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Sugar's Mom 09-15-2009 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2802162)
Well, this completely blows my mind. It does not make sense to me. I am happy for you if you can get papers but this is totally unfair to all those breeders that sold pups with limited registration and withhold papers until proof of spay or neuter. Are your dogs registered with the Canadian Kennel Club or the Continental Kennel Club?
me too barbara. no doubt these puppies were sold on limited registration for one reason or another and some one , who had probably lied to the breeder, registered them with CKC so they could breed them. This is just wrong pain and simple. makes me want to start spaying mine before they leave me even if it does mean I have to keep them longer. I believe this poster to be totally innocent in thiss but the person that sold her these dogs is as crooked as a dog's hind leg!!!!!:thumbdown

Sugar's Mom 09-15-2009 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2802218)
The key line is:

"The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock."

So they not only have to have no break in AKC lineage, but the pedicgree has to originate form AKC registrable stock.

The only problem I have with this is that most people will pay the researching fee and find out that their dogs don't meet the requirements.
But, the breeder that sold on limited probably has no record that the pups went on limited. BECAUSE, it has only been the past year or so that AKC has made us return the litter registration showing names, addresses and if it was limited or unlimited. She 'could" look on her records if she knew anything was going on but no doubt would not find out that someone registered her puppies in CKC and tossed the AKC. Now, the way it is set up is that AKC CAN pull the record of that dog and see if it was sold on limited or not. They would not have been able to do that a year or so ago. it would have only been the breeders word.

BamaFan121s 09-15-2009 02:56 PM
I'm a bit confused. So in order to do this, the dogs that were originally AKC would have had to have been sold with full registration, right?
So, if the dogs were sold with limited registration, but registered as CKC and then bred...the offspring would NOT be registerable with AKC through this process, right?

rbelland 09-15-2009 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2802346)
I'm a bit confused. So in order to do this, the dogs that were originally AKC would have had to have been sold with full registration, right?
So, if the dogs were sold with limited registration, but registered as CKC and then bred...the offspring would NOT be registerable with AKC through this process, right?
To me it sounds like the original dogs were AKC so they are able to register the litter with AKC now. I think:confused:???? Because they found out the dogs came from AKC to begin with.
So even if a dog is sold with limited registration and went to a different registry to register they can go back to AKC and get pups registered with AKC??????

Do I understand correctly?????

BamaFan121s 09-15-2009 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rbelland (Post 2802359)
To me it sounds like the original dogs were AKC so they are able to register the litter with AKC now. I think:confused:???? Because they found out the dogs came from AKC to begin with.
So even if a dog is sold with limited registration and went to a different registry to register they can go back to AKC and get pups registered with AKC??????
That's what confuses me. If the dogs were sold with full AKC registration, that's one thing, but if they were sold limited, produced a CKC litter, and now those pups are being registered AKC, then that's just plain wrong! :thumbdown

Sugar's Mom 09-15-2009 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rbelland (Post 2802359)
To me it sounds like the original dogs were AKC so they are able to register the litter with AKC now. I think:confused:???? Because they found out the dogs came from AKC to begin with.
So even if a dog is sold with limited registration and went to a different registry to register they can go back to AKC and get pups registered with AKC??????

Do I understand correctly?????
But AKC does have a way of checking now. We used to not have to send that little paper in where we record all our names and etc of who bought our puppies and how. The form was for our own records. Now, we have to make a copy for ourselves and send the original one back to AKC when the puppies are sold.

Nancy1999 09-15-2009 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2802346)
I'm a bit confused. So in order to do this, the dogs that were originally AKC would have had to have been sold with full registration, right?
So, if the dogs were sold with limited registration, but registered as CKC and then bred...the offspring would NOT be registerable with AKC through this process, right?
Yes, that's right.

BamaFan121s 09-15-2009 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2802447)
Yes, that's right.
OK, well that's a relief then.

