Finding the perfect yorkie

[squirrelyorkies]

My contract states:

The buyer has 72 hours to visit a veterinarian of their choice to verify the health of said dog. Should said dog not be in
good health, the breeder will, upon presentation of a veterinarian certificate stating such and the return of said dog within

2 days of the dated vet certificate, refund the purchase price to the buyer? (the question mark is actually not on the paper version of my contract ~ it was a typo and I had already done the PDF thing...it'll be changed on my site one of these days).

Anyway, that is what it says. If you have a problem with that clause - then DON'T buy a dog from me.

The next part says:

Furthermore, said dog is guaranteed against any congenital disease that proves fatal within 2 years from the date of
purchase. Upon presentation of a copy of the veterinarian certified autopsy report stating cause of death as being

solely

congenital, said dog will be replaced with a similar quality dog as soon as possible by. There will be no money refunded.

What other congenital problems are we talking about that I need to worry about? Cause, in 25 yrs, I've not encountered them. Is it because I am breeding superior quality dogs that have the full backing of my vet (who is a specialst and who, himself, bought a Yorkie from me), that I am not seeing the problems you may refer to? Hmmm...if it is, then I think that speaks for itself.

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

If someone happen to open the door and the dog darts out and get pregnant in the process.. then where is it right to confiscate the dog back ?
and demand a huge amount ?
Because we all know people's dogs do get away from them at times.
Even when they try to be as careful as possible.
I know I had one to dart on me..Thanks god she didn't go far.

I don't see a problem with the holding of the papers until the spay/neuter
is completed.
But, it's not right.
To not give the papers, if you say your going to.
Once the spay/neuter is completed.
If the person paid for a papered dog, then they should get the papers.

And withhodling papers until spay is one thing.. but this girl was co breeding at the time with a girl from my area.. so since she was so aggressive I had to ship her back to canada to hubby and daughter and when shipped back she went directly to the co breeder and she took her to her vet to have her spayed.. then my husband picked her up and paid the bill... well she is 5 years old now and I did not get papers.. so why would she be any better to buy from then a person who breeds two healthy yorkies that have no papers to begin with..
Again if I were a show breeder and did not want my lines to get in the wrong hands I would keep them until they are 6 months old and pay to have them altered myself..
But with her contract alone shows you what kind of person she is and how threatening she can be..
In fact it was thanks to dealing with her I began to breed so I could be the breeder with integrity.. and be a caring person and not just about myself..yes I understand the show world.. but again where are my papers.. and if she did this to me.. how many others has she done this to..is the million dollar question... if something like this happens once.. it happens all the time..I have had yorkies for over 20 years.. so I am not a novice to some breeders practice..
That is my man concern, between parvo is one thing..cost a lot for her to be at the vet one week.. then the agression was terrible, but then her not even shipping papers and calling me an idiot was something no one needs to take the chance with...
anne

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by squirrelyorkies

My contract states:

The buyer has 72 hours to visit a veterinarian of their choice to verify the health of said dog. Should said dog not be in
good health, the breeder will, upon presentation of a veterinarian certificate stating such and the return of said dog within

2 days of the dated vet certificate, refund the purchase price to the buyer? (the question mark is actually not on the paper version of my contract ~ it was a typo and I had already done the PDF thing...it'll be changed on my site one of these days).

Anyway, that is what it says. If you have a problem with that clause - then DON'T buy a dog from me.

The next part says:

Furthermore, said dog is guaranteed against any congenital disease that proves fatal within 2 years from the date of
purchase. Upon presentation of a copy of the veterinarian certified autopsy report stating cause of death as being

solely

congenital, said dog will be replaced with a similar quality dog as soon as possible by. There will be no money refunded.

What other congenital problems are we talking about that I need to worry about? Cause, in 25 yrs, I've not encountered them. Is it because I am breeding superior quality dogs that have the full backing of my vet (who is a specialst and who, himself, bought a Yorkie from me), that I am not seeing the problems you may refer to? Hmmm...if it is, then I think that speaks for itself.

Understand this …I am not attacking you.
I personally don't know you or ever had any dealing with you.
I did state you have nice dogs.
But, I would not be interested in buying a dog with a contract written the way it is.

I am however a little leery of any breeder who has been breeding for 25 years who states they have never had a problem ???.

Show breeders sometimes hide problems in their lines.
I think we all know the famous dog who has produced many progeny with shunt problems.

I have spoken to many show breeders,
From what they have stated about what goes on behind closed doors, would curl most people’s hair.

[yorkiegirl2]

I also don't think mypreciouspups would make a statement like she did,
if there was not something behind it.

[lingenieuse]

http://www.upei.ca/ciddintro.htm This site discussses the inherited problems of the Yorkshire Terrier.

