Has Anyone heard of MsChif Yorkies?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Isn't that what I stated in 2 posts. Phone conversations, e-mails, interviews, lots of screening before they're allowed.

No one ever suggested you shouldn't do this. This is prescreening, but at some point, you have to either feel comfortable enough with this person to allow them to see you home, or don't sell them a dog. The OP question was, "What would be a substitution for kennel inspections"; my answer is . . . "There are no substitutions".

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

No one ever suggested you shouldn't do this. This is prescreening, but at some point, you have to either feel comfortable enough with this person to allow them to see you home, or don't sell them a dog. The OP question was, "What would be a substitution for kennel inspections"; my answer is . . . "There are no substitutions".

I can't tell you when that point of comfort comes in, but I can usually tell within the first few minutes of conversation, just by a few key questions I ask. The answers that are given tells me whether or not I want to continue the conversation. And then I never reveal whether I have puppies available (which I usually don't). Not having puppies available usually helps in deciding whether to proceed in the interviewing process, develop a relationship and put them on a waiting list. In other words I have time on my puppies side. But, bottom line, I'm still hard line, I have a criteria. Whether or not people want to meet that criteria??????? and they're still my puppies.

Oh! I have no kennel, it's my home, so there are no kennel inspections.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I can't tell you when that point of comfort comes in, but I can usually tell within the first few minutes of conversation, just by a few key questions I ask. The answers that are given tells me whether or not I want to continue the conversation. And then I never reveal whether I have puppies available (which I usually don't). Not having puppies available usually helps in deciding whether to proceed in the interviewing process, develop a relationship and put them on a waiting list. In other words I have time on my puppies side. But, bottom line, I'm still hard line, I have a criteria. Whether or not people want to meet that criteria??????? and they're still my puppies.

Oh! I have no kennel, it's my home, so there are no kennel inspections.

All excellent suggestions! Some breeders have a specific area where dogs are kept or groomed, some don't. I guess it depends on how many dogs you have. The term "kennel inspection" is generic, kennel just mean the dog's shelter, or where he lives. Doesn't the AKC have "kennel inspections" even though the dogs live in the breeder's home? That's how I was using the term.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

All excellent suggestions! Some breeders have a specific area where dogs are kept or groomed, some don't. I guess it depends on how many dogs you have. The term "kennel inspection" is generic, kennel just mean the dog's shelter, or where he lives. Doesn't the AKC have "kennel inspections" even though the dogs live in the breeder's home? That's how I was using the term.

Yes, The AKC does inspections, but for the most part they're checking to see if your dogs are properly identified and your records are up to date. And since my dogs are part of the family they pretty much have the run of the house, so I don't call it a kennel. They have a whole bedroom of their own where each has their own crate which is only used at night to sleep in. Potential new families really don't come to inspect your home, they come to see your puppies to see that that they are clean and cared for. Since my puppies are kept in my bedroom with their mother, in a puppy play pen until the day they go home. Puppies are brought out into a sectioned off area of my living area, where the new families sit on the floor to play with puppies.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by Happyjack

"Selling puppies" is by far my least favorite task as a breeder. BUT I have come to realize that in order for me to continue to breed I MUST sell a puppy here and there. As Mary stated.....it is our rules harsh as they must seem to the uneducated. I no longer allow anyone to enter my home. I have a very nice set up outside on my deck with lots of nice furniture for the comfort of my "guests". Yes I consider visitors to be guests. If one is invited to be my guest then you have passed many tests before we ever get to the point that you are allowed to visit my residence. Making it easy for commerical facilities? Well so be it. My safety and the safety of my Yorkies comes first. I am sorry that so many cannot see the reasons for caution. If you desire a well bred puppy then one should find a breeder and get to KNOW that breeder. These interactions between buyer and breeder should be kept private at all costs. I feel this thread was not necessary. Yes it is buyer beware but bringing complaints to a public forum should not ever happen after one or two emails with a breeder. As long as this crap happens why would you expect us the change and open our doors to the public. A very good breeder has been raked over the coals today without the original poster ever making any attempt to "get to know her". It is a shame.
For the record I am known in the Yorkie world as one of the hardest breeders to get a puppy from...yet I have many many many happy puppy buyers....and many that have come back for second and third Yorkies. I guess I must be doing something right.

Originally Posted by MrsConner_07

I just wanted to know if anyone ever heard of MsChif Yorkie Kennel outside of Houston Texas.If not can anyone tell me where I can read reveiws about her and her kennel.
Thank you in advance

The OP simply asked for any reviews on this breeder. There is nothing wrong with that - infact, that's what we've all been told to do before buying a puppy.

