Has Anyone heard of MsChif Yorkies?

[hannahallen]

Originally Posted by Happyjack

I just wanted to say I am appalled at these posts about Ruth of MsChif Yorkies. I own one of her Championed sired puppies. He is the most beautiful AND healthy Yorkie I have ever owned. He is currently being shown and will become a champion himself. As to visiting a breeders home.....it is just too damn dangerous. Too many breeders have been robbed and/or killed because they allowed strangers to enter their home. Another problem is a breeder cannot determine if someone is REALLY an animal terrorist from peta or the humane society. Do a google search and you will find the news stories about both of these situations. Also visiting the home is no guarantee the dog is well-bred or healthy. I have friends who can attest to that fact. What is important is the breeders testing procedures, personal integreity, the health guarantee and the willingness to stand behind her dog for it's whole life. It's too bad the the poster of this thread has missed out on getting a really GREAT Yorkie.

Also I have friend who lives in the mid west who only a couple of weeks ago showed a Maltese puppy to a buyer. The "buyer" returned when she was not home...broke her door down and stole the puppy. The police were of no help! She used an online service to track the person.....found the puppy and turned him into the police. The police recovered her puppy and he is home safe. BUT why should we be exposed to this type of activity? Can anyone tell me why should a breeder give up all their privacy and put their life on the line to sell you a puppy.

I am glad to hear that someone else on here knows Ruth and can attest to her honesty and integrity. However, the caution you speak of that is so necessary for Breeder's to take, is also true for buyers. The door swings both ways. Every customer must take vital precautions before spending many dollars on such a long commitment. The members here were not attacking Ruth in any way. For all we know, she could be one of the best breeders around. We were simply advising the OP to be cautious. Too many of us have unfortunately been caught up in some form of scan. I know I have.
But again, thank you for your message. I am glad that you have a wonderful furbaby!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by gabbriellew

Thank you Mary, I hope to see you at the Houston Specialty this year again. Also thank you to HappyJack, I can hardly wait until he really matures and is out there winning.
Ruth

Won't be in Houston this year, would you believe I'm expecting 2 litters then. Am I crazy or what, but you can't outsmart mother nature. I will be at the Dallas Specialty in September.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I know Ruth on a personal level, and she's not a BYBer, Puppy Miller, nor does she sell to Brokers. She's a fellow exhibitor/breeder, several YTCA members know her and have allowed her to own their dogs.

Ruth,

This is Mary/Mardelin Yorkies how are you doing?

No one is saying that she's a backyard breeder, and I understand lots of you do not like the HSUS. However, they are one of the few organizations that are cracking down on puppy millers without wanting to harm the small home breeder. I'm not even suggesting her dogs aren't wonderful. I'm saying that a caring breeder would never allow one of her offspring to go into someone's hands, who she wouldn't allow in the house. She needs to get to know her buyers, and if she isn't comfortable, having them in her home, she shouldn't sell to them. Would you sell a pup to someone