Of course, this brings up the question of how reliable AKC can be now given the fact that essentially, you could have generations that were unaccounted for, then suddenly registered with AKC again.....:confused: (I think.) What kind of precautions are put into place to guarantee that everything that is being turned over to them for the research is accurate information?

blancla 09-15-2009 04:55 PM
Wow, I truely didn't mean to open a can of worms. I'm sorry everyone. It was not my intention to do anything wrong. I purchased my puppies as CKC registered, didn't know any better. Then I found this new program with AKC. I thought that it would be great if my little guys were AKC lines, which I have found out that they are. I hope that AKC is doing all of the research necessary to ensure that only lines from AKC are being registered correctly.

bjh 09-15-2009 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802472)
Wow, I truely didn't mean to open a can of worms. I'm sorry everyone. It was not my intention to do anything wrong. I purchased my puppies as CKC registered, didn't know any better. Then I found this new program with AKC. I thought that it would be great if my little guys were AKC lines, which I have found out that they are. I hope that AKC is doing all of the research necessary to ensure that only lines from AKC are being registered correctly.
I don't blame you one bit for getting AKC papers if you can. It is good that you brought this up because it does bring up a lot of questions. No one is upset with you. We are just trying to understand how it works.

I know there are breeders out there that might have AKC parents but register with CKC to avoid the risk of having to DNA test the parents or because they just don't want to deal with AKC.

blancla 09-16-2009 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2802527)
I don't blame you one bit for getting AKC papers if you can. It is good that you brought this up because it does bring up a lot of questions. No one is upset with you. We are just trying to understand how it works.

I know there are breeders out there that might have AKC parents but register with CKC to avoid the risk of having to DNA test the parents or because they just don't want to deal with AKC.
That makes sense. Thanks for saying it though. I really just want to do the right things.

rbelland 09-16-2009 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by blancla (Post 2802472)
Wow, I truely didn't mean to open a can of worms. I'm sorry everyone. It was not my intention to do anything wrong. I purchased my puppies as CKC registered, didn't know any better. Then I found this new program with AKC. I thought that it would be great if my little guys were AKC lines, which I have found out that they are. I hope that AKC is doing all of the research necessary to ensure that only lines from AKC are being registered correctly.
I am glad you brought this up so I could understand better! I may not post much but I am here reading everyday:D and learn so much from this forum:)!!!

SET Yorkies 09-16-2009 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2802341)
me too barbara. no doubt these puppies were sold on limited registration for one reason or another and some one , who had probably lied to the breeder, registered them with CKC so they could breed them. This is just wrong pain and simple. makes me want to start spaying mine before they leave me even if it does mean I have to keep them longer. I believe this poster to be totally innocent in thiss but the person that sold her these dogs is as crooked as a dog's hind leg!!!!!:thumbdown
We now spay all females and neuter most males prior to new parents taking them home.... It just eliminates the problems... I am very disappointed with AKC as this is in theory a great idea, but certainly not very practical for the breeders they are expected to support.

BTW, they will do this service for free and then only charge $30 to anyone off the street. Not so for those who support AKC by breeding... after Hurricane Ike and my kennel flooded, they charged me a fee to research as they could not use my scanned images... Probably took 10 minutes since I supplied them with all the info.... and then charged me for the additional copies at a much higher rate than $30.

blueskies 09-16-2009 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2802411)
But AKC does have a way of checking now. We used to not have to send that little paper in where we record all our names and etc of who bought our puppies and how. The form was for our own records. Now, we have to make a copy for ourselves and send the original one back to AKC when the puppies are sold.
Actually they really aren't strict about this requirement right now. I know a lot of breeders that never send them in and they have not had any issues or been told to do it.

sweetsophia 09-16-2009 11:20 PM
So I have a question??? Say the dogs were sold as AKC limited from the original breeder but the new owners wanted to breed so they just filed for CKC registration and went ahead and bred the dogs. No papers were ever filed for the dogs in AKC because they would have been Limited. How would AKC ever know that? Am I missing something here? Cause if the dogs were registered full registration and the owners just didn't like AKC and went to CKC there would be no questions right and therefore no research needed?
Maybe it is too late or early as the case may be in the morning for my brain to function!!!! Sorry but something here just doesn't sound right to me. :confused::confused: I am confused!!!

I don't understand what the part of 'the lines cannot be broken' really means. Obviously there would be a break in the lines if the dogs were registered with CKC somewhere along the line and not AKC. Sounds like a break to me!!


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