I didn't feel anyone was being "raked over the coals". Opinions were given regarding her response. It was very nice that the breeder came on here to explain why she doesn't let people come to her house. Understandable. But you need to remember that the majority of people here don't know you or her. Her website doesn't have too much information about her or her dogs. I know that a lot of show/breeders/exhibitors don't even have websites - they only sell through word of mouth. Then, obviously, there's no need to "inquire" about the breeder and their practices because you already know about them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is - if you're going to put up a website and sell puppies then you really need to be prepared for people to ask questions.

If that't not your thing, then maybe you need to reconsider how you sell your puppies. Like Mary said... there is usually a waiting list for puppies from breeders who people know about.

I didn't know my boy's breeder but I did ask about her. I saw her dogs and loved them. How else was I going to learn about her? When I finally got through a couple of ladies (and you know who you are) I then had the honor of talking with my breeder throughout the 3 months prior to getting my boy. And what an honor it's been! You know she even offered for me to stay at her house when I flew down to get my boy. There's no substitute for having a relationship with your breeder but both parties have to participate in it.

I'd love to see you both come here more often. We all learn something new everyday. Your point of view on customers coming to your house is understandable and I hope that new solutions are found to protect both parties involved.

[Happyjack]

Originally Posted by cj125

[I][COLOR=navy] I know that a lot of show/breeders/exhibitors don't even have websites - they only sell through word of mouth. Then, obviously, there's no need to "inquire" about the breeder and their practices because you already know about them..........If that't not your thing, then maybe you need to reconsider how you sell your puppies. Like Mary said... there is usually a waiting list for puppies from breeders who people know about.
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I'd love to see you both come here more often. We all learn something new everyday. Your point of view on customers coming to your house is understandable and I hope that new solutions are found to protect both parties involved.

About 95% of my puppies ARE sold by word of mouth or private referral. And yes I usually do have a waiting list.
Honestly I do not come on here very often because I have witnessed way to much bashing of people. (Please do not spam me for my opinion) It is rare that I see a person's mind changed....what they think in the beginning is usually the way they think at the end of a thread.....no matter how much explaining has occured. It all seems like a waste of time to even try and post true statements. Sorry I don't mean to offend....but that's what I see on this group. But on the other hand sometimes I must admit it is entertaining to read the posts. I just don't need this much stress in my life. LOL

[gabbriellew]

This is exactly the point that HappyJack was making. The OP had written me precisely two emails. I answered and had not had the chance to even talk to her on the phone at all. No decision had been made on either side. I do not retouch pictures of my dogs at all. They are what you see. IMO, the post to ask about me was premature, but most of all I believe that too many people are far too willing to jump on anything and show it in the worst possible light. It is very like trying to define a puppymill, often it is simply someone with one more dog than you have or a term used to inflame people against someone you do not like. We all need to be more careful. It is easy to throw stones and far more difficult to walk in someone's shoes and find out the facts for yourself. Please bear in mind that a breeder is not required to put her safety on the line to sell you a dog. She also does not have to give up every shred of privacy to satisfy a casual shopper's curiosity. Questions about a breeder's records and litter sizes and so on are not appropriate. They are also not public record. I have belonged to this forum for more than four years. I rarely post just for exactly these reasons. I appreciate those that attempted to be a voice of reason and thank them very much. For those that find fault, that is your priviledge and you certainly need never buy from me.

[Mardelin]

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I didn't know my boy's breeder but I did ask about her. I saw her dogs and loved them. How else was I going to learn about her? When I finally got through a couple of ladies (and you know who you are) I then had the honor of talking with my breeder throughout the 3 months prior to getting my boy. And what an honor it's been! You know she even offered for me to stay at her house when I flew down to get my boy. [I][QUOTE]

Now Connie are you referring to the grilling I put you through before I gave you her information and then called her and told her you passed the muster?

[cj125]

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Now Connie are you referring to the grilling I put you through before I gave you her information and then called her and told her you passed the muster?

