Please Help...Breeding questions from Newbie

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Couldn't have said it better, but didn't. Just a bit angry to say anything.

I might want to add, in reference to the lil girl a bit too young to breed. Not mentally mature, still a puppy herself and not ready to be a mother, might result in her not readily accepting her pups.

me too, Mary. This is the second thread this morning that has made me just too angry to say much. Some days it just doesn't pay to open the breeders forum.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

me too, Mary. This is the second thread this morning that has made me just too angry to say much. Some days it just doesn't pay to open the breeders forum.

I know Dee, especially coming off a difficult situation, it really upsets me that people don't understand the ramifications that may happen. We hold the lives of these lil ones in our hands. How do you tell someone about the heartache, the unknown, the fear when something goes wrong. If I had to make a choice I'd rather lose a litter than my girl. And let alone that the damage that may have been done to a lil stud.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I know Dee, especially coming off a difficult situation, it really upsets me that people don't understand the ramifications that may happen. We hold the lives of these lil ones in our hands. How do you tell someone about the heartache, the unknown, the fear when something goes wrong. [COLOR="Red"]If I had to make a choice I'd rather lose a litter than [/COLOR]my girl. And let alone that the damage that may have been done to a lil stud.

That's exactly what I told my vet when I rushed my girl back for her section. I said, "at all costs, save my girl". had I lost that girl, I would have completely sold out every dog I have and stopped. I am still thinking about it.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

That's exactly what I told my vet when I rushed my girl back for her section. I said, "at all costs, save my girl". had I lost that girl, I would have completely sold out every dog I have and stopped. I am still thinking about it.

My thoughts originally but, to spay and nueter everything and just be a pet owner. Or to do what some exhibitors do, turn to handling only, since showing is what I love doing, I hate the breeding part. Just do it when I'm looking for my next Champion to add to my breeding program. Or just buy a good dog finish to Championship and spay/nueter and place.

[addicted]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I noticed you asked a few questions and there were a few very important points that were not brought up that may prove to be useful knowledge, just as future reference.

You asked if it was "OK" that the dogs tied so many times the answer is NO! It is very dangerous for dogs to be allowed to free breed and more specifically to tie without close, hands on human supervision. This female (and male) could have suffered injuries as a result--time will tell, hopefully all will be OK. It would not be unheard of for the female to deliver prematurely and lose the litter--semi-common when a bitch has been overbred. Just something to be aware of "in case" so you are not caught off guard.

For the record, no one here has claimed to be perfect and no one has talked down to you. The situation is the result of your brother's actions, not yours. You are trying to make sure that the best interests of the girl are being met. No one is placing blame on you, please don't think that. You are understandably frustrated with the situation, but please try not to lash out at those trying to help you. Sorry to say, your brother is likely a very noble, stand up guy--but regardless to what excuses can be offered in his defense, as a pet owner, he has acted very irresponsibly and his dogs, the female in particular are paying the price.

Thanks.

[addicted]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Couldn't have said it better, but didn't. Just a bit angry to say anything.

I might want to add, in reference to the lil girl a bit too young to breed. Not mentally mature, still a puppy herself and not ready to be a mother, might result in her not readily accepting her pups.

Perfectly said.

[angelakc]

I just hope she is ok and everything turns out good... thanks for taking care of the situation and loving this little girl... best wishes and keep us updated...

[justlucas1]

