FC's Precious Yorkshire Terriers??? anyone heard of them?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Heather of BFB

I've been following this post and think it's a very interesting topic. I personally have biewers and am new to breeding. As a labor and delivery nurse and one who loves genetics, I wanted to pass this link on about a documentary that is coming out to the states soon. Most of us do want what is best for the breed, but I believe the differences lie in our opinions of what is best.

I personally have no opinion about a particular breeder. I do, however, believe we should be very careful that our personal quests for beauty do not out weigh the overall health of any breed. The documentary is a little long, but well worth it. As I watched what some breeders have done to promote genetic hysteria and heartache within their own breeds, it made me pause and take a look at what is most important to me as a new breeder.

I came away with many more questions needing answered before beginning my program and I think questions are a great place to start. I look at my beautiful little girls cuddled in my lap and want them to produce healthy, strong, babies for generations to enjoy. I don't want a beautiful, fraile (sp?), unhealthy dog that wins in the ring, but at the end of the day has a miserable life and promotes the beginning of the end for this breed.

All that said, I'm coming to find out there are many interpretations for the phrase "for the love of the breed". Great mentors, genetic testing, and trying to breed to correct potential health issues are paramount for all of us who love these precious little dogs. Again, this isn't a dig at any one breeder, just something I think we should all take a good, long, look at whether be are beginning or have been breeders for 20+ yrs. Thank you all for your comments, it helps me put some things in perspective.

Potentially Explosive BBC Doc on Purebreds Set to Air Stateside - Paw Nation

For the love of the breed...

Heather, Lizzy, & Sydni

The documentery has already been aired and being discussed on a couple of other threads.

I don't think that the majority of breeders are breeding with intention of the wins in the ring. Most breeder/exhibitors, exhibit to gain approval of our breeding stock......healthy, beautiful representation of the breed. I just can't phathom why anyone would do otherwise......how sad if that is what breeders are doing.......

[AmyChristine]

Originally Posted by Cerise

I am not a breeder and will never be, but l want to add my opinion here.

However, myself and many other people do have a serious interest in this breed, and of it's future. The baby doll face is cute but breeding to change the look of the Yorkshire Terrier even more, and making it smaller than it is all ready, is careless, selfish, and becoming an obsession. We all like the look of beautiful things and having something unique, but that doesn't mean that it is of better quality, or in the best interest of the breed. These baby doll face tiny dogs may have silky coats but they may be short lived and have other health issues not mentioned.

There are many women who want this baby doll face look, for their future Yorkies. So there are now many breeders going for the green ($$$) in breeding them. I've seen some beautiful Yorkies with a slight baby doll face, but they have been standard size and not as extreme. Changing the shape of the skull IS NOT good and along with the tiny size, will bring about many more serious issues in the future.

It amazing how humans constantly think they are in their right to perfect something that was already a good thing. This constant bothering on a high breed/show level is what was portrayed on the BBC-Pedigree Dogs Exposed documentary last week. If you want to perfect something in the Yorkshire Terrier breed, use common sense and perfect the HEALTH, not cutesiness. The Yorkie rightly owns that image already!

I loved your post.

I think that the main concern when looking at this breeders webpage, which is a representation of what she is striving for is that she is breeding what she likes, with screen of being a show breeder. A good breeder is showing for the purpose of getting aproval of their lines, and is breeding with the standard in mind and for the purpose of bettering the breed (this has been mentioned already I know). Idealy, both the showing and breeding work together creating a wonderful hobby for a person who truly loves and appreciates the breed. This is why a good place to look for a dog of a certain breed should be in someone who is exhibiting the breed and who has shown a good measure of dedication and ethics.

There is no question that this breeders dogs are very pretty. But, I do not get how breeding a 2.5lb male, from any background could posible be bettering the breed. This male produces small puppies as the breeder herself has stated, this is why it is "safe" to breed him to her 4lb female. But I have never seen a 2lb CH dog and this is because no judge in their right mind would approve a 2lb dog for breeding (male or female). I have a very small girl and I think that it is irresponsible to try to get dogs this tiny on purpose. They are alot of work and take many special considerations even when completely healthy.

This breeder in my opinion is not breeding for her self, for her next show dog(because 2-3lb dogs don't do well in the ring). She is breeding to fill a pet market, for the tiny enthusiast, for the people looking for a living "baby doll"

The reason I would suggest the OP look elsewhere is because if it were me I would want to get my stock from the best breeder possible, why buy from a breeder with "greats" in their lines? if you could potentially put in the work and buy from the "greats" themselves. I hope what ever road is taken that she ends up with a fabulous dog.

[Lilyshuman]

Originally Posted by AmyChristine

I hope what ever road is taken that she ends up with a fabulous dog.

Thank you. I appreciate your opinion and point of view!

[joeyandtanksmom]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

I am not impressed. They seem to be breeding small Yorkies. Not good.

I completely agree...I would look elsewhere.