[topknot]

I think that if anyone has a problem with the wording of a contract - it is important to ask the breeder up front and discuss the terms and get answers from the breeder before purchase. I always give a contract to the prospect buyers before they buy. Each person may have their own way of handling any problem that may arise. Reputable breeders will not mind you asking and will share with you, which they can add to the contract how a problem will be handled if needed.
You have to understand too - that a contract is also needed these days to protect both parties. There was a buyer that told the breeder their new pup died to get a 2nd pup, when in reality the pup was fine and the buyer just wanted the 2nd pup free. Sad but true! And there are people that say they are not intersted in breeding when they are. Unfortunely we do live in a world today that you just cannot trust everyone by their word anymore.

I have always given the Limited registration papers after vet confirmation papers of the spay/neuter have been received.

Confirmation showing is for?
If someone wants to show in confirmation, they will and should buy a show prospect or show quality dog. Confirmation is for competition for championship and to prove breed worthy. If you have a dog that is neutered/spay - why would you show in confirmation. Nor could you do this. Any pup sold for confirmation showing will normally be sold with co-ownship and will have full registered papers with both parties names on the papers.

All registered AKC dogs - Limited and full registered dogs may compete in AKC Agility, Rally and Obediance. So if you have a pup that is spayed or neutered with Limited papers you could participate in this part of the show.

If one wants a pup as a pet and not show in any event - JMO - you don't really need papers. For what? To show your friends they have papers? Why?? But like I stated before - I always send Limited registration papers after the spay/neuter confirmation.

The reason of the 72 hour vet check is because there are many buyers that never get the pup they bought checked out after buying it. This wording is to pursuade the buyer to take the pup in so that they can get a confirmation that the pup is healthy. This way you had a vet check it right away to make sure there are no problems at the time and the vet can see how this pup acts when healthy. And usually the 72 hours do not include the weekend since we know vets are closed half day Saturday and all day Sunday.
Too many things can happen after taking the pup - like taking it to a public park or pet store where they have other pets allowed to walk on the floor and they also let the new pup walk on this same floor or the buyer gets another pup from another breeder and it is sick and infects the other pup, or you had a sick pup recently and this new one can also get sick form the germs still in the home. Even when I go to my vets - I always bring in a pee pad from home to place my dogs on so they do not get direct contact with the table. I never let them walk on their floors, and I always change my shoes and clothes before walking in my home and the colthing, shoes, and floor mats in my car get disenfected - just in case I picked up something from the vets. Why do you think some people bring their dog to the vets? I know about this since I was a vet tech and I make sure as best I can I did not bring anything home with me.

If the pup is too sick to be transported - which has never happened to me - then you would discuss this with the breeder and the maybe the vets and decide what to do next. Each case can be different depending on the situation.

But the main thing is to talk with your prospect breeder and discuss the contract and situations that you may be concerned about. A reputable breeder will not mind you asking and discussing this with you. I do have to add that there are also some wierdos out there and some people you can never please no matter what. Ultimately they have to be reasured that their pup will have a great home and be protected.

JMO - Debbie's contract seems to be a normal contract.

[squirrelyorkies]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

I also don't think mypreciouspups would make a statement like she did,
if there was not something behind it.

She needs to PROVE it. I have nothing to prove - never heard of the woman. She says her puppy was co-bred. Well, I've only ever co-bred 1 litter..less than 2 years ago.

But, hey, if you want to believe a liar - that is SO your right. Forgive me while I go laugh....

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by squirrelyorkies

She needs to PROVE it. I have nothing to prove - never heard of the woman. She says her puppy was co-bred. Well, I've only ever co-bred 1 litter..less than 2 years ago.

But, hey, if you want to believe a liar - that is SO your right. Forgive me while I go laugh....

Hummm…… that's a professional attitude.

[squirrelyorkies]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Understand this …I am not attacking you.
I personally don't know you or ever had any dealing with you.
I did state you have nice dogs.
But, I would not be interested in buying a dog with a contract written the way it is.

I am however a little leery of any breeder who has been breeding for 25 years who states they have never had a problem ???.

Show breeders sometimes hide problems in their lines.
I think we all know the famous dog who has produced many progeny with shunt problems.

I have spoken to many show breeders,
From what they have stated about what goes on behind closed doors, would curl most people’s hair.

Understand this: I have no need to defend myself. Also understand that if you would not sign my contract, than you have a motive other than acquiring a pet.

Could you please point out to me where I said I've never had a problem in 25 yrs. Do NOT misquote me...Of course there have been issues, only once AFTER I have sold a puppy...and I stood behind my puppy. Any other issues a puppy may have had are either disclosed or the puppy place - AT NO COST. You are right in saying you can not judge me...you have NO CLUE about me or my high ethical standards.

What famous dog is that? Cause, last I heard, there has been no conclusive findings on what causes liver shunt. If you want to degrade a particular dog, I suggest you go to the source instead of hiding behind a list such as this.