Lets think about this shall we Ladies and be mature about it.. A few of you have said just "how mad" you are about my situation... LOL
I am a Good Christian woman who runs a Ministry. The owner of this puppy is an amazing Christain man who also works for a ministry. People out here in the real world own yorkies... Does not make anyone a BYB or a Puppy mill case. You all talk about how because you are "breeders" you are somehow "better" equipped to Breed... How? Why? you all own Multiple Females TO BREED>>> Period. Call a spade a spade. No offense intended, but the whole getting 'angry' thing is silly.. I own (1) ONE yorkie and he is spoiled and loved and my constant companion... My brother Owns (2) TWO yorkies and they are likewise loved as much as children. Things Happen Ladies, it does NOT make us irresponsible and dumb. We are put on this earth to show Compasion and Love to one another. I have seen MANNNNY of all of your posts on here, You all speak of the Lord and Praying... yet somehow, when not talking about your Own BREEDING BUSINESSES, you are spiteful and take on an attitude. I am an intelligent woman, You all have a BUSINESS of breeding these precious babies, Some people think that in its self is Wrong, I do not, I do however, think that perhaps instead of acting as if what you all are doing is sooo much Better because you have an LLC name or Corp. makes you the end all be all of Good Yorkie Owners. It does not. I do not wish to be hateful in this message, I Do however, wish to say, remember Ladies, one day Long ago, you too had NO Knowledge of Pregnant Yorkies and you Too needed advice. Your ingnorance Then DID NOT make you a bad or irresponsible person. Show some compasion, think about your days of Not being a Breeder and your Love for this breed... Thats who I AM.. I love my baby and I and my brother did not set out to upset someone or bring up memories of your recent personal struggles with your Whelps... Not Fair, Not Kind and Not what I believe this Forum was intended for... Perhaps I am wrong.. I do know however, I will no longer come to this forum to expect help and knowledge unless I dare somehow think, I can Step up to you all as an Equal Breeder who pretends that I am so much better than the BYB you all Claim to be against.... You still Sale your puppies... Breed On Purpose to make money...Why is that not bad? how are you not BYB breeders? Only you have your own answers, but that is my Point here.. There are Real, Good, Decent people out here that have yorkies that are loved as MUCH as you love yours. Just because we make mistakes does not make us someone to be responsible for your anger and feelings of "just too upset to even respond correctly" or whatever. I believe if Christ had such a little window of how He looked at things and how He forgives us... Welll, He doesn't. Luckily i don't have to go there. I am grateful! Thank those of you who remember being human, real and scared. thank you for the love shown by some... I speak Blessings over ALL of you on YT.... All HIS Creatures Big and small Loved Equally... Food for Thought I hope. Jennifer

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by justlucas1

Lets think about this shall we Ladies and be mature about it.. A few of you have said just "how mad" you are about my situation... LOL
I am a Good Christian woman who runs a Ministry. The owner of this puppy is an amazing Christain man who also works for a ministry. People out here in the real world own yorkies... Does not make anyone a BYB or a Puppy mill case. You all talk about how because you are "breeders" you are somehow "better" equipped to Breed... How? Why? you all own Multiple Females TO BREED>>> Period. Call a spade a spade. No offense intended, but the whole getting 'angry' thing is silly.. I own (1) ONE yorkie and he is spoiled and loved and my constant companion... My brother Owns (2) TWO yorkies and they are likewise loved as much as children. Things Happen Ladies, it does NOT make us irresponsible and dumb. We are put on this earth to show Compasion and Love to one another. I have seen MANNNNY of all of your posts on here, You all speak of the Lord and Praying... yet somehow, when not talking about your Own BREEDING BUSINESSES, you are spiteful and take on an attitude. I am an intelligent woman, You all have a BUSINESS of breeding these precious babies, Some people think that in its self is Wrong, I do not, I do however, think that perhaps instead of acting as if what you all are doing is sooo much Better because you have an LLC name or Corp. makes you the end all be all of Good Yorkie Owners. It does not. I do not wish to be hateful in this message, I Do however, wish to say, remember Ladies, one day Long ago, you too had NO Knowledge of Pregnant Yorkies and you Too needed advice. Your ingnorance Then DID NOT make you a bad or irresponsible person. Show some compasion, think about your days of Not being a Breeder and your Love for this breed... Thats who I AM.. I love my baby and I and my brother did not set out to upset someone or bring up memories of your recent personal struggles with your Whelps... Not Fair, Not Kind and Not what I believe this Forum was intended for... Perhaps I am wrong.. I do know however, I will no longer come to this forum to expect help and knowledge unless I dare somehow think, I can Step up to you all as an Equal Breeder who pretends that I am so much better than the BYB you all Claim to be against.... You still Sale your puppies... Breed On Purpose to make money...Why is that not bad? how are you not BYB breeders? Only you have your own answers, but that is my Point here.. There are Real, Good, Decent people out here that have yorkies that are loved as MUCH as you love yours. Just because we make mistakes does not make us someone to be responsible for your anger and feelings of "just too upset to even respond correctly" or whatever. I believe if Christ had such a little window of how He looked at things and how He forgives us... Welll, He doesn't. Luckily i don't have to go there. I am grateful! Thank those of you who remember being human, real and scared. thank you for the love shown by some... I speak Blessings over ALL of you on YT.... All HIS Creatures Big and small Loved Equally... Food for Thought I hope. Jennifer

