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blancla 09-15-2009 09:23 AM
AKC Litter Registration Papers
 
Okay, I have some questions. I went to the AKC website and downloaded the litter registration application. How do I determine if they are going to give me limited registration papers or full registration papers?

I am new to the AKC registration process. I just found out through the AKC research that both of my male & female Yorkies can be registered AKC. I need this information for their future litters. I'm sorry if I seem ignorant, but I am just learning.

Thanks everyone.

francis53 09-15-2009 09:30 AM
You, as the litter owner decide whether or not to give full registration. You will get papers for each puppy and on them you black out a box to transfer with limited registration.
You will need to get papers on your adults, though, before you can get the papers on any puppies.

blancla 09-15-2009 09:37 AM
I have the registration papers coming on both of the adults. This information helps me a lot. Thanks so much. I really appreciate the quick response.

I'm so happy that they are from AKC lines.

bjh 09-15-2009 09:48 AM
How did you just register your adults? I don't understand you found out you could register you adults by doing research. Did you have their original papers.? On the papers you used to register your adults there is a little square that would have been darkened out of your adults were sold with limited registration. If your adults were sold with full registration then the pups can sold with either full registration or limited. If either of your puppies parents were sold with limited registration then the puppies cannot be registered at all, at least that is my understanding.

Also, once you get the registration papers on your adults then you can register the litter online through AKC's website. I love using their online registration system because you get the papers back a lot quicker.

You can also call AKC if you have any questions about the papers on the adults. They are always very helpful.

blancla 09-15-2009 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2801926)
How did you just register your adults? I don't understand you found out you could register you adults by doing research. Did you have their original papers.? On the papers you used to register your adults there is a little square that would have been darkened out of your adults were sold with limited registration. If your adults were sold with full registration then the pups can sold with either full registration or limited. If either of your puppies parents were sold with limited registration then the puppies cannot be registered at all, at least that is my understanding.

Also, once you get the registration papers on your adults then you can register the litter online through AKC's website. I love using their online registration system because you get the papers back a lot quicker.

You can also call AKC if you have any questions about the papers on the adults. They are always very helpful.

My dogs were sold to me with CKC registration papers. AKC has a research department that will research the lines of your dog and see if it can be registered with AKC as long as the line has not broken. See below:

For a dog with papers from a non-AKC accepted domestic registry
AKC has a new program where we are researching pedigrees of dogs that do not have AKC paperwork to determine if the dog comes from AKC registrable stock.
In order to determine AKC registration eligibility, you will need to send AKC a copy of your dog’s pedigree, registration application and/or registration certificate from another registry. You can also submit documentation provided by the breeder such as a contract or bill of sale. The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock.
Should the dog be deemed registrable, AKC staff will register the dog in question for $30. All late fees will be waived.
When you submit your paperwork, please include your name and phone number. You can submit the paperwork in one of three ways:
Fax the information to 919-816-3770. Mark it attn: Registry Research.
Email images to altreg@akc.org. Place Registry Research in the subject line
Mail to:
AKC Registry Research
Attn: Special Services
8051 Arco Corporate Drive Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27617


This is what I did and found out that they could be registered as AKC. Now, I have contacted AKC and the customer service rep said that I would be getting a full registration. So that means that I can sell the puppies as AKC instead of the CKC which I wasn't fond of doing.

bjh 09-15-2009 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802107)
My dogs were sold to me with CKC registration papers. AKC has a research department that will research the lines of your dog and see if it can be registered with AKC as long as the line has not broken. See below:

For a dog with papers from a non-AKC accepted domestic registry
AKC has a new program where we are researching pedigrees of dogs that do not have AKC paperwork to determine if the dog comes from AKC registrable stock.
In order to determine AKC registration eligibility, you will need to send AKC a copy of your dog’s pedigree, registration application and/or registration certificate from another registry. You can also submit documentation provided by the breeder such as a contract or bill of sale. The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock.
Should the dog be deemed registrable, AKC staff will register the dog in question for $30. All late fees will be waived.
When you submit your paperwork, please include your name and phone number. You can submit the paperwork in one of three ways:
Fax the information to 919-816-3770. Mark it attn: Registry Research.
Email images to altreg@akc.org. Place Registry Research in the subject line
Mail to:
AKC Registry Research
Attn: Special Services
8051 Arco Corporate Drive Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27617


