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blancla 09-15-2009 09:23 AM
AKC Litter Registration Papers
 
Okay, I have some questions. I went to the AKC website and downloaded the litter registration application. How do I determine if they are going to give me limited registration papers or full registration papers?

I am new to the AKC registration process. I just found out through the AKC research that both of my male & female Yorkies can be registered AKC. I need this information for their future litters. I'm sorry if I seem ignorant, but I am just learning.

Thanks everyone.

francis53 09-15-2009 09:30 AM
You, as the litter owner decide whether or not to give full registration. You will get papers for each puppy and on them you black out a box to transfer with limited registration.
You will need to get papers on your adults, though, before you can get the papers on any puppies.

blancla 09-15-2009 09:37 AM
I have the registration papers coming on both of the adults. This information helps me a lot. Thanks so much. I really appreciate the quick response.

I'm so happy that they are from AKC lines.

bjh 09-15-2009 09:48 AM
How did you just register your adults? I don't understand you found out you could register you adults by doing research. Did you have their original papers.? On the papers you used to register your adults there is a little square that would have been darkened out of your adults were sold with limited registration. If your adults were sold with full registration then the pups can sold with either full registration or limited. If either of your puppies parents were sold with limited registration then the puppies cannot be registered at all, at least that is my understanding.

Also, once you get the registration papers on your adults then you can register the litter online through AKC's website. I love using their online registration system because you get the papers back a lot quicker.

You can also call AKC if you have any questions about the papers on the adults. They are always very helpful.

blancla 09-15-2009 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2801926)
How did you just register your adults? I don't understand you found out you could register you adults by doing research. Did you have their original papers.? On the papers you used to register your adults there is a little square that would have been darkened out of your adults were sold with limited registration. If your adults were sold with full registration then the pups can sold with either full registration or limited. If either of your puppies parents were sold with limited registration then the puppies cannot be registered at all, at least that is my understanding.

Also, once you get the registration papers on your adults then you can register the litter online through AKC's website. I love using their online registration system because you get the papers back a lot quicker.

You can also call AKC if you have any questions about the papers on the adults. They are always very helpful.

My dogs were sold to me with CKC registration papers. AKC has a research department that will research the lines of your dog and see if it can be registered with AKC as long as the line has not broken. See below:

For a dog with papers from a non-AKC accepted domestic registry
AKC has a new program where we are researching pedigrees of dogs that do not have AKC paperwork to determine if the dog comes from AKC registrable stock.
In order to determine AKC registration eligibility, you will need to send AKC a copy of your dog’s pedigree, registration application and/or registration certificate from another registry. You can also submit documentation provided by the breeder such as a contract or bill of sale. The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock.
Should the dog be deemed registrable, AKC staff will register the dog in question for $30. All late fees will be waived.
When you submit your paperwork, please include your name and phone number. You can submit the paperwork in one of three ways:
Fax the information to 919-816-3770. Mark it attn: Registry Research.
Email images to altreg@akc.org. Place Registry Research in the subject line
Mail to:
AKC Registry Research
Attn: Special Services
8051 Arco Corporate Drive Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27617


This is what I did and found out that they could be registered as AKC. Now, I have contacted AKC and the customer service rep said that I would be getting a full registration. So that means that I can sell the puppies as AKC instead of the CKC which I wasn't fond of doing.

bjh 09-15-2009 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802107)
My dogs were sold to me with CKC registration papers. AKC has a research department that will research the lines of your dog and see if it can be registered with AKC as long as the line has not broken. See below:

For a dog with papers from a non-AKC accepted domestic registry
AKC has a new program where we are researching pedigrees of dogs that do not have AKC paperwork to determine if the dog comes from AKC registrable stock.
In order to determine AKC registration eligibility, you will need to send AKC a copy of your dog’s pedigree, registration application and/or registration certificate from another registry. You can also submit documentation provided by the breeder such as a contract or bill of sale. The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock.
Should the dog be deemed registrable, AKC staff will register the dog in question for $30. All late fees will be waived.
When you submit your paperwork, please include your name and phone number. You can submit the paperwork in one of three ways:
Fax the information to 919-816-3770. Mark it attn: Registry Research.
Email images to altreg@akc.org. Place Registry Research in the subject line
Mail to:
AKC Registry Research
Attn: Special Services
8051 Arco Corporate Drive Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27617