No one is angry at you or your brother but, the situation. You say we had to start somewhere. Yes, we did but, a great number of us did not embark on this journey without taking all the necessary steps to ensure that these little creatures are safe and that we are breeding two healthy dogs (not that you aren't) to improve the breed. Most of us studied long and hard, genetics, learning pedigrees, breeding and whelping. Some of us were mentored months if not years prior to breeding. We have all the required testing performed on the two dogs that we plan to breed. These tests costs a lot of money. Along with the tests, the cost that is incurred when raising a litter is not cheap. That and the proper care of the mother prior to whelping and after whelping. Heaven forbid that emergency care doesn't come into play with the mother and pups.....that can run up in the thousands, money that can't be recovered with a sale of a litter.

You say we breed on purpose to make money, your brother will soon find out that this is a falicy, that is unless you are breeding litter after litter in the space of a year. And yes there are those type of breeders that breed and live off the backs of their dogs.

I'm not making any apologies for my passion in yorkies. But, since you brought Christianity into this conversation. The Lord made us stewards of these wonderful animals and breeding should be done responsibly. We hold their lives in our hands.

A mistake, 1 breeding yes, but allowing them to be together and to breed freely over 50 times over 3 days, that is not a mistake, maybe an error in judgement, but not a mistake. I think that we'd be remiss if we didn't point the errors made in this situation.

I hope al turns out well for your brother's girl

[ChantalB]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

me too, Mary. This is the second thread this morning that has made me just too angry to say much. Some days it just doesn't pay to open the breeders forum.

I know... me too...

[Sugar's Mom]

i couldn't have said it better myself, Mary. i wish breeding could be a business but alas, any profit I "might" have made from my new litter just went down the drain at the vets this week. There is no excuse for someone so irresponsible that they let a dog breed "maybe fifty times". i make no apologies for my anger either. religion plays no part in this and I am very leery of someone using religion the way this poster has tried to use it. perhaps this poster should read my thread "Warning to Breeders" then perhaps, just maybe, she will see where some of my anger comes from.

[mypreciouspups]

Wow... girls..I see a thread like this one week.. and it goes like this.. another time a person gets all the help they need..and more compassion then I can ever describe.. oh my how do we pick and choose..

Right or wrong when breeders care for this breed.. why not come here and help..If that were any of you getting such replies.. it would scare the pants off of you.. so why do it to a woman that clearly is trying to look after a yorkie that was bred not by her.. but she is caring enough to try to make sure this yorkie is taken care of.. and with help and advice she might just suceed..
Although I cannot imagine her coming back..
No one said anything directly that was so bad or wrong.. but you posted to make her afraid..but afraid at the wrong time.. the dog is already pregnant..


Dee tell them what happened to your momma and how bad it was for your yorkie and yourself.. tell her in a way you want to be told so you can appreciate it and learn from it.. know what to watch for.. know what not to do.. Teach a person like this..

As for ladymom, thank you for not showing anger to a woman or a girl who did not ask for what she is doing right now..

As for her brother saying all the times this dog was bred.. did anyone actually ask her if this was a guy thing being smart saying ya they must have bred like 50 times..was she saying that comment to us also in her frustration at the moment..

I do not want anyone to get upset.. but how do we choose who we help and who we hurt when they are new members asking for help..

