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yorkiemama1986 12-02-2009 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2900914)
the more they suck on her the more milk she will produce, if you really notice that she is not producing enogh milk and the pupies are crying and hungry then you have to feed them by hand. make sure you have plenty of goats milk..

i am...they are cuddled up to her right now...shes not liking it but shes laying still and they are quiet. im gonna go get a new heating pad and bottles...i didnt expect 4.lol. be back in a bit have my neighbor watching them in my room for a sec

msobey 12-02-2009 11:07 AM
Our dog went through the same thing when she had her puppies 3 weeks ago. I'm glad yours turned out well.

yorkiemama1986 12-02-2009 11:40 AM
how can i tell if they are getting enough milk? as long as im laying with her in bed she will nurse them, and they suckle but how do i know they are full? and one of them kinda snorkles when he drinks???

carmen in nj 12-02-2009 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiemama1986 (Post 2901035)
how can i tell if they are getting enough milk? as long as im laying with her in bed she will nurse them, and they suckle but how do i know they are full? and one of them kinda snorkles when he drinks???
as long and they are quiet cuddling with her, they are full, you can see round full tummies when you see them, when they are hungry they fuzz and cry.. if she is producing enogh they are quiet..
hugs,

yorkiemama1986 12-02-2009 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2901043)
as long and they are quiet cuddling with her, they are full, you can see round full tummies when you see them, when they are hungry they fuzz and cry.. if she is producing enogh they are quiet..
hugs,

okay...im just gonna be tired and freak out for the next 12 weeks...lol. but i am SSSOOOO very greatful i still have my girl and these babies.
i swear i wanna keep em all. lol

yorkie mom of 3 12-02-2009 12:04 PM
My Yorkie had a c-section 2 weeks ago 3 girls and 1 boy ! She wasnt to sure of the puppies at first either but after the Meds. where out of her system she got the hang of it. I did just as you sat with her and let the puppies nurse that seemed to keep her calm and relaxed. We also bottle fed a couple times a day for the 1st week. I was so tired after that first week but they are all doing great growing like weeds! Make sure you do your Calcium and eggs also keep them warm :thumbup: !
Congrats on your beautiful puppies!

Mardelin 12-02-2009 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiemama1986 (Post 2900847)
thank u. i feel blessed...but im gonna go lay down with her. as long as i lay holding her she will nurse them. im still trying to get her milk to come in
Since she went eclamptic on you , she may not be able to nurse them very long.....An episode can happen again, since she's prone to it.

katelin 12-02-2009 12:22 PM
The puppies need to nurse as much as possible. Even if they are not getting milk, they are getting colostrum and that is so important to them at this time. The milk will come, just make sure everyone is getting a chance to nurse on the last two nipples. They will have the most milk. Put the smallest puppies on those nipples and let them nurse there for awhile. The bigger ones always find a way to knock them off so watch for that.

You can tell a skinny puppy from a nice round belly puppy just by looking. If you have a skinny one, be sure it gets to nurse the most on the back teats.

I'm so glad for you -- and hoping everyone will do just fine now.

Mardelin 12-02-2009 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by katelin (Post 2901114)
The puppies need to nurse as much as possible. Even if they are not getting milk, they are getting colostrum and that is so important to them at this time. The milk will come, just make sure everyone is getting a chance to nurse on the last two nipples. They will have the most milk. Put the smallest puppies on those nipples and let them nurse there for awhile. The bigger ones always find a way to knock them off so watch for that.

You can tell a skinny puppy from a nice round belly puppy just by looking. If you have a skinny one, be sure it gets to nurse the most on the back teats.

I'm so glad for you -- and hoping everyone will do just fine now.
The mother was eclamptic.....I don't know what her vet's instructions were.....

yorkiemama1986 12-02-2009 12:51 PM
he saidto just let them try to nurse and to supplement if they start screaming more...that it may take a few days for everything to start working right. idk. im praying...all over again for a miracle

SweetKiaraJ 12-02-2009 01:58 PM
Yorkiemama you sure have been through it! I have been following from your first post and it certainly has been an eye opening experience. Very stressful! I'm glad that you had the advice of many experienced breeders here and the support of many to help you get through this.

