Peggy dear...you sound very immature
 

1. Ohhh, you did it now...never talk bad about the YT breeders...they are highly respected here & Dee is one of em.
2. YOU don't come on here & start stirring up things.

I read the other old thread that you resurrected...I don't understand WHY you would use beautiful CH line Yorkies to make 'Shorkies'.:questione

Me too! The rest can all be "he said/she said" but once he said he did not want his dogs on her ads, she should have removed them. The person who bought another of his dogs also wanted her to stop using the picture of the one she bought, again, she needs to comply. Why she thinks she has rights to pictures of other peoples dogs is beyond me.

On the rest, he said she wanted a small yorkie to carry around, she says she wanted a breeder. Well, the dog should have had limited registration if it was not to be bred. He said she knew about the change in dog before and was fine with it, she says she did not know until she received the dog and was not fine with it. But she has had this dog for a MONTH! No one still knows just how big the dog will be, she may be large enough to breed. What a shame if all that beautiful genetics goes to waste in a mixed breed though! I would love to see pics of her!

No , in Argentina we don´t have limited registration , every dog must be sold in full registration or without papers ( but this also it´s prohibit from FCA to a profetionals breeder like me , we have to sale all our dogs in full registration )

This is a crazy mess!!!! I have one thing to add about the size and her saying she paid for a dog to breed and now it is not going to be big enough. You can never tell a true size a puppy will be + know one has said that you could buy and puppy and it end up not ever being able to have puppies. I paid over $2000 for a stud and did not know until I had a litter of puppies if all his man parts was working. If they did not I could not blame the breeder, that is something a breeder can not see happening.

For as the pictures that is why I would never buy a puppy off the net with out looking into the person BIG TIME. So call breeders use other people's photos, lie about size & Pedigrees. I will stay with breeders that lives close enough to drive to. She should be luck to get a show breeder to sell breed rights to her, but I think if she bought a CH-sired puppy that is what she should have got. 2 wrongs never make a right.

Puppy Size
 

Julie, I agree with you that a person can never truely know what size a dog will end up finishing at but probably 90% of the time. A person can get some "idea" as to a finished size (so I'm told) by using the 8 week times 3 method, 12 weeks times 2 method, or the Yorkie Growth Chart (Yorkie Passion) helps as a guideline. Their chart has this pup at 23+ weeks (she was 23 weeks exact on Monday) to be a 3 lb finished dog. Right now, she weights 2 lbs and 7 oz with her belly full to the brim. If people could see her in person, and see my 4lb male (2+ year old), they would have to agree with me that she's not even going to get near the 4 lb range.

I have no arguements with you or anyone else about her weight it's just that a couple of posts back, some persons were thinking she might make 4 lbs and that maybe she'd still be breedable or what ever. But she won't.

My point to nay sayers (lol) again is this. I purchased two females but one was sold off to someone else. The smaller non-breedable dog was sold and I was never notified. I found it out thru casual conversation weeks later that she was sold to someone else. I wrote and asked how this was allowed to happen and I told how sick I was about this. It was expalined away as the seller decided that she was to small for me, she was sick all the time, I was a breeder and she was NOT the dog for me, etc. So, I blew that off and remained on course for the one dog left. The 5lb (+/-) that I was told would be perfect for the male I have. She was CH sired from CA Wild Make Trouble. She had Turaynne lines on dad's side, mom's side only had
a couple CH's in 5 Generations. Dad's had around 8 in 5 Generations. Stellar Pedigree? A: no! But cute puppies from this mix (IMO) Where I'm going with this is that I "thought" I had purchased a CH sired female. Ended up that what was shipped to me wasn't CH sired at all. I was pleasantly surprised (being sarcastic there) with a itty bitty puppy that is from Emperador 1 and Emperador 1 is NOT a CH dog. Emperador's daddy is a CH (Make Trouble). And Make Troubles daddy is a CH (Turyanne Mischief Maker) and his daddys is a CH (Turyanne Bootin Tootin Jefree (USA AKC REGISTERED). But that's the deal.

