Is this right to do??
 

(Oh~~~ I am so sad... I just finish typing a long post and click submit... the page asked me to log in again.. and everything I wrote disappeared....)

Okie... so I guess I am going to make it short this time...

I had found a breeder about 2yrs ago, she said she is a show breeder and is actived in the show. In her website, she has a nice champion, and all of her females are nice looking yorkie with nice bloodline. Therefore, I gave her two deposit of $500/each to be the pick of girls from the litter. I am very picky with the dogs, so I only want puppies from a certain breeding. By the time when the puppies of my pick was about 8wks old, she told me the puppies are too small for breeding, so she can not sell them to me. I totally agree, so I told her I don't mind waiting for the next litter of the same parents.

Later, I saw she has a very nice imported female available for adoption, so I asked her if I can use one of my deposit on this beautiful imported female. She said okie, but she wants me to pay the total amount for the imported female, and she will let my $1000 deposit go to the balance of my puppy. I think so far it sounds good for me.

Finally, the mommy of my pick was in heat, but she told me she is going to bred her with another breeder's champion, the number 1 yorkie in America. She said the other breeder asked her to sign a contract which stated she can not sell the puppoies out of that champion to the public with full registration. So that basically means, I need to wait for another 6 month for my puppy. At this time, I already asked if I can have my deposit back, but she said the deposit is not refundable, and she was trying to ask me to purchase the puppy from her other females, which those puppies doesn't have the face I like. (Question 1: I thought the meaning of "deposit is not refundable" is only if the buyers decide not to take the puppy of their pick, but when the puppies of their pick is not available, the breeder should refund the deposit, is it??)

Anyways, so I have to continue waiting since she still have my $1000 deposit... for only one pup that was not born yet.

Later, my friend saw she has a champion sired female for sell as a breeder, and my friend would like to purchased her. So I thought maybe I can let my friend use my deposit, and she can pay me back. Therefore, I contacted the breeder again, and see if the would work out. She told me she can only let my friend use $500 out of my $1000 deposit, because she said this way, she won't lose the sell on the "upcoming litter".

Finally the breeding of my pick finally occured, and my puppy finally born. But it's a boy... there is a girl in the litter, but the breeder said she is keeping her. I don't want to continue to wait, so I decide to take the boy.

6wks after the puppies are born, the breeder contact me and ask me to pay in full for my boy. She said all of her other puppies' family had paid in full when their puppies are 8wks old, and she wants me to pay in full for my boy at 7wks old, because she said she will be away when my boy is 8wks old. At that time, she told me, she think the boy will be ready to go at 10wks old. So I go ahead and pay for my boy. But she never get back to me with the shipping detail, so I contacted her again when my boy is going to turn 10wks. Then she just told me she is not planning to ship him until he is 12wks old. I really don't mind the breeder keeping the puppy until he is 12wks old; I sometimes keep my own babies until 14wks old as well. But I really don't feel comfortable of paying the puppy in full when he is only 7wks old...?? I never ask any of my babies' new families to pay in full for their babies until the the babies are fully ready to leave me. (so Question 2: Is it right for breeder to ask the buyer to pay in full for the puppy before the puppy is reay to leave??)

Also, one thing I want to mention, this breeder said she is a show breeder, but she can never take a nice picture for her puppies. Most of her pictures are fuzzy and you can't really tell the face of the puppy. She always use her hand to hold the puppy's head up and high, and you can only see the nose... I had to ask her to retake the pictures, but she just never do a good job. (Question 3: is it normal for a show breeder that doesn't know how to take a picture??)

P.S. My friend who purchase the champion sired female told me the female is not breeding quality.. she has luxating patellas...!!

Sorry for so many question, but I really want to know if all these situation are right or not?? Or it's because I ask too much on a breeder??

Thank you so much for everybody's help

All I can say is what a mess. In my opinion you are dealing with someone that is very unreasonable and possibly unethical. If it were me I would probably take my $500 loss and go somewhere else, depending on how much she is charging for this pup. I definitely would not purchase without seeing some decent pictures. It is good that she will not ship until 12 weeks. I feel she should have gave you your deposit back. I will be interested in hearing what others have to say.

does she show in AKC conformation shows? Is she a member of the YTCA? Have you talked to people that have gotten dogs from her before as to any health issues and so forth?
Are you planning to show this dog? Most show breeders will not sell with breeding rights to someone that is not going to champion the dog.