I am THRILLED to hear that your little girl has pulled through and the babies as well! What a blessing. I can only imagine how scary and stressful all of this has been for you. Congratulations on your litter and also on your hubby coming home soon.

I will continue to pray for quick healing for your girl and that she will come around and take care of her babies. She has been through a lot as well and may have a change of heart once she is feeling better.

Thank you for continuing to keep us posted.

WinstonMom 12-02-2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2900668)
What! Is there something in the water....all you having babies at the same time........

Too much drama for this old lady
It's the full moon, all these babies yesterday and today, must be the full moon!!!!!

Mardelin 12-02-2009 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiemama1986 (Post 2901162)
he saidto just let them try to nurse and to supplement if they start screaming more...that it may take a few days for everything to start working right. idk. im praying...all over again for a miracle
Can you order some Oral Cal Plus on line? Revivalanimal.com as well as Calcium Tabs.

I know you have the whelping pudding, but a scrambled egg a day, as well as the goat milk recipe I gave you. Put her on a good puppy food without soy in it. Since she had the eclampsia episode, she is prone to getting another...you'll have to be watchful. Make sure she has a meal at night. Keep her kibble bowl full

yorkiemama1986 12-02-2009 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2901279)
Can you order some Oral Cal Plus on line? Revivalanimal.com as well as Calcium Tabs.

I know you have the whelping pudding, but a scrambled egg a day, as well as the goat milk recipe I gave you. Put her on a good puppy food without soy in it. Since she had the eclampsia episode, she is prone to getting another...you'll have to be watchful. Make sure she has a meal at night. Keep her kibble bowl full

my vet gave me a bottle. told me to give 1/4 a tab 2x a day :)
andshe has a GREAT appetite surprisingly this soon after surgery. she even tried snatching my muffin out my mouth. lol
posted pic of momma in nursery.

and THANK YOU ALL!! for all your help. without your patience and advice iwould have never gone with my gut and demanded something done. you saved my best friend:cry:

yorkiemama1986 12-02-2009 02:15 PM
momma and babies
 
4 Attachment(s)
and guess what!!! she's kissing them!!!!!!!!
yaaaayyyy momma!!!!

WinstonMom 12-02-2009 02:17 PM
Congrats on the beautiful babies. I am so glad that they have arrived safe and sound. You are going to have to watch your girl very closely for eclampsia, four is a big litter. When one of my girls had to get calcium my vet told me she couldn't nurse for 24 hours after the shot (I don't know why exactly, maybe one of the other breeders knows). Luckily, I had another litter just 18 hours previous and I was able to get that mom to nurse the babies. I have also had a girl who was totally terrified of her babies and would only nurse them or stay with them if I sat with her (I had to force her to let them nurse, she would lay flat on her tummy). After a couple of days she accepted them to nurse and I think she loved them but remained timid with them right through till weaning. After weaning, she was only too happy to let one of the other girls take over with training them, and I have one bossy girl who thinks all babies should be hers and she is very good with them. Get some rest and spend some time with your skin-kids but keep a good watch on Laynee, she is not out of the woods yet.

Audrey

JeanieK 12-02-2009 03:56 PM
Sounds lijke things are improving.

Keep the baby monitor on at night and when you hear the peuppies, get up and make sure they are sucking. Watch so the bigger ones do not knock the little ones off. You can lose one overnight if it is getting pushed off. By morning it will be too weak to eat.

MauiGirl 12-02-2009 03:57 PM
Congratulations on the safe arrival of 4 babies. Sending more prayers for their continued health and safety, and hugs to you, their super-mom for being brave and getting them this far.