Sorry guys , but Peggy Rogers ask me for a very small female so she can take her everywhere , and also she sent to me a website with some ugly stuff for to bring the small dogs ,look like a little bag so scary for the dogs , and she ask me what I think about that , of course I told you which I didn´t liked , but her desition was for a very small female because her dogs are so ugly and big , so she can´t bring with her anywhere , I have that email as a proof , so if any of you want to email me I can resend and you will know the true , I´m sorry I haved to show here all this complain , but this woman wrote wrongs things about me and I can´t leave her do that , just because she change her mind and she want a big female now , and also she used my dog´s pics without permition just for to sale her ugly dogs in puppyfind . Javier .

You ask me for a very small female for to bring with you everywhere , you just ask me if you can breed her when you receibed her , even you wrong because this wonderfull female will be around 4 or more pounds as adult weight , but unfortunally I know now you will kill her because you just want to make money and breed large litters for to sale more puppys , if I call uglñy to your big dogs is just because you call your own dogs in this way in all the emails which you sent to me , you told me which your smaller Yorkie female is around 7 pounds , I can´t imagine how big can be the others , and also you told me which you breed those mix dogs just for to sale them very fast in cheap price just $ 300 each one , I´m realy sad you can have dogs from my kennel , I worked many years for to have this quality , and now they are in your very bad hands , I think we have to bring this complain to the AKC , maybe they can do an inspection to your kennel and see the type of breeder which you are , and what you doing with those mixed dogs , javier .

Yes I can´t understhand that also , I have an email from Peggy Rogers where she told me in natural way which one of the last litters are from two differents sires , yes is a terrible mess , but is true she breed the same large yorkie female with a s**th-zu male and with the small yorkie which I sold to her , so somes of the puppys were Shorkies and others Yorkies , but how she sale those puppys ?? also she give AKC papers to all litter like they are pure Yorkshire terrier ? she made a terrible mess with her dogs , but the problems is she don´t see anything wrong in that , I think she don´t have idea about the ethical rules for AKC registered breeders , I send an email to the AKC , I will send all this complain to them , and I hope they can send an inspection to her kennel .

First Peggy you never sent the deposit for a second female , you just send a payment for one , so because the very small female one was not just small she was T/cup , I haved to sale to a local buyer because she never can make a long flight from Argentina to U.S , the second female was small also , and she never can be 5 lbs , and unfortunally she haved hipoglucemia episode and I found her die in her kennel , this is the only reason wy I sent to you my own puppy , but you realy make me crazy with your mails , because in some of them you asked for a very small female just for to take her everywhere and use that as a promotion for to sale others puppys , but during our emails I can see you are a terrible mess , you breed two differents males (also differents breeds ) with the same Large size Yorkie female , and in the litter somes of the puppys were Shorkies and some others Yorkies ,¿¿ somebody can explain me what is that ?? and later you use my Champion´s pics for to sale those dogs and even you not sure if they are pure breed and who is the real sire ( well the big ones can from the s**th-zu and the small ones from the Yorkie ) this is terrible , you are disaster as a breeder , and I thought which you were a good persons and my dogs will be in good hands , I´m so wrong . Javier .

Unbiased Third Party
 

I do not know either the seller or buyer in this thread but did offer to look at forwarded emails and relate what I read.

Here is the exchange about the pictures:
4/3 Peggy wrote: "...I am wondering if you would mind if I used some of your professional photos of your Yorkies? I plan to use Tiziano and get some photos of him but I want to use more Yorkies than just one. Mine are to ugly. Can I use some of yours? " she goes on to tell him exactly what sort of shots she wants and how many of each!

