my yorkie is prego, got a few questions

[danny7481]

im sorry your girl uni has a health problem, but dixie does not have any health problems, she has been checked out, so has the daddy. yeah if there is a problem with one of the pups, YES i am prepared to take care of it. theres always risks, i dont care how healthy the dog is, or if it a "champion show dog" , there is ALWAYS a risk, thats a risk EVERYONE takes when breeding.

same as with children, look around, theres all kinds of cancers, swine flu, ect. ect. but me and my late wife (may she rest in peace!!!) still had our son.

i hope you understand where im coming from and im not trying to be hatefull.

[brendah]

I have been following this. Come on everybody. When is enough going to be enough??? The OP came on here with questions and KEEPS getting BASHED over and over again. I am sure I seen apologies. It is scarry to even ask for info it it always turns into a different subject (bashin) I would rather try to educate a person and HELP them as much as I can. How would everybody feel IF this poster has a question reguarding the health of mom or babies BUT won't ask on here again because of the nonsense that don't quit???? We may not all agree on how everybody does things but lets be friendly. Enough is enough already!

[capt_noonie]

LP is a genetic disorder, not a health problem. It does not impede in her day to day living, as liver shunt or pancreatitis would (managing their daily diet for the rest of their lives). LP is luxating patella, and a large percentage of toy breeds have it, not just yorkies, and it ranges from grade 1 to 4, 4 being the worst. It is when the knee caps (patellas) get out of socket due to the groove not being deep enough to hold it in place. Over time it can cause arthritis and pain.

But, I agree with you to some extent, every breeding there is some risk, but the more you know of your dog and it's pedigree, the LESS risk you have in breeding them. The breeder I got Uni from you can call her a borderline byb as I would call you as well. I don't know anything about her grand parents, great grandparents, etc. But what I'm saying is, if you don't know if your dogs are close to standard, why breed them other than the fact of just breeding b/c your mommy pup is beautiful?

And please don't compare children to puppies. As much as I love dogs, and treat them like family, we all know they are not the same as human beings, just look at our laws. Many animal abusers and millers only get charged with misdemeanors IF that. (Not saying you are an abuser, but just bringing up a point.) Many children are brought into this world that do not have homes. Absolutely tragic, but so many families still want to have their own kids instead of adopting. (Not to mention to adopt a human child is about $40,000 IF you are approved) Same with rescues, sometimes it is hard to get approved. Then it is a bit of a high price to adopt, so many people just go the byb route. Sad all around.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by brendah

I have been following this. Come on everybody. When is enough going to be enough??? The OP came on here with questions and KEEPS getting BASHED over and over again. I am sure I seen apologies. It is scarry to even ask for info it it always turns into a different subject (bashin) I would rather try to educate a person and HELP them as much as I can. How would everybody feel IF this poster has a question reguarding the health of mom or babies BUT won't ask on here again because of the nonsense that don't quit???? We may not all agree on how everybody does things but lets be friendly. Enough is enough already!

That is the problem, when people come here asking for answers and get the truth, but they see it as being "bashing".

It is no secret we are a passionate group. If there was no one to speak up about irresponsible breeding of our beloved OVERBRED yorkies, what is to happen to this breed in 50 years? 100 years? Yorkies today have such a varied look to them as it is. We need to spread the word that there are irreputable breeders out there trying to make a fast buck.

How many times have you been asked what breed your dog is? Is it a teacup? Is it a mini? Even, is it a silky? The uneducated public out there just doesnt know, and a lot of them come on here. The more people that we educate, the better. My statements on the yorkie breed are not opinion, they are FACT. You cannot argue with fact.

[brendah]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

That is the problem, when people come here asking for answers and get the truth, but they see it as being "bashing".

It is no secret we are a passionate group. If there was no one to speak up about irresponsible breeding of our beloved OVERBRED yorkies, what is to happen to this breed in 50 years? 100 years? Yorkies today have such a varied look to them as it is. We need to spread the word that there are irreputable breeders out there trying to make a fast buck.

How many times have you been asked what breed your dog is? Is it a teacup? Is it a mini? Even, is it a silky? The uneducated public out there just doesnt know, and a lot of them come on here. The more people that we educate, the better. My statements on the yorkie breed are not opinion, they are FACT. You cannot argue with fact.

I am trying to get it across that this poster has said they were sorry several times. I know that this is a passionate group. It sounds like the OP has learned a lesson. Lets not "push" newbies away. The OP has been involved this whole thread (if the op did not care he/she would have left) I can not imaging how that person feels. I just think the OP realizes what everybody is trying to say. Lets not push our new members away. There is a point when "trying" to educate just turns into being MEAN. There is no reason to let it go this far.

[danny7481]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

That is the problem, when people come here asking for answers and get the truth, but they see it as being "bashing".