This is what I did and found out that they could be registered as AKC. Now, I have contacted AKC and the customer service rep said that I would be getting a full registration. So that means that I can sell the puppies as AKC instead of the CKC which I wasn't fond of doing.
Well, this completely blows my mind. It does not make sense to me. I am happy for you if you can get papers but this is totally unfair to all those breeders that sold pups with limited registration and withhold papers until proof of spay or neuter. Are your dogs registered with the Canadian Kennel Club or the Continental Kennel Club?

blancla 09-15-2009 12:13 PM
Continental Kennel Club, and now it will also be AKC.

blancla 09-15-2009 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2802162)
Well, this completely blows my mind. It does not make sense to me. I am happy for you if you can get papers but this is totally unfair to all those breeders that sold pups with limited registration and withhold papers until proof of spay or neuter.
Trust me, I understand what you are saying. They probably sold the sires/dams with limited registration to the new owners, who then went and got them registered CKC since they wouldn't need much paper work there. Then they bred them and now I can go back and get AKC Papers. I know that it's not fair, and I understand, truely I do. I was just excited to find out that my dogs are from AKC lines.

I didn't start this thread to upset any breeders. I apologize in advance if I did. I was happy and wanted to share. Please forgive me if I upset anyone. I have learned so much from you and other breeders here and want to continue to learn.

Nancy1999 09-15-2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2802162)
Well, this completely blows my mind. It does not make sense to me. I am happy for you if you can get papers but this is totally unfair to all those breeders that sold pups with limited registration and withhold papers until proof of spay or neuter. Are your dogs registered with the Canadian Kennel Club or the Continental Kennel Club?
Actually this only applies to a very few people, if the dogs had been sold originally with limited registration, their offspring would still be ineligible to sign with AKC. There were some breeders who switched over to the CKC even though their dogs were eligible for the AKC, and this applies to some of those dogs. I think at one time breeders signed up with the CKC because they thought it had some advantages, and were sorely mislead. There is more information on the AKC website.

blancla 09-15-2009 12:26 PM
Thanks Nancy. I thought that I was doing something wrong, but that helps clarify it for me.

Nancy1999 09-15-2009 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802206)
Thanks Nancy. I thought that I was doing something wrong, but that helps clarify it for me.
The key line is:

"The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock."

So they not only have to have no break in AKC lineage, but the pedicgree has to originate form AKC registrable stock.

The only problem I have with this is that most people will pay the researching fee and find out that their dogs don't meet the requirements.

blancla 09-15-2009 12:39 PM
Actually, you don't have to pay the fee until you find out if you can register them. They give you a lineage number to reference in the application so that they know what line your dog came from.

Nancy1999 09-15-2009 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802223)
Actually, you don't have to pay the fee until you find out if you can register them. They give you a lineage number to reference in the application so that they know what line your dog came from.
Oh that's good, then I have no problem with it at all, I was afraid they were trying to get lots of people to do futile research, and could be accused of just trying to make a buck. I'm happy this worked out for you.

bjh 09-15-2009 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802197)
Trust me, I understand what you are saying. They probably sold the sires/dams with limited registration to the new owners, who then went and got them registered CKC since they wouldn't need much paper work there. Then they bred them and now I can go back and get AKC Papers. I know that it's not fair, and I understand, truely I do. I was just excited to find out that my dogs are from AKC lines.

I didn't start this thread to upset any breeders. I apologize in advance if I did. I was happy and wanted to share. Please forgive me if I upset anyone. I have learned so much from you and other breeders here and want to continue to learn.
I am not at all upset with you. I am happy for you. I just had not heard of this and I figured it might upset some breeders. I just hope AKC does following strict guidelines like Nancy mentioned.

blancla 09-15-2009 01:28 PM
I hope that they are too. I truely want to do things the right way. I have learned so much here and want to do what's right and ethical.


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