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Mardelin · 11-09-2009, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Flower003

Should I let her stay with babies.... she's acting really weird... she carried all her toys to another room and I think she wants to move the babies there too??? I wont let her nurse... should i jsut let her do waht she wants??

The vet told me she didn't need any meds for her milk... should I demand some meds?

If she wants to stay with her babies...let her as long as she's not nursing. Keep on eye on her to make sure that she's not having another episode and her breast aren't getting to filled....if they are you may have to release some of the pressure.....did you ask the vet for a dry up shot?

dianethomas · 11-09-2009, 09:05 AM

I used esbilac when I bottle/tube fed Zaccheus. I never had any problem with it.
I found that the best way to warm bottles was to keep a mug of water on a candle warmer. It super heats the water and bottles warm in just a few seconds. Make sure not to over warm the bottle. Have a cup of ice water to dunk the bottle in if it gets too warm.
Using a heating pad covered with a towel is perfect, but I also had a heat lamp over him. You should hover your hands right over the pups to check temp. It should be pretty warm, but not enough to feel hot to your skin. If they cry out or pant, back the light away. Panting burns calories, and you are trying to get them to gain.
I agree that you should chart their weight to assure that they are gaining.
You are going to be very tired for the next few weeks, because these babies need to eat every couple of hours.
I am so sorry your momma can't nurse them, but you can do it. You can save them.

dianethomas · 11-09-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Flower003

Thank you for all the advice. I tried the bottle the vet gave me and I just got done bottle feeding the babies and stimulating them. it's hard to tell if the did urinate or not. I am so tired but I can't sleep, I'm just soo worried about everything and miss my little Fiona so much.

I'm assuming that they are taking the bottle. That is so much better than having to tube feed! Congratulations.
What are you using to stimulate elimination? I always used a paper towel damp with warm water. I've also heard of using a damp cotton ball. You should see them actually eliminate.

As a correction of my previous reply, my only problem with esbilac was that Zaccheus had issues defacating. I had to administer puppy enimas occasionally, and also added plain yogurt to his formula after the first week.
We never knew if it was because of the formula or if he just had other issues. He is fine, now.

Flower003 · 11-09-2009, 04:20 PM

I have both esbilac and just born. I didnt' know which to use. I tired both with the babies... is that safe. The funny thing is that when I asked the vet they confused me even more. I guess they dont want to put down one product and encourage another.

So far the babies are doing well. The runt doesn't seem to be growing at all even though we feed him almost every hour. They sleep longer today then they did yesterday and last night. i haven't slept in 48 hours.

I'm on a caffine high! I stimulate the bablies with a cotton ball and I hold tolet paper to their little wee area to make sure they pee. I've also been letting mommy do the stimulations.

Fiona is doing well, except for her panting which the vet says if mostly likely stress and I shouldn't worry about anything unless I feel muscle tremors. Fiona is in a onse and diapers to make sure the babies can't get through.

I have four helpers helping me with the babies. Is it normal for female puppies to eat less than males???

I have a really hard time trying to get the female to take to the bottle she wont drink any of the esbilac on the just born.

this is their weight today
fatty (the one that eats the most) is 5.2 ounces
female is 5.7 ounces
The runt is 3.7 ounces
Black one is 5.3 ounces

I am really worried about the runt! Should I add stuff to the formula?? I am so scared to but I think it would be for the best I just dont know what or how. The vet told me to just stay with just formula. But I am willing to try anything that would help the babies grow and gain weight.

Thank you for all the advice!

Mardelin · 11-09-2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flower003

I have both esbilac and just born. I didnt' know which to use. I tired both with the babies... is that safe. The funny thing is that when I asked the vet they confused me even more. I guess they dont want to put down one product and encourage another.

So far the babies are doing well. The runt doesn't seem to be growing at all even though we feed him almost every hour. They sleep longer today then they did yesterday and last night. i haven't slept in 48 hours.

I'm on a caffine high! I stimulate the bablies with a cotton ball and I hold tolet paper to their little wee area to make sure they pee. I've also been letting mommy do the stimulations.

Fiona is doing well, except for her panting which the vet says if mostly likely stress and I shouldn't worry about anything unless I feel muscle tremors. Fiona is in a onse and diapers to make sure the babies can't get through.

I have four helpers helping me with the babies. Is it normal for female puppies to eat less than males???

I have a really hard time trying to get the female to take to the bottle she wont drink any of the esbilac on the just born.

this is their weight today
fatty (the one that eats the most) is 5.2 ounces
female is 5.7 ounces
The runt is 3.7 ounces
Black one is 5.3 ounces

Thank you for all the advice!

Don't stress, as long as they aren't crying and breathing seems normal all is fine.

The litter that I hand raised didn't start taking off in weight gain until the 2nd week, they even lost a bit, while I had them on Just Born and then my vet a repro/canine nutritionist specialists yelled at me and had me switch them to Goats Milk....just as long as they feel hydrated, diapered, warm and are taking
food.

Keep a close eye on Fioana for eclampsia. If in doubt you may want to run her back in to have her calcium levels checked.

Flower003 · 11-09-2009, 04:28 PM

also i have Puppy Drops "from the makers of nutri-cal" is this different from nutri drops???

The karo on the nipple doesn't work with the girl. I even tried putting it in the esbilac she wont drink it. but like i said she drinks the just born.

