we are in labor!

[Genie1083]

we've made up some whelping pudding, so should we give her that?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Genie1083

girl is now latched on and boy is done nursing

Great, did you administer NutriDrops to the pups when they were born?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Genie1083

we've made up some whelping pudding, so should we give her that?

You can.....But, the other would quench her thirst as well as up her electrolytes.

[Genie1083]

we didn't have any nutri drops, but they did start nursing about 5 min. after they were out.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Genie1083

we didn't have any nutri drops, but they did start nursing about 5 min. after they were out.

Ah!!!! For the next time, a couple of NutriDrop drops rubbed into the gums gives them alot of strength. That along with a have a small tube of Benebac probiotic for good bacteria.

[Genie1083]

here's the count

1 boy 5 1/8 oz (blue
2 girl 4 1/4 oz (pink
3 girl 4 3/4 oz (yellow
4 girl 4 1/8 oz (white)

We thought we saw 5 in xray...so we are waiting to see. three have latched on. Mama seems to be doing great. gave her water and some whelping pudding.

We have only seen one placenta delivered, which we let her eat.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Genie1083

here's the count

1 boy 5 1/8 oz (blue
2 girl 4 1/4 oz (pink
3 girl 4 3/4 oz (yellow
4 girl 4 1/8 oz (white)

We thought we saw 5 in xray...so we are waiting to see. three have latched on. Mama seems to be doing great. gave her water and some whelping pudding.

We have only seen one placenta delivered, which we let her eat.

Wow! You have Calcium Supplement and Oral Cal Plus on hand don't you? Remember a scrambled egg a day.

[Genie1083]

gina doesn't have any of that, but I did bring over some calsorb that I had from before....I don't see an expiration date on the syringe. Is this the same thing you are talking about? If so, how often and how much should she give mama? and when to start? Or is there a better product that Gina should go out and get?

thanks...

btw, all the babies are nursing and two placentas were delivered. We still feel a lump that feels like a baby.

deb

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Genie1083

gina doesn't have any of that, but I did bring over some calsorb that I had from before....I don't see an expiration date on the syringe. Is this the same thing you are talking about? If so, how often and how much should she give mama? and when to start? Or is there a better product that Gina should go out and get?

thanks...

btw, all the babies are nursing and two placentas were delivered. We still feel a lump that feels like a baby.

deb

Cal Sorb and Oral Cal Plus are one in the same. The Cal Sorb should have an expiration date on it. Cal Sorb is yucky tasting.......and may cause her to throw up, you'll have to follow immediately with NutriCal. The Oral Call Plus they take readily (now you just keep it on hand for emergencies) Only administer if you see her showing signs of eclampsia. Does she have Calcium Tablets, or some sort of Calcium.....how much does mom weigh at this time.....PetCal Tabs are easiest to obtain, petsmart. She'll have to go on that.

If you think you have one more pup, go in and feather her, put a sterile glove on lubricate one finger with KY and gently insert your finger and kind of feather. It should get her down to business again. Now it's tricky because sometimes the flacid uterus can feel like a pup too. You can administer some of that CalSorb now and it can help her with that possible last pup. She maybe getting tired.

If you haven't all the placentas, I'd get her in for a Clean Out Shot (Oxcytocin). It'll clamp down on her uterus and remove any fetal membrane, also help increase her milk supply. Any retained placenta can cause an infection and you can lose your mom.

[carmen in nj]

Babies!!!! wow, I went out and just came back to many babies... woo hoo... congratulations...
good size babies too....
hugs,
Carmen in nj

[Genie1083]

Bailey weighed 10.4 at the xray, which was about a week ago. She is normally 8 lbs. , obviously a little on the larger size for a yorkie.

She will do the oxy shot and go get some calcium tabs from petco (it's close by)...thanks again, Mardelin.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Genie1083

Bailey weighed 10.4 at the xray, which was about a week ago. She is normally 8 lbs. , obviously a little on the larger size for a yorkie.

She will do the oxy shot and go get some calcium tabs from petco (it's close by)...thanks again, Mardelin.

She's had a big litter so that ever scary eclampsia can lurk around the corner.

Okay to eclampsia at bay, so it never comes at all… forget everything about giving tums, cottage cheese, cheese, icecream.. etc. It’s useless. The body needs the calcium to be delivered with the correct ratio of Vit D and Phosphorus or it doesn’t absorb it, it’s useless. Pet Cal has this correct ratio. Another thing that has it is, believe it or not.. a scrambled whole egg! Of course everyone knows not to start calcium until the litter is whelped.. no giving it to PG bitches… I do give some calsorb during whelping If things slow down on a larger litter, but never before whelping. Make it a general practice to scramble your bitch an egg every day, and depending on weight, give ½ to a whole pet tab per day. I gave it to a 8 lb bitch ½ in the morning ½ at night…this is the “daily dose” for about a 20 lb dog who was NOT nursing a litter…so just fine for ½ the size, but nursing a litter. I would grind up the pet tab in the food processor and put the powder in the egg when I scrambled it.

Also, check your dog food for Soybeans, soy protein, or anything related to soy in any way. For SOME reason that is not completely understood by me (many menopause supplements contain soy, or are soy based, so this seems to be a contradiction).. soy protein can interfere with the absorption of calcium in dogs. If your food has soy of any sort, change to a food that does not for the duration of the weaning of the litter.

[Joeysmom]

So we took her to the vet, thinking there might be another pup. They did an xray, and there were no more pups. Vet did not want to do the clean out shot and thought maybe mom had eaten the placentas and we didn't see it. I'm not sure about this, but the only option she gave us was an ultrasound which is pretty expensive. So Gina opted to wait and see.

Babies and mama are doing well, resting and nursing. I'm back home now, so pictures are uploaded. I will go resize them and put them on a new post.

Thank you ,Mardelin, sooooo much for all your help. You are so generous with your vast knowledge. Gina and I both appreciate you. I feel the whelping went really well and we both learned alot. It was my third delivery (only one has been mine and we ended up with a C section)...and each time I feel like I learn a ton!

deb

[carmen in nj]

Originally Posted by Joeysmom

So we took her to the vet, thinking there might be another pup. They did an xray, and there were no more pups. Vet did not want to do the clean out shot and thought maybe mom had eaten the placentas and we didn't see it. I'm not sure about this, but the only option she gave us was an ultrasound which is pretty expensive. So Gina opted to wait and see.

Babies and mama are doing well, resting and nursing. I'm back home now, so pictures are uploaded. I will go resize them and put them on a new post.

Thank you ,Mardelin, sooooo much for all your help. You are so generous with your vast knowledge. Gina and I both appreciate you. I feel the whelping went really well and we both learned alot. It was my third delivery (only one has been mine and we ended up with a C section)...and each time I feel like I learn a ton!

deb

Hey Deb, my vet is not fond of the oxy shot either, so he did not give my girl one either, my holistic vet told me to give her 1/2 a cup of red rabsberry leaf tea, as soon as you can after whelping and then another 1/2 a cup for 3 days every other day. I been doing that with all my girls, it cleans out anything that is left inside mama and also helps with milk production. My girl is doing great, so just a suggestion in case you want to give it to your girl, just to make sure all the gook is out..
hugs,
Carmen in nj

[Joeysmom]

thank you thank you carmen!

I can't get my pictures to post. I think I have to download irfanview to resize. My old computer had it but not this one. PSE is not resizing properly, maybe? I'll get pics posted as soon as I can.

deb