Obviously, if there are things that a breeder has told you that would 'curl your hair' then we now know where your loyalties are...otherwise, it is just gossip or heresay...just like what most of this list is about.

STILL WAITING FOR PROOF THAT I SOLD THIS SO-CALLED DOG...I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WHEN IT IS NOT PROVIDED YOU'LL ALL REALIZE JUST WHAT A LIAR YOU HAVE ON BOARD HERE.

Anyway, got so many more important things to do than waste my time with know-it-alls (more like know-nothings)...think I'll go pick up poop or clean out the toilet...much better use of my time!!!!!!!!!

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Understand this …I am not attacking you.
I think we all know the famous dog who has produced many progeny with shunt problems.

I have spoken to many show breeders,
From what they have stated about what goes on behind closed doors, would curl most people’s hair.

I think you have to be very careful what you say. This is why it is so important that if you want to get into breeding, get into showing and learn who can be trusted. There are many show breeders out there that are reputable and very forthright with their lines. good luck though, as they will not deal with just anyone either.
As for your remark about a famous dog that produced many progeny with shunt problems, I am not sure who you mean.
I do know however, for there to be shunt issues BOTH DAM AND SIRE have to be carriers. So that means the breeder that might have it in their litter box would also have to have a bitch carrier that produced it. The bitch carrier came from????????
Genetics is trickier than most people on this forum will ever even begin to understand.
So I am not going to begin to try to educate from that end as I gave that one up a long time ago here.

[Lorraine]

Cripes, I mean to say whelping box, not litter box. Litter in a whelping box is what I meant.

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

interesting. I just talked to Debbie and she said she has never sold you a dog doesn't have a clue who you are.
I wouldn't deal with you either a year or so ago when you thought I might. No one reputable would as your intent is just to breed and sell.
As I recall you had some problems with someone importing and reselling, broker type I believe. Well, deal with a broker you kind of get what comes with that.

Well I guess her memory does not do her well then.. for I did buy a puppy from her.. and she met me.. and handed her over and said did you bring the money.. told me what teats she liked.. and this is amazing.. In fact I just mentioned to some one I wondered how long it would take for debbie to be on here.. I guess it is quite normal to defend her like this.. after all if one wants a dog from another show breeder.. it would be a code..no matter if you agreed with her practice or you did not..

I have papers with her signature on it.. so I guess that is my proof.. and why would I come here to say I bought a dog from some one I did not.. HELLO!!!


anne

[mypreciouspups]

Debby I do not have to prove anything to you.. I have the paperwork and I bought Sara Lee from you and you know it.. and that is what matters..You threatening emails were sent on at the time to other show breeders in Canada taking out your name and information... and my reply came back and said Debbie H is the only person I would say could sent an email like this..

And your friend was Debbie Nuttal... if that does not ring a bell I do not know what would..I do believe on anther computer at home I have emails from you.. and it seems your friend Nancy bred this dog to begin with and she is a friend and breeder that is a Canadian and was living in New mexico at the time and brought the dog to you.. with your telling me she was not going to be big enough to breed.. so you were selling her...

anne

anne

[squirrelyorkies]

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

Debby I do not have to prove anything to you.. I have the paperwork and I bought Sara Lee from you and you know it.. and that is what matters..You threatening emails were sent on at the time to other show breeders in Canada taking out your name and information... and my reply came back and said Debbie H is the only person I would say could sent an email like this..

And your friend was Debbie Nuttal... if that does not ring a bell I do not know what would..I do believe on anther computer at home I have emails from you.. and it seems your friend Nancy bred this dog to begin with and she is a friend and breeder that is a Canadian and was living in New mexico at the time and brought the dog to you.. with your telling me she was not going to be big enough to breed.. so you were selling her...

anne

anne

WHO BRED THE DOG? You are slandering ME. If someone else bred and sold you a dog that has NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. I have NEVER sold you a dog. PERIOD. You have issues.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

Well I guess her memory does not do her well then.. for I did buy a puppy from her.. and she met me.. and handed her over and said did you bring the money.. told me what teats she liked.. and this is amazing.. In fact I just mentioned to some one I wondered how long it would take for debbie to be on here.. I guess it is quite normal to defend her like this.. after all if one wants a dog from another show breeder.. it would be a code..no matter if you agreed with her practice or you did not..

I have papers with her signature on it.. so I guess that is my proof.. and why would I come here to say I bought a dog from some one I did not.. HELLO!!!


anne

Excuse me, but I am not buying anything from anyone nor is Debbie buying anything from me.
I know it is difficult for you to understand that if you are going to bad mouth someone, that person has the right to say what happened and from the sounds of it, nothing happened.
The deal you were upset about a year or more ago was wtih someone in Edmonton and I couldn't help wonder why in the world you ever got tangled up with the person in the first place and I still don't understand that.