4/3 Javier wrote: "about the pics , no sorry this is not right , everybody must Show their own real dogs , you can show pics from Tiziano and you can wait for those ladys growing if your other adult aren´t nices , if you care very well their coat they will look like my adult dogs ,"

4/3 Peggy writes: Javier, it is okay if you feel it is wrong to use your photos of your dogs. At least I asked. I can take new pictures of Tiziano, that is not a problem. What I was thinking was if you did allow me to use some of your photos was to put your kennel name there for my potential customers to see. But it is okay. I am not mad and I understand how you feel. Would it be wrong to only use Tiziano's Dad with Tiziano in a photo?

4/3 Javier writes: "Ch. Lion D´Or is not my dog anymore , if you want to use his pics you have to ask to the new owners they are in U.S also I can give you their email address ."

As to the question of size. There are very detailed emails from March
3/20 Javier says "I think if you realy want to bring her to everywhere , Cabriolet will be the best Choice , she will be realy small , both they have excelente silky coat , realy Cabriolet is almost perfect just too small to breed/show , she never can do that ," then he tells her about another dog that is a little larger.

3/20 Peggy says: I am still thinking that I like the small puppy (female) better .... (Then she goes on to discuss some carriers, the puppy purses and another one: "This is "brand new" stuff for here in the USA and very popular. I don't know if I like this yet or not and this is not what I was thinking when I told you that I want a small dog to take everyplace with me. BUT what a way to bring attention to your dogs so people will ask questions and maybe want a business card to contact me to buy a dog later on! Look as this....... Puppy Purses
My idea for a small Yorkie( to take with me everyplace) was something for my purse and for the dog to be hidden yet comfortable. Glam Line! Collection This is what I have in mind. "

Looks like Javier has told us the truth on several counts. He did tell her the female was too small to breed and show and he recommended another one. She said she still wanted the small one. When he had to substitute, he was still going on the premise that she wanted a small one, to carry around with her to capture attention, and not to breed.

When she did get the little female, she wrote to him again. She did not say anything negative about it being a different Yorkie, or being small. She did say she weighed her at 2.5 pounds at 18 weeks and asked what his adult prediction for her weight would be. She also reported she had a small cough when she picked her up. That was it. So, she did not express any displeasure in the pup or surprise that it was a different one from the original one.

I think Javier has gone above and beyond, by providing the emails to be read and information transferred here. He has provided proof that he has told us the truth.

Sounds like the truth just came out.

Javier sorry your are going through this mess and your dogs are beautiful.

I just want to say thanks to Debra for her help , I still don´t understhand what Peggy Rogers want to do with all those bad reporters about me , but if she insist I think the AKC can do something about all this complain , thanks a lot to all of you , javier Coronel .

I'm so sorry to see all this---
 

I have to speak up on Javier's behalf. My impression in dealing with him and others who know him is that he's a very kind hearted man and maybe a little naive and innocent. He'll learn who to entrust his dogs to. I was sad to see how photos of his Lion were used inappropriately on Puppyfind. I'll help Javier any way I can. I have two of his dogs already, couldn't be happier with them, and trust him to advise me as to which to purchase next.
Susan Dodge, Clover Hill Yorkshire Terriers, Boston MA
Clover Hill Yorkshire Terriers

Thanks FlDebra. Sounds like someone got their hand caught in the cookie jar. Then was mad she could not have her way.

Dee, Misty, and FlDebra - thumbs up!

Clearly, by your own admission, you are not very informed as to what all the program entails, so why you continue to insist that others are wrong...I'm not sure. You state yourself you don't have the time nor desire to find out the details of the program, yet you use it as a means to justify your breeding program. Makes no sense... I can assure you, many here DO have the desire and HAVE taken the time to find out the details and were doing nothing more than trying to give you more information about a program you are drawing your own, incorrect conclusions about--to try to help you better understand it...only to have it thrown back in their faces...?

Based off your insults in the other thread, you seem to have no respect for the members here at YT and it's clear you have little regard for anything anyone here has to say--your loss. (Sorry, but insulting the 'everyday' members here as you did in the other thread was uncalled for.) At this point, the argument has pass the point of ridiculous and I doubt that any further efforts to "explain yourself" will be taken seriously.