Following this and your other thread..... makes me feel like I was in labor. Geez, I'd wake up in the night wondering how it's going. Hope we can all rest now.

Keep em safe!

yorkiemama1986 12-02-2009 04:52 PM
Look at this!!!!
 
2 Attachment(s)
she's loving on them!!!! Finally!!! i dont have to hold her down to nurse them. i decided to stick em in her crate and force them together. well it worked. she gave in. lol. now its just sweet

now question, someone said because she was eclamptic/pre-eclamptic that she can go downhill? what am i suppose to look for?

Mardelin 12-02-2009 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiemama1986 (Post 2901294)
and guess what!!! she's kissing them!!!!!!!!
yaaaayyyy momma!!!!
So sweet, momma looks beautiful.....get them through the first 72 hours and you'll be fine. Keep an eye on mom's gums, make sure they aren't sticky, pale or cold. You witnessed eclampsia first hand, so you know the signs......

Good Luck, your work has just begun.

Be careful with those lil ribbons around their neck......Some have lost puppies that way.

Mardelin 12-02-2009 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiemama1986 (Post 2901482)
she's loving on them!!!! Finally!!! i dont have to hold her down to nurse them. i decided to stick em in her crate and force them together. well it worked. she gave in. lol. now its just sweet

now question, someone said because she was eclamptic/pre-eclamptic that she can go downhill? what am i suppose to look for?
You witnessed it, the stiff legs, any wierd changes in her personality. Make sure that she is by your bed watch her closely, oh make sure wherever you have them that they are free of draft. Cover them with a light blanket.

yorkiemama1986 12-02-2009 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2901488)
So sweet, momma looks beautiful.....get them through the first 72 hours and you'll be fine. Keep an eye on mom's gums, make sure they aren't sticky, pale or cold. You witnessed eclampsia first hand, so you know the signs......

Good Luck, your work has just begun.

Be careful with those lil ribbons around their neck......Some have lost puppies that way.
i made sure i could fit 2 fingers before tying, is that okay? i just wanna keep track of whos who...i know the purple one is the biggest and is a teat hog. i finally pushed him behind mom so the others could eat. i think inthe morning i will start shave marks on them instead of ties.

okay and after 72 hrs, what are the chances of it? i will breathe a lot easier friday when hubbys home, when i told him about her emergency c-sec today he cried on the phone. he misses his girl :)

carmen in nj 12-02-2009 05:30 PM
make sure she has about 5 small meals a day.. I start with breakfast some wet food and dry kibble mixed with 1/2 a tab of calcium pill, then a little snack of scrambled egg, lunch kibble with some goat milk, dinner mix of dry and wet and before bed, I give her some kibble mixed with 1 tab of calcium pill and a mixed with some goat milk. Make sure she has plenty of water and I have my whelping box oposite of the window, so she and the babies can benefit of some sunshine, when is out, is winter in NJ now and sun is precious to all..make sure you keep an eye on her I get up thru the night to check on Chanel and the babies, I have a baby monitor hooked on top of the whelping box and the receiver on my night table. any noise, crying baby gets my attention and I come to the room.
hugs,
Carmen in nj

yorkiemama1986 12-02-2009 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2901516)
make sure she has about 5 small meals a day.. I start with breakfast some wet food and dry kibble mixed with 1/2 a tab of calcium pill, then a little snack of scrambled egg, lunch kibble with some goat milk, dinner mix of dry and wet and before bed, I give her some kibble mixed with 1 tab of calcium pill and a mixed with some goat milk. Make sure she has plenty of water and I have my whelping box oposite of the window, so she and the babies can benefit of some sunshine, when is out, is winter in NJ now and sun is precious to all..make sure you keep an eye on her I get up thru the night to check on Chanel and the babies, I have a baby monitor hooked on top of the whelping box and the receiver on my night table. any noise, crying baby gets my attention and I come to the room.
hugs,
Carmen in nj
u should know me by now...im paranoid. shes next to my bed! LOL

carmen in nj 12-02-2009 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiemama1986 (Post 2901521)
u should know me by now...im paranoid. shes next to my bed! LOL
LOL, I figure that much, that is a good thing, now you just got a make sure she eats and eats, I have something call oralcal plus, which I can use in case of any eclampsia emergency, thank GOD I had never had to use any of that, I make sure my mamas eat their 5 meals a day..:)

