKC show nor is it to breed standard set forth by the AKC and the YTCA. Like all breeds there will be genetic faults within a breed and color is no exception
While I think the parti is pretty and cute I still stand behind my belief they shouldn't be bred

Donna

First let me please correct my typing..the shows were IABCA and I am fully aware they are not AKC. I can't say if he was reputable or not but I know his dogs were highly valued..even today. He was fully aware they couldn't be show in AKC but they could be registered as Yorkshire Terriers. The AKC only follows the guidelines of the parent club for showing but obvious it has been proven to the AKC these are Yorkies. Over 35 AKC breeds have the piebald gene in them and many breed clubs accept these dogs.

I am not a breeder but I have been very involved with the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier NOT THE BIEWER TERRIER. Nothing is black and white but the point I was making from the beginning is that just because you are YTCA DOES NOT make you reputable nor does being a Hobby breeder make you reputable.

I strongly disagree with the post Jeannie made and I believe it should be deleted.

Again the dog breeding world is not easy to understand nor is the show world. I understand your standards on the Yorkie but I have found few people that have really studied all of it.

Many of us have said time and time again...it is the breeder who is reputable not the organization they belong to.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Now I'm gonna throw a big twister in the conversation and not at your statement Donna........Is anyone aware of how the ability to register Parti's in AKC happened?

I do. The two woman who fought for the Parti's via their pedigree's proved to the AKC by DNAing over 42 litters that these were Yorkies. AKC is all based on pedigree's and while no one knows for a fact what happened before all of those litters the same could be said for any purebred dog...along with the Yorkies. It was all done on trust in people who registered their litters. The line of dogs from these woman are probably more proven then most litters (lines) in the US of any breed.

If you go back and read AKC meetings you can read about this.