Of course I am Mary! LOL! You were the hardest out of them all!
I'm stil in such awe of her that my hubby thinks I act like she's a movie star or something. LOL~

[Mardelin]

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Originally Posted by cj125

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[I]I didn't know my boy's breeder but I did ask about her. I saw her dogs and loved them. How else was I going to learn about her? When I finally got through a couple of ladies (and you know who you are) I then had the honor of talking with my breeder throughout the 3 months prior to getting my boy. And what an honor it's been! You know she even offered for me to stay at her house when I flew down to get my boy. [I]
Of course I am Mary! LOL! You were the hardest out of them all!
I'm stil in such awe of her that my hubby thinks I act like she's a movie star or something. LOL~

In awe of her, I'm scared of her......she still has the ability of making me mute. She is a wonderful Steel Magnolia. I'm really lucky to have her as my mentor, friend and adopted mother.

[YoRkiE Te aMo]

just an opinion of my own...
i think if someone has a real interest in the breed they should attend dog shows for that particular breed and this way they can meet the breeders and learn more about the breed from the breeders before deciding and purchasing a dog.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by gabbriellew

This is exactly the point that HappyJack was making. The OP had written me precisely two emails. I answered and had not had the chance to even talk to her on the phone at all. No decision had been made on either side. I do not retouch pictures of my dogs at all. They are what you see. IMO, the post to ask about me was premature, but most of all I believe that too many people are far too willing to jump on anything and show it in the worst possible light. It is very like trying to define a puppymill, often it is simply someone with one more dog than you have or a term used to inflame people against someone you do not like. We all need to be more careful. It is easy to throw stones and far more difficult to walk in someone's shoes and find out the facts for yourself. Please bear in mind that a breeder is not required to put her safety on the line to sell you a dog. She also does not have to give up every shred of privacy to satisfy a casual shopper's curiosity. Questions about a breeder's records and litter sizes and so on are not appropriate. They are also not public record. I have belonged to this forum for more than four years. I rarely post just for exactly these reasons. I appreciate those that attempted to be a voice of reason and thank them very much. For those that find fault, that is your priviledge and you certainly need never buy from me.

I applaud you for this post. So many people will call or email with their "list" of questions (that someone on here has thought up that shows you are a good breeder). most of the questions are inappropiate. I generally try to answer them when I really want to say it's none of their business. Breeders don't have to give their lives over to people wanting to buy pups. My personal life is none of a buyers business. I am always willing to answer questions but sometimes I just shake my head at how silly the questions are. of course if you don't answer them that is a huge "RED FLAG". according to the powers that be on this board. I am also so sorry someone had the audacity to google your address and post your private residence on here. That served no purpose at all except trying to dig and find out all the dirt they could when it was really none of their business. That is what upset me so bad yesterday. The extremes that some people will go to in order to stick their nose into someone else's business. people that have no interest in buying your puppies and have no experience with you have no right to go to that extreme. Needless to say, my ignore list grew yesterday. and I'm sure I got added to a few also. LOL Good luck selling your puppies. i wish you would put more pictures on your website tho. I love to look at nice dogs.

[gabbriellew]

Thank you Dee. The funniest part is that the addy posted truly is not correct. That is a part of town as you come in from the freeway and is quite industrial. At this time, I do not have any puppies for sale at all. The OP was looking for around December and I only told her I "might" have something then but could not promise.
As to my website, I always have good intentions but not so much time. I really will try to update it soon. I am techno challenged with it so doing anything on there takes me forever. We are hitting the show season now so I will be pretty busy with that this summer and well into the fall.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by gabbriellew

Thank you Dee. The funniest part is that the addy posted truly is not correct. That is a part of town as you come in from the freeway and is quite industrial. At this time, I do not have any puppies for sale at all. The OP was looking for around December and I only told her I "might" have something then but could not promise.
As to my website, I always have good intentions but not so much time. I really will try to update it soon. I am techno challenged with it so doing anything on there takes me forever. We are hitting the show season now so I will be pretty busy with that this summer and well into the fall.

The fact that someone posted an out building (that was not your property) isinuiating the possibility of a Puppy Mill. I don't think that people are aware that many big time reputable breeders do have a "true kennel", with a grooming room, whelping room, puppy room, kitchen, excersise area and indoor rings for training. How do you think they have as many Champions as they do. These kennels are state of the art with kennel help, with a vetenarian on call at all times. Dogs are still loved, well taken care of. I don't know where along the way it was decided that if you housed your dogs in a detached building, you were a puppy mill.

[gabbriellew]

I don't know either Mary, but the truth is that, like you, my dogs are in my house, any puppies that I whelp are whelped in my house, dogs sleep in my bed and beside my bed and when i am gone, they are crated for safety with the exception of an old rescue girl I have that rules the roost anyway. I will never be one of the "big" breeders but certainly some of them have very state of the art facilities and have made major contributions to the breed