It is no secret we are a passionate group. If there was no one to speak up about irresponsible breeding of our beloved OVERBRED yorkies, what is to happen to this breed in 50 years? 100 years? Yorkies today have such a varied look to them as it is. We need to spread the word that there are irreputable breeders out there trying to make a fast buck.

How many times have you been asked what breed your dog is? Is it a teacup? Is it a mini? Even, is it a silky? The uneducated public out there just doesnt know, and a lot of them come on here. The more people that we educate, the better. My statements on the yorkie breed are not opinion, they are FACT. You cannot argue with fact.

theres a difference between being honest and bashing. ive been bashed casue i am so called backyard breeder and my yorkies arent show dogs, well i dont give a damn who thinks my yorkies are show dogs or not, it is what I think about them, thats WHAT COUNTS. ya know i get the vibe from yall that if a yorkie isnt a show dog, well piss on them. is that right, i hope you dont think so. yes i bred my girl cause she is beautiful and cause she is HEALTHY, what is so wrong with bring some healthy pups into this world, not a damn thing. and yes i did bring up children. all the evils in the world, mayeb we all should stop having kids. get over yourself around, quit trying to play god, cause you definitly aint him!

[capt_noonie]

I guess I am not expressing myself effectively. 99% (my guess) of dogs out there are to fill the pet market, ie people who don't care about showing. But, little do we know (yes me included) that shower/exhibitors were the ones who sold their pups who were only "pet quality" to the public, the ones who they thought would not make it into the ring. Yet so many people wanted these dogs that so called "breeders" started popping up eveywhere, to fill the "pet quality" market.

Today, so many people want pet quality, that they buy from anyone, thinking they don't want to show, so who cares about papers? Well, it's not just if you have AKC papers that you can show. It's much more than that. Is your dog even up to the standard? Dogs that are not up to standard should not be bred, period. Including my dear Uni who I think is the most beautiful dog in the world, despite her faults.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by brendah

I am trying to get it across that this poster has said they were sorry several times. I know that this is a passionate group. It sounds like the OP has learned a lesson. Lets not "push" newbies away. The OP has been involved this whole thread (if the op did not care he/she would have left) I can not imaging how that person feels. I just think the OP realizes what everybody is trying to say. Lets not push our new members away. There is a point when "trying" to educate just turns into being MEAN. There is no reason to let it go this far.

You are right. We shall see...

[danny7481]

[QUOTE=capt_noonie;2919430] Is your dog even up to the standard? QUOTE]

yes my dog is up to MY standard, i could care less about anyone elses standard!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by danny7481

you think you should only breed a yorkie if there showdog capable?

Originally Posted by danny7481

well if the dogs owner thinks the dog has the qualifications of a champion, then who cares what everyone elses opinion is, right?

Originally Posted by danny7481

yes my dog is up to MY standard, i could care less about anyone elses standard!

I don't think that anyone is saying that you should only breed if you actively show...but that you should breed to adhere to the standard, which you admit you could care less about.
I know that in your eyes, your girl is the most perfect dog there is. We ALL feel that way about our dogs. But does that mean that every dog *should* be bred....hmmm, no, IMO.
I'll be honest with why people have taken such an "issue" with your situtation, but please, realize that I am only laying it out there so that you aren't sitting back wondering what you did wrong...don't shoot the messenger, as they say!
You joined a short time ago an immediately began asking very BASIC question regarding aspects of breeding.
You stated that you weren't even sure if you wanted to breed, and that if you did it would be "for the experience." (Who's experience? Yours? Your dog's?) In the opinions of many, NOT a good reason to breed.
A very short time after you joined, undecided on if you even wanted to breed, you did and then continued to ask what many consider to be very basic questions regarding breeding--issues that most feel one should be very well familiar with BEFORE breeding. It comes across as if you are breeding without any real preparation or knowledge regarding the overall breeding process.
You have renounced your regard for the breed standard, which most feel is very important.
You have bred a dog that you got from a backyard breeder.
You started offering the dogs for sale when they were less than 24 hrs old.

Basically, in a nutshell, your views on breeding just differ from those of the majority of the members here.

Yes, it is your dog and you have the right to do as you please with your dog and not heed the suggestions and advice of others here, as you have done. But understand that members here also have the right to post up disagreeing with your actions that you have chosen to make public knowledge, as they have done. LOL...I guess it's a good thing that your take is "who cares what everyone else's opinion is?"

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

Remember that only some yorkies live long and happy lifes. There are over 317,000 dogs looking for homes on petfinder, there are over 3000 yorkshire terrier pups for sale on petfind. Not all of these dogs will find great homes. I breed only with hopes of the next show dog for myself and sometimes I find it hard to justify bringing in to this world the one or two pups that I place yearly into wonderful homes. That is one or two wonderful homes that may have rescued a yorkie if they did not purchase from me. I personally can not think of a single reason to breed any dog that does not have the qualities to do well in a show ring, if there are reasons that you know of, please let me know. I do not mean to offend you, I am only trying to point out that just because your girl is beautiful and you have beautiful babies, it will not necessarily do anything to make the world merrier.