We are not all perfect humans beings on this forum.. although we all like to think we are.. none are.. we learn we make mistakes.. and sometimes life has been rough on us..

anne

[angelakc]

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

Wow... girls..I see a thread like this one week.. and it goes like this.. another time a person gets all the help they need..and more compassion then I can ever describe.. oh my how do we pick and choose..

Right or wrong when breeders care for this breed.. why not come here and help..If that were any of you getting such replies.. it would scare the pants off of you.. so why do it to a woman that clearly is trying to look after a yorkie that was bred not by her.. but she is caring enough to try to make sure this yorkie is taken care of.. and with help and advice she might just suceed..
Although I cannot imagine her coming back..
No one said anything directly that was so bad or wrong.. but you posted to make her afraid..but afraid at the wrong time.. the dog is already pregnant..


Dee tell them what happened to your momma and how bad it was for your yorkie and yourself.. tell her in a way you want to be told so you can appreciate it and learn from it.. know what to watch for.. know what not to do.. Teach a person like this..

As for ladymom, thank you for not showing anger to a woman or a girl who did not ask for what she is doing right now..

As for her brother saying all the times this dog was bred.. did anyone actually ask her if this was a guy thing being smart saying ya they must have bred like 50 times..was she saying that comment to us also in her frustration at the moment..

I do not want anyone to get upset.. but how do we choose who we help and who we hurt when they are new members asking for help..

We are not all perfect humans beings on this forum.. although we all like to think we are.. none are.. we learn we make mistakes.. and sometimes life has been rough on us..

anne

thanks Anne... well said.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

Wow... girls..I see a thread like this one week.. and it goes like this.. another time a person gets all the help they need..and more compassion then I can ever describe.. oh my how do we pick and choose..

Right or wrong when breeders care for this breed.. why not come here and help..If that were any of you getting such replies.. it would scare the pants off of you.. so why do it to a woman that clearly is trying to look after a yorkie that was bred not by her.. but she is caring enough to try to make sure this yorkie is taken care of.. and with help and advice she might just suceed..
Although I cannot imagine her coming back..
No one said anything directly that was so bad or wrong.. but you posted to make her afraid..but afraid at the wrong time.. the dog is already pregnant..


Dee tell them what happened to your momma and how bad it was for your yorkie and yourself.. tell her in a way you want to be told so you can appreciate it and learn from it.. know what to watch for.. know what not to do.. Teach a person like this..

As for ladymom, thank you for not showing anger to a woman or a girl who did not ask for what she is doing right now..

As for her brother saying all the times this dog was bred.. did anyone actually ask her if this was a guy thing being smart saying ya they must have bred like 50 times..was she saying that comment to us also in her frustration at the moment..

I do not want anyone to get upset.. but how do we choose who we help and who we hurt when they are new members asking for help..

We are not all perfect humans beings on this forum.. although we all like to think we are.. none are.. we learn we make mistakes.. and sometimes life has been rough on us..

anne

Anne,

I've been on this board for about 3 years, and have always attempted to teach in a compassionate way. But, week in and week out it wears, I guess I should have walked away and not said anything. However, this afternoon this lady went on the attack in the name of Christianity, that really upset me. You don't walk the walk and just talk the talk, I don't buy it.

[justlucas1]

Thank you preciouspups. You are correct... I have no idea how many times they Really tied... I was scared...Period. What an awesome response you have made. Thank you for seeing my True intent. Dee... I did Not "use religion" I did however, Speak of the lord and prayer.
Seeing your past posts... you asked for it Often. Prayer is for Everyone, no "Religion" needed. Mardelin, well said. You are correct, I respect the time and knowledge it took to breed and do it correctly. IF I had that opportunity I too, would do my research. That was not the case this time. Again, I came, seeking... Some spoke with out judgement... Some, Not so much... I knew full well how to read into the negatives.
I am done with YT... I feel burned hurt and Wrongfully embarrassed. Thanks Again for listening and I do believe some may very well think before they speak next time and hopefully with the compassion Precious spoke of.