How do i use goats milk?? do i buy esbilac goast milk.. goats milk in a can ( in the baking area) or which???

Mardelin · 11-09-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flower003

also i have Puppy Drops "from the makers of nutri-cal" is this different from nutri drops???

The karo on the nipple doesn't work with the girl. I even tried putting it in the esbilac she wont drink it. but like i said she drinks the just born.

I had one boy that didn't like either.....but, when I switched him to Goats Milk....it tasted just like mothers milk.......he made a lil pig out of hisself.

dianethomas · 11-09-2009, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flower003

I have both esbilac and just born. I didnt' know which to use. I tired both with the babies... is that safe. The funny thing is that when I asked the vet they confused me even more. I guess they dont want to put down one product and encourage another.

I would say they don't want to be responsible if what they suggest doesn't work out for you. There are pros and cons of anything you use. I've heard that goats milk is the best, and I've heard that it's the worst. Just use whatever the vet tells you. Stick with one or the other, though. Changing around might irritate their tummies.

So far the babies are doing well. The runt doesn't seem to be growing at all even though we feed him almost every hour. They sleep longer today then they did yesterday and last night. i haven't slept in 48 hours.

I'm on a caffine high! I stimulate the bablies with a cotton ball and I hold tolet paper to their little wee area to make sure they pee. I've also been letting mommy do the stimulations.

Keep really close tabs on this one. He could go downhill really fast. Check his hydration by pinching the scruff gently to see how it responds. If you haven't already, get some nutrical to rub on his gums to keep his sugar level good.
I have four helpers helping me with the babies. Is it normal for female puppies to eat less than males???

I only had a male to bottle feed, so I don't really know. But my intuition tells me that they should all eat pretty much the same amount. If she's not getting enough, you may have to tube her. Just be careful, if you do, that you get it into her tummy, and don't dispense too quickly.

I have a really hard time trying to get the female to take to the bottle she wont drink any of the esbilac on the just born.

Like I said, sounds like a tube situation, or she won't make it.

this is their weight today
fatty (the one that eats the most) is 5.2 ounces
female is 5.7 ounces
The runt is 3.7 ounces
Black one is 5.3 ounces

I am really worried about the runt! Should I add stuff to the formula?? I am so scared to but I think it would be for the best I just dont know what or how. The vet told me to just stay with just formula. But I am willing to try anything that would help the babies grow and gain weight.

I don't know what you should add, so I'll leave this one for an expert to handle.
Thank you for all the advice!

You're welcome! Feel free to PM me if you want to ask me something directly.

11-09-2009, 09:05 AM	#17
dianethomas YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Millington, TN USA Posts: 471	I used esbilac when I bottle/tube fed Zaccheus. I never had any problem with it. I found that the best way to warm bottles was to keep a mug of water on a candle warmer. It super heats the water and bottles warm in just a few seconds. Make sure not to over warm the bottle. Have a cup of ice water to dunk the bottle in if it gets too warm. Using a heating pad covered with a towel is perfect, but I also had a heat lamp over him. You should hover your hands right over the pups to check temp. It should be pretty warm, but not enough to feel hot to your skin. If they cry out or pant, back the light away. Panting burns calories, and you are trying to get them to gain. I agree that you should chart their weight to assure that they are gaining. You are going to be very tired for the next few weeks, because these babies need to eat every couple of hours. I am so sorry your momma can't nurse them, but you can do it. You can save them. __________________ Cricket and Zaccheus' human

11-09-2009, 04:20 PM	#19
Flower003 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Detroit, michigan, USA Posts: 72	I have both esbilac and just born. I didnt' know which to use. I tired both with the babies... is that safe. The funny thing is that when I asked the vet they confused me even more. I guess they dont want to put down one product and encourage another. So far the babies are doing well. The runt doesn't seem to be growing at all even though we feed him almost every hour. They sleep longer today then they did yesterday and last night. i haven't slept in 48 hours. I'm on a caffine high! I stimulate the bablies with a cotton ball and I hold tolet paper to their little wee area to make sure they pee. I've also been letting mommy do the stimulations. Fiona is doing well, except for her panting which the vet says if mostly likely stress and I shouldn't worry about anything unless I feel muscle tremors. Fiona is in a onse and diapers to make sure the babies can't get through. I have four helpers helping me with the babies. Is it normal for female puppies to eat less than males??? I have a really hard time trying to get the female to take to the bottle she wont drink any of the esbilac on the just born. this is their weight today fatty (the one that eats the most) is 5.2 ounces female is 5.7 ounces The runt is 3.7 ounces Black one is 5.3 ounces I am really worried about the runt! Should I add stuff to the formula?? I am so scared to but I think it would be for the best I just dont know what or how. The vet told me to just stay with just formula. But I am willing to try anything that would help the babies grow and gain weight. Thank you for all the advice! Last edited by Flower003; 11-09-2009 at 04:25 PM.

11-09-2009, 04:28 PM	#21
Flower003 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Detroit, michigan, USA Posts: 72	also i have Puppy Drops "from the makers of nutri-cal" is this different from nutri drops??? The karo on the nipple doesn't work with the girl. I even tried putting it in the esbilac she wont drink it. but like i said she drinks the just born. How do i use goats milk?? do i buy esbilac goast milk.. goats milk in a can ( in the baking area) or which??? Last edited by Flower003; 11-09-2009 at 04:30 PM.