This is what I did and found out that they could be registered as AKC. Now, I have contacted AKC and the customer service rep said that I would be getting a full registration. So that means that I can sell the puppies as AKC instead of the CKC which I wasn't fond of doing.
Well, this completely blows my mind. It does not make sense to me. I am happy for you if you can get papers but this is totally unfair to all those breeders that sold pups with limited registration and withhold papers until proof of spay or neuter. Are your dogs registered with the Canadian Kennel Club or the Continental Kennel Club?

blancla 09-15-2009 12:13 PM
Continental Kennel Club, and now it will also be AKC.

blancla 09-15-2009 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2802162)
Well, this completely blows my mind. It does not make sense to me. I am happy for you if you can get papers but this is totally unfair to all those breeders that sold pups with limited registration and withhold papers until proof of spay or neuter.
Trust me, I understand what you are saying. They probably sold the sires/dams with limited registration to the new owners, who then went and got them registered CKC since they wouldn't need much paper work there. Then they bred them and now I can go back and get AKC Papers. I know that it's not fair, and I understand, truely I do. I was just excited to find out that my dogs are from AKC lines.

I didn't start this thread to upset any breeders. I apologize in advance if I did. I was happy and wanted to share. Please forgive me if I upset anyone. I have learned so much from you and other breeders here and want to continue to learn.

Nancy1999 09-15-2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2802162)
Well, this completely blows my mind. It does not make sense to me. I am happy for you if you can get papers but this is totally unfair to all those breeders that sold pups with limited registration and withhold papers until proof of spay or neuter. Are your dogs registered with the Canadian Kennel Club or the Continental Kennel Club?
Actually this only applies to a very few people, if the dogs had been sold originally with limited registration, their offspring would still be ineligible to sign with AKC. There were some breeders who switched over to the CKC even though their dogs were eligible for the AKC, and this applies to some of those dogs. I think at one time breeders signed up with the CKC because they thought it had some advantages, and were sorely mislead. There is more information on the AKC website.

blancla 09-15-2009 12:26 PM
Thanks Nancy. I thought that I was doing something wrong, but that helps clarify it for me.

Nancy1999 09-15-2009 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802206)
Thanks Nancy. I thought that I was doing something wrong, but that helps clarify it for me.
The key line is:

"The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock."

So they not only have to have no break in AKC lineage, but the pedicgree has to originate form AKC registrable stock.

The only problem I have with this is that most people will pay the researching fee and find out that their dogs don't meet the requirements.

blancla 09-15-2009 12:39 PM
Actually, you don't have to pay the fee until you find out if you can register them. They give you a lineage number to reference in the application so that they know what line your dog came from.

Nancy1999 09-15-2009 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802223)
Actually, you don't have to pay the fee until you find out if you can register them. They give you a lineage number to reference in the application so that they know what line your dog came from.
Oh that's good, then I have no problem with it at all, I was afraid they were trying to get lots of people to do futile research, and could be accused of just trying to make a buck. I'm happy this worked out for you.

bjh 09-15-2009 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802197)
Trust me, I understand what you are saying. They probably sold the sires/dams with limited registration to the new owners, who then went and got them registered CKC since they wouldn't need much paper work there. Then they bred them and now I can go back and get AKC Papers. I know that it's not fair, and I understand, truely I do. I was just excited to find out that my dogs are from AKC lines.

I didn't start this thread to upset any breeders. I apologize in advance if I did. I was happy and wanted to share. Please forgive me if I upset anyone. I have learned so much from you and other breeders here and want to continue to learn.
I am not at all upset with you. I am happy for you. I just had not heard of this and I figured it might upset some breeders. I just hope AKC does following strict guidelines like Nancy mentioned.

blancla 09-15-2009 01:28 PM
I hope that they are too. I truely want to do things the right way. I have learned so much here and want to do what's right and ethical.