I look at it as one or two dogs that would have been bought from a puppy mill if there were no reputable breeders.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by danny7481

ok, this is going to be my last post of the subject. so look, i know about all the yorkies and all dogs in general that are out there that dont have any homes. and i hate that also (i have a heart to), sure id love to adopt them ALL, but obviously i cannot. and i know you think im trash for being a "backyard breeder, or whatever you want to call me". but i love my girl dixie (who i got from a backyard breeder) and i love the pups and like i said before if i cant find a home for them, i will keep them myself, because i brought them into this world, so im going to make sure they have a wonderful time in this world. and to be honest and dont take this the wrong way, but you appear to be a very negative person, try to lighten up a little huh?

It sounds to me like he is willing to take full responsibility for the puppies. These puppies are already here, a little late for the lecturing.

Danny I hope you continue to educate yourself on the breed and on breeding in general. there is so much to learn. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have if you want to PM me.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by danny7481

theres a difference between being honest and bashing. ive been bashed casue i am so called backyard breeder and my yorkies arent show dogs, well i dont give a damn who thinks my yorkies are show dogs or not, it is what I think about them, thats WHAT COUNTS. ya know i get the vibe from yall that if a yorkie isnt a show dog, well piss on them. is that right, i hope you dont think so. yes i bred my girl cause she is beautiful and cause she is HEALTHY, what is so wrong with bring some healthy pups into this world, not a damn thing. and yes i did bring up children. all the evils in the world, mayeb we all should stop having kids. get over yourself around, quit trying to play god, cause you definitly aint him!

Oh well you're in good company there. I've been called a byb, disreputable, irresponsible, and those are the nice things.

Some people believe that only show breeders should be allowed to breed, so the rest of us don't "ruin" the breed with our second rate dogs.

I believe health comes first, then temperament, then looks.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by danny7481

theres a difference between being honest and bashing. ive been bashed casue i am so called backyard breeder and my yorkies arent show dogs, well i dont give a damn who thinks my yorkies are show dogs or not, it is what I think about them, thats WHAT COUNTS. ya know i get the vibe from yall that if a yorkie isnt a show dog, well piss on them. is that right, i hope you dont think so. yes i bred my girl cause she is beautiful and cause she is HEALTHY, what is so wrong with bring some healthy pups into this world, not a damn thing. and yes i did bring up children. all the evils in the world, mayeb we all should stop having kids. get over yourself around, quit trying to play god, cause you definitly aint him!

IMO - it is you who are trying to play God. Unless you have seen the piles of dead dogs due to overpopulation in our shelters (over 5 million pets a year euthanized) then I believe it is a moral/ethical issue to breed your dog just because you have the right. It is my taxes that pay for these shelters to destroy all these animals every year so where are my rights? If you are going to breed to add to the pet overpopulation then I think it is a self serving and for $$$ in your pocket.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I don't think that anyone is saying that you should only breed if you actively show...but that you should breed to adhere to the standard, which you admit you could care less about.
I know that in your eyes, your girl is the most perfect dog there is. We ALL feel that way about our dogs. But does that mean that every dog *should* be bred....hmmm, no, IMO.
I'll be honest with why people have taken such an "issue" with your situtation, but please, realize that I am only laying it out there so that you aren't sitting back wondering what you did wrong...don't shoot the messenger, as they say!
You joined a short time ago an immediately began asking very BASIC question regarding aspects of breeding.
You stated that you weren't even sure if you wanted to breed, and that if you did it would be "for the experience." (Who's experience? Yours? Your dog's?) In the opinions of many, NOT a good reason to breed.
A very short time after you joined, undecided on if you even wanted to breed, you did and then continued to ask what many consider to be very basic questions regarding breeding--issues that most feel one should be very well familiar with BEFORE breeding. It comes across as if you are breeding without any real preparation or knowledge regarding the overall breeding process.
You have renounced your regard for the breed standard, which most feel is very important.
You have bred a dog that you got from a backyard breeder.
You started offering the dogs for sale when they were less than 24 hrs old.

Basically, in a nutshell, your views on breeding just differ from those of the majority of the members here.

Yes, it is your dog and you have the right to do as you please with your dog and not heed the suggestions and advice of others here, as you have done. But understand that members here also have the right to post up disagreeing with your actions that you have chosen to make public knowledge, as they have done. LOL...I guess it's a good thing that your take is "who cares what everyone else's opinion is?"

I think Danni has alot to learn, as we all did/do. I can see that he is open to learning, If not he would have left along time ago.

Danny just keep asking questions and learning, and ignor the negative posts.
No one was born knowing how to breed yorkies.

Enjoy your babies.