[ilovecherry86]

Judy dostal is a horrible, horrible breeder!!!! She breeders sick dogs, i got my baby cherry from her, she was soooo very sick when she came, she was hospitalized for 2 days, then she ot better but she only lived for 7 months, thanx to judy dostal our whole family was so depressed for the longest time!...ohh and also, after she gets the money from you, she stops emailing you back, or writing really short nasty emails...it's so obvious she is in this for the money!!!!!!!!!!!

[hillies]

Originally Posted by ilovecherry86

Judy dostal is a horrible, horrible breeder!!!! She breeders sick dogs, i got my baby cherry from her, she was soooo very sick when she came, she was hospitalized for 2 days, then she ot better but she only lived for 7 months, thanx to judy dostal our whole family was so depressed for the longest time!...ohh and also, after she gets the money from you, she stops emailing you back, or writing really short nasty emails...it's so obvious she is in this for the money!!!!!!!!!!!

That is heartbreaking. I'm so sorry you had to go through that. But, hopefully by you posting that here others will see it when they search for reviews.

[mizzwanned]

Originally Posted by ilovecherry86

Judy dostal is a horrible, horrible breeder!!!! She breeders sick dogs, i got my baby cherry from her, she was soooo very sick when she came, she was hospitalized for 2 days, then she ot better but she only lived for 7 months, thanx to judy dostal our whole family was so depressed for the longest time!...ohh and also, after she gets the money from you, she stops emailing you back, or writing really short nasty emails...it's so obvious she is in this for the money!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Wow I'm so sorry about Cherry

[trin7]

Originally Posted by Cerise

I am not a breeder and will never be, but l want to add my opinion here.

However, myself and many other people do have a serious interest in this breed, and of it's future. The baby doll face is cute but breeding to change the look of the Yorkshire Terrier even more, and making it smaller than it is all ready, is careless, selfish, and becoming an obsession. We all like the look of beautiful things and having something unique, but that doesn't mean that it is of better quality, or in the best interest of the breed. These baby doll face tiny dogs may have silky coats but they may be short lived and have other health issues not mentioned.

There are many women who want this baby doll face look, for their future Yorkies. So there are now many breeders going for the green ($$$) in breeding them. I've seen some beautiful Yorkies with a slight baby doll face, but they have been standard size and not as extreme. Changing the shape of the skull IS NOT good and along with the tiny size, will bring about many more serious issues in the future.

It amazing how humans constantly think they are in their right to perfect something that was already a good thing. This constant bothering on a high breed/show level is what was portrayed on the BBC-Pedigree Dogs Exposed documentary last week. If you want to perfect something in the Yorkshire Terrier breed, use common sense and perfect the HEALTH, not cutesiness. The Yorkie rightly owns that image already!

Am I mistaken, or wasn't the Yorkshire Terrier originally a much larger dog ?? I also read that most Yorkies had a wooly/cottony coat. Haven't people bred to change the Yorkie for years - I believe this has happened already. To say that people shouldn't change the Yorkie seems a bit funny to me.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by trin7

Am I mistaken, or wasn't the Yorkshire Terrier originally a much larger dog ?? I also read that most Yorkies had a wooly/cottony coat. Haven't people bred to change the Yorkie for years - I believe this has happened already. To say that people shouldn't change the Yorkie seems a bit funny to me.

The yorkie was larger before it was actually established as the Yorkshire Terrier Breed. However, there is now a Standard set forth by the YTCA and AKC. To breed correctly is to breed with the Standard in mind and not breed willy nilly without knowing the ramifications of changing the physical look of the yorkie. Such as breeding doll faced, causes dental issues. Breeding smaller, causes many, many physical problems.......

[trin7]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

The yorkie was larger before it was actually established as the Yorkshire Terrier Breed. However, there is now a Standard set forth by the YTCA and AKC. To breed correctly is to breed with the Standard in mind and not breed willy nilly without knowing the ramifications of changing the physical look of the yorkie. Such as breeding doll faced, causes dental issues. Breeding smaller, causes many, many physical problems.......

Thanks for the information!

[florencelisa]

That's why I personally stick to private breeders who breed towards the standard, not trying to make little dogs because they are in demand and can get more money from them.

It's so much better to have the au natural version rather then a cosmetic one.

[DerbyLayne]

Originally Posted by trin7

Am I mistaken, or wasn't the Yorkshire Terrier originally a much larger dog ?? I also read that most Yorkies had a wooly/cottony coat.

That's my Derby..!

[kaknight]

I found her site a couple weeks ago and emailed about a little girl for a pet. Her price for pet was $4,000 + shipping US Dollars! I am sorry that is just way too much!

[trin7]

Originally Posted by DerbyLayne

That's my Derby..!

Darwin is around 5 - 6 pounds, so not too large but has the beautifully thick, cottony black and gold coat - not standard but I really like how he looks.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by yorkykisses

There are many pups from this breeder here in the US on full reg. Right now TJYorkies have a little boy on puppyfind out of a male from this breeder and her price is only 1500.00. But if you want to purchase for breeding you need to find a reputable mentor who cares about the breed and someone who breeds for the standard and not tiny teacups!

The Breeder you mention has an agreement with FC'S to only sell these dogs with LIMITED registration however, she did not keep her word.