Mardelin 12-02-2009 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiemama1986 (Post 2901512)
i made sure i could fit 2 fingers before tying, is that okay? i just wanna keep track of whos who...i know the purple one is the biggest and is a teat hog. i finally pushed him behind mom so the others could eat. i think inthe morning i will start shave marks on them instead of ties.

okay and after 72 hrs, what are the chances of it? i will breathe a lot easier friday when hubbys home, when i told him about her emergency c-sec today he cried on the phone. he misses his girl :)
There have been issues of puppies choking with them. Mom's getting the paw caught in them or another puppy getting their paw caught in there. Here's what I use......Liquid Paper....you know what you use for fixing typos. It comes in different colors. I usually put a dab under a leg, where mom can't see it but, you can. If you have a boob hog, don't put him on until the other 2 have a few minutes alone with her. Oh milk only lets down every 2 hours.

As long as your pups are gaining, you're fine....check for hydration by pulling the skin on their neck. If it bounces right back they are hydrated, if not, call your vet. He can Sub-Q them for you. 3 to 5 days tail docking and dew claw removal. Any changes in the sound of their breathing....could be a respiratory problem, call the vet.....he can administer clovomax....don't wait, it can turn into pneumonia. Most important, don't over handle, all they need is mom right now and quiet. Keep them warm and take care of her, she'll take care of them.

We're here if you have any questions. (661) 424-9926

yorkiemama1986 12-02-2009 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2901531)
There have been issues of puppies choking with them. Mom's getting the paw caught in them or another puppy getting their paw caught in there. Here's what I use......Liquid Paper....you know what you use for fixing typos. It comes in different colors. I usually put a dab under a leg, where mom can't see it but, you can. If you have a boob hog, don't put him on until the other 2 have a few minutes alone with her. Oh milk only lets down every 2 hours.

As long as your pups are gaining, you're fine....check for hydration by pulling the skin on their neck. If it bounces right back they are hydrated, if not, call your vet. He can Sub-Q them for you. 3 to 5 days tail docking and dew claw removal. Any changes in the sound of their breathing....could be a respiratory problem, call the vet.....he can administer clovomax....don't wait, it can turn into pneumonia. Most important, don't over handle, all they need is mom right now and quiet. Keep them warm and take care of her, she'll take care of them.

We're here if you have any questions. (661) 424-9926

(661) eh? i lived in Bakersfield before i married my husband and got stationed in texas. went to high school in Arvin...lol

Mardelin 12-02-2009 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2901527)
LOL, I figure that much, that is a good thing, now you just got a make sure she eats and eats, I have something call oralcal plus, which I can use in case of any eclampsia emergency, thank GOD I had never had to use any of that, I make sure my mamas eat their 5 meals a day..:)
Oral Cal Plus can be purchased through revivalanimal.com. I used it a couple of times my last litter. Tahlulah was just acting strange and panting....so, I squirted some in her mouth.

WV~Yorkies 12-02-2009 06:29 PM
So glad they are doing well. Mom and babies look so sweet!

Lioncross4 12-02-2009 07:26 PM
I'm really impressed with your level of care and compassion for your beautiful dog. Nice job of being there for her and being smart in her care. I'm not a breeder---so, I've stayed quiet. But, I've watched every post and kept you all in our thoughts and prayers.

Don't forget to take care of yourself in the midst of this--you need your strength too! I think this has been a good "real life" gut check about the work it takes for safe deliveries.

And, super impressed that she even has her bows in--bonus points!


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