Sugar's Mom 09-15-2009 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2802162)
Well, this completely blows my mind. It does not make sense to me. I am happy for you if you can get papers but this is totally unfair to all those breeders that sold pups with limited registration and withhold papers until proof of spay or neuter. Are your dogs registered with the Canadian Kennel Club or the Continental Kennel Club?
me too barbara. no doubt these puppies were sold on limited registration for one reason or another and some one , who had probably lied to the breeder, registered them with CKC so they could breed them. This is just wrong pain and simple. makes me want to start spaying mine before they leave me even if it does mean I have to keep them longer. I believe this poster to be totally innocent in thiss but the person that sold her these dogs is as crooked as a dog's hind leg!!!!!:thumbdown

Sugar's Mom 09-15-2009 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2802218)
The key line is:

"The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock."

So they not only have to have no break in AKC lineage, but the pedicgree has to originate form AKC registrable stock.

The only problem I have with this is that most people will pay the researching fee and find out that their dogs don't meet the requirements.
But, the breeder that sold on limited probably has no record that the pups went on limited. BECAUSE, it has only been the past year or so that AKC has made us return the litter registration showing names, addresses and if it was limited or unlimited. She 'could" look on her records if she knew anything was going on but no doubt would not find out that someone registered her puppies in CKC and tossed the AKC. Now, the way it is set up is that AKC CAN pull the record of that dog and see if it was sold on limited or not. They would not have been able to do that a year or so ago. it would have only been the breeders word.

BamaFan121s 09-15-2009 02:56 PM
I'm a bit confused. So in order to do this, the dogs that were originally AKC would have had to have been sold with full registration, right?
So, if the dogs were sold with limited registration, but registered as CKC and then bred...the offspring would NOT be registerable with AKC through this process, right?

rbelland 09-15-2009 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2802346)
I'm a bit confused. So in order to do this, the dogs that were originally AKC would have had to have been sold with full registration, right?
So, if the dogs were sold with limited registration, but registered as CKC and then bred...the offspring would NOT be registerable with AKC through this process, right?
To me it sounds like the original dogs were AKC so they are able to register the litter with AKC now. I think:confused:???? Because they found out the dogs came from AKC to begin with.
So even if a dog is sold with limited registration and went to a different registry to register they can go back to AKC and get pups registered with AKC??????

Do I understand correctly?????

BamaFan121s 09-15-2009 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rbelland (Post 2802359)
To me it sounds like the original dogs were AKC so they are able to register the litter with AKC now. I think:confused:???? Because they found out the dogs came from AKC to begin with.
So even if a dog is sold with limited registration and went to a different registry to register they can go back to AKC and get pups registered with AKC??????
That's what confuses me. If the dogs were sold with full AKC registration, that's one thing, but if they were sold limited, produced a CKC litter, and now those pups are being registered AKC, then that's just plain wrong! :thumbdown

Sugar's Mom 09-15-2009 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rbelland (Post 2802359)
To me it sounds like the original dogs were AKC so they are able to register the litter with AKC now. I think:confused:???? Because they found out the dogs came from AKC to begin with.
So even if a dog is sold with limited registration and went to a different registry to register they can go back to AKC and get pups registered with AKC??????

Do I understand correctly?????
But AKC does have a way of checking now. We used to not have to send that little paper in where we record all our names and etc of who bought our puppies and how. The form was for our own records. Now, we have to make a copy for ourselves and send the original one back to AKC when the puppies are sold.

Nancy1999 09-15-2009 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2802346)
I'm a bit confused. So in order to do this, the dogs that were originally AKC would have had to have been sold with full registration, right?
So, if the dogs were sold with limited registration, but registered as CKC and then bred...the offspring would NOT be registerable with AKC through this process, right?
Yes, that's right.

BamaFan121s 09-15-2009 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2802447)
Yes, that's right.
OK, well that's a relief then.