First of all WHAT a MESS! You should of been able to get your deposit back after she failed to sell you a puppy out of the first litter, the one you wanted. I would have never paid in full until he was able to be shipped your deposit should have been good enough. As far as photos, those can be tricky no matter who you are. Also, if you are looking for yorkies that you can breed, 7 weeks old is far to young for judging weather or not one can be breed. Most of the time, breeding yorkies are purchased between 7-10 months old. That way you will be able to make sure they are of breeding standards, and weight. Hope all works out for you!


Mary

I totally agree with unreasonable and possibly unethical! And now you've had to pay for a male after waiting 2 yrs for a female. Really sad!

What a mess.

The breeder you have picked doesn't sound Kosher.....

The deposit should have been refundable when the dog you picked was not available. And not her telling you what dog you're going to have. You wanted a girl not a boy. The only time it is not refundable is when the buyer changes their mind.

12 or more weeks is fine when selling a pet puppy. But, for a breeder to allow a breeding / show dog go, it shouldn't be until 7-10 months of age.

I don't know if you know this breeder on a personal level, but if not I just can't phanthom selling any of my pups on open registration to someone that I didn't know on a personal level and wasn't going to Champion my dog.

I don't think she is a member of YTCA, but after all these problem occured, I done some research on her, and found out there are also other people that has problem with her...

Right now, I am not even sure if I should keep the boy or not... I will have to wait until my vet comlete all the health exam on him before I made my decision.

But... I think she is selling her dog with open registration to everyone...

phew.. that is a mess. hope things work out for you. i would try and get my money back. she does not sound right to me.

After all you went through she should have, at the very least, let you have the female and not kept it for herself. I would never want to settle for a male if my heart were set on a female and vice versa. I think she has been very unreasonable with you.

What a mess. I hope that you are able to work out some kind of agreement or get your money back. :(

I am so disappointed!!
 

I am very very disappointed!! I got my boy today, and guess what?! He is not even a show/breeding quality.

She told me I am going to get a yorkkie with short muzzle, small nice standing ears, short legs, and short back. And I get a puppy with long nose, long legs, long back, and big floppy ears!! She told me the puppy is chunky but I get a puppy that is huge, it's alot bigger than a discription of chunky. Plus, this puppy has a huge hernia on his belly!! Please!!! How can a show breeder sell a puppy with hernia for breeding, and she didn't even mentioned to me before at all!!!

I called her, and she didn't pick up. I already talk to my local AKC inspector, and I am very disappointed, and I don't think I will let her go with it.

How very sad! I am so sorry this has happened to you. Please don't let this breeder off the hook. You can make a report with the Better Business Bureau in her county, and I would talk to the autorities to see if you have any options. Make notes, take good pictures of the hernia and other undesirable things, keep good records, and go after her. Oh yes, and save all emails between the 2 of you, print them out.

I am so sorry this bad breeder did this to you. Is there anyway you can post pictures of your pup? I know you are reluctant to say the breeders name but I really think you should post pictures and let everyone know who the breeder is. Have you talked to the breeder about getting your money back?

I would have stuck with what I wanted, if she didnt give you what you gave a deposit for take her to small claims. Keep all you information that you have and for sure take pictures of the lil puppy. Tell her what you are going to do if she does not work with you. If she dont answer leave it on her machine, I bet she will call you back.
Good luck.

That is definitely unethecal and does not sound like a show breeder at all, IMO. I hope you are able to get it all sorted out, but it doesn't sound good at this point. She has the money, you have the dog, not likekly that she is going to buy him back.

If the boy was not to your liking, why did you take him. Were you purchasing a show dog? Did you pay the money for a show dog. If yes, that definately take him back. What kind of contract did you have?

Have you met this breeder face to face? If not, I'd definately would have turned the other way and ran when she said she'd sell me a dog with open registration. Doesn't care about her dogs or her lines......

I will definately post pictures of the pup!! I am gonna take some pictures of his huge hernia, and send them to AKC, and I will post some pictures of him, so you guys can see what he look like!! He doesn't have any Yorkie look; he has a totally Silky Terrier look with super long nose!!! I can't believe she even give me a AKC paper shows that he is from Champion Sire!! I can't believe a Champion would produce such a horrible quality!!!