Of course, this brings up the question of how reliable AKC can be now given the fact that essentially, you could have generations that were unaccounted for, then suddenly registered with AKC again.....:confused: (I think.) What kind of precautions are put into place to guarantee that everything that is being turned over to them for the research is accurate information?

blancla 09-15-2009 04:55 PM
Wow, I truely didn't mean to open a can of worms. I'm sorry everyone. It was not my intention to do anything wrong. I purchased my puppies as CKC registered, didn't know any better. Then I found this new program with AKC. I thought that it would be great if my little guys were AKC lines, which I have found out that they are. I hope that AKC is doing all of the research necessary to ensure that only lines from AKC are being registered correctly.

bjh 09-15-2009 06:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802472)
Wow, I truely didn't mean to open a can of worms. I'm sorry everyone. It was not my intention to do anything wrong. I purchased my puppies as CKC registered, didn't know any better. Then I found this new program with AKC. I thought that it would be great if my little guys were AKC lines, which I have found out that they are. I hope that AKC is doing all of the research necessary to ensure that only lines from AKC are being registered correctly.
I don't blame you one bit for getting AKC papers if you can. It is good that you brought this up because it does bring up a lot of questions. No one is upset with you. We are just trying to understand how it works.

I know there are breeders out there that might have AKC parents but register with CKC to avoid the risk of having to DNA test the parents or because they just don't want to deal with AKC.

blancla 09-16-2009 01:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2802527)
I don't blame you one bit for getting AKC papers if you can. It is good that you brought this up because it does bring up a lot of questions. No one is upset with you. We are just trying to understand how it works.

I know there are breeders out there that might have AKC parents but register with CKC to avoid the risk of having to DNA test the parents or because they just don't want to deal with AKC.
That makes sense. Thanks for saying it though. I really just want to do the right things.

rbelland 09-16-2009 03:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802472)
Wow, I truely didn't mean to open a can of worms. I'm sorry everyone. It was not my intention to do anything wrong. I purchased my puppies as CKC registered, didn't know any better. Then I found this new program with AKC. I thought that it would be great if my little guys were AKC lines, which I have found out that they are. I hope that AKC is doing all of the research necessary to ensure that only lines from AKC are being registered correctly.
I am glad you brought this up so I could understand better! I may not post much but I am here reading everyday:D and learn so much from this forum:)!!!

SET Yorkies 09-16-2009 03:55 AM
Records Research
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2802341)
me too barbara. no doubt these puppies were sold on limited registration for one reason or another and some one , who had probably lied to the breeder, registered them with CKC so they could breed them. This is just wrong pain and simple. makes me want to start spaying mine before they leave me even if it does mean I have to keep them longer. I believe this poster to be totally innocent in thiss but the person that sold her these dogs is as crooked as a dog's hind leg!!!!!:thumbdown
We now spay all females and neuter most males prior to new parents taking them home.... It just eliminates the problems... I am very disappointed with AKC as this is in theory a great idea, but certainly not very practical for the breeders they are expected to support.

BTW, they will do this service for free and then only charge $30 to anyone off the street. Not so for those who support AKC by breeding... after Hurricane Ike and my kennel flooded, they charged me a fee to research as they could not use my scanned images... Probably took 10 minutes since I supplied them with all the info.... and then charged me for the additional copies at a much higher rate than $30.

blueskies 09-16-2009 06:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2802411)
But AKC does have a way of checking now. We used to not have to send that little paper in where we record all our names and etc of who bought our puppies and how. The form was for our own records. Now, we have to make a copy for ourselves and send the original one back to AKC when the puppies are sold.
Actually they really aren't strict about this requirement right now. I know a lot of breeders that never send them in and they have not had any issues or been told to do it.

sweetsophia 09-16-2009 11:20 PM
So I have a question??? Say the dogs were sold as AKC limited from the original breeder but the new owners wanted to breed so they just filed for CKC registration and went ahead and bred the dogs. No papers were ever filed for the dogs in AKC because they would have been Limited. How would AKC ever know that? Am I missing something here? Cause if the dogs were registered full registration and the owners just didn't like AKC and went to CKC there would be no questions right and therefore no research needed?
Maybe it is too late or early as the case may be in the morning for my brain to function!!!! Sorry but something here just doesn't sound right to me. :confused::confused: I am confused!!!

I don't understand what the part of 'the lines cannot be broken' really means. Obviously there would be a break in the lines if the dogs were registered with CKC somewhere along the line and not AKC. Sounds like a break to me!!


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