Oh by the way, she didn't pick up her phone call today, nor reply my email!!

I did see the pictures of the puppy, she send me some of the pictures of the puppy at 8wks old, and when I ask for more pictures, she never did. Oh, and guess what, the puppy doesn't look like the pictures at all!!

I will do everything I can, I already call my credit card company to put a stop payment on her, the only thing I lose will be my deposit, but I will definatley make AKC aware of the whole situation.

What a mess and a sad situation this is. I'm sorry you are going through this. I also feel very bad for this little boy.
I hope you are able to get this settled.
Please keep us posted.

I wonder if DNA was done if the puppy would match to the Ch sire? I wonder about that with the puppy I got sometimes.

Whitney

I am so sorry you are going thru this1 People like this should not be breeding! I also think you should post who the breeder is so hopefully nobody else has to go thru what you have.

I couldn't believe the breeder told me the puppy only have a umbilical hernia, so he is still a breeding quality. Of course I know what a umbilical hernia is, and if one of my puppy has it, I will definitely sell it as a pet, and the new owner will be notified first before the puppy goes home!!! I couldn't believe she think it's ok that she doesn't have to mention to me at all, and let me receive the puppy with surprise!! How could a show breeder told me that a dog with hernia can still be show and breed. A hernia is a hernia, even though a umbilical hernia might not coming from genetic, but it's still a defect of the dog!!

She said "... he has tight knees, good bite, straight top line, so that makes him a breeding quality male..." Right, but this male has a floppy ears, and the position of the ear is incorrect, the ears set is just like a Maltese, and the nose is like a Silky. If a yorkie doesn't have correct standard, even he has good knees, bite, and top line, I wouldn't use him for breeding!!

Come on~~ Are we suppose to bred to improve the quality of the breed?? Why this "show breeder" sounds so much like a backyard breeder!!!???

Please, I would like to have some experience and reputable show breeder tell me if it's true that a dog with umbilical hernia can still be consider a breeding quality?? I just can't believe it...

P.S. I am going to post pictures of this puppy later tonight, so everybody can see how big this hernia is!!

I want to post her name too, but I know from other forum, that people post her name and complain about her, has faced a problem that she come and start posting msg with full of "ugly wording"

What will be your recommendation? should I do post it?

Pictures
 

This is the pictures of the boy that I got. I just can't believe he is out of a Champion Sire with nice show line.

I think he looks more like a silky terrier instead of a yorkie. What do you guys think??

Pictures of his hernia
 

These are some pictures of his belly. This pictures are taken right when he arrived, so he was not showerd, and looks dirty.

In my opinion he is not a show quality puppy if that is what you paid for and if that is what your contract says. Yes, I feel you need to let everyone know who the breeder was. I know I would never buy a pup from her.

I think he is a cute yorkie, but not what I would expect either. I do not think you can tell when a pup is only 10-12 weeks old that it is of breeding caliber. You just take a chance, buy the best quality you can, and hope that they will grow to be in standard. Around 6 months old you finally have a good idea what you have bought. I just posted a picture of one of my males from the last litter. If I had waited another month, I would have never sold him!

I do think you should post who the breeder is you bought him from. As long as you only post facts, avoid all name calling, you will be fine. It is important for people to know.

I to, believe if you put down a deposit, and the puppy winds up unavailable or in your case too small for intended breeding, then the deposit should be available for return. Since you first agreed to put on another, that is fine, but when that did not work out either, she should have returned your deposit. I also do not like the for sale ads that do not clearly show the puppy. Some doll them all up in beads and outfits and it is hard to see the actual form of the puppy -- that usually turns me away. I want to see more than just the face held up by the hand too. I want to see how they hold themself, their stance, the topline, a little animation in the expression, full body pics, etc......Even at that, the full evaluation has to be in person. Pictures can be very misleading, even good pics. Sometimes it is not easy to take a good picture of a puppy either. They may not show their true potential. That is the way with me and my photog skills, or lack of skills, I should say. ;)

i'm so sorry you are going through this. You've been thru quite an ordeal with this breeder even before you got a puppy. The puppy is very cute but i understand he's not what you waited for and paid for.

I really think you should post the name of the breeder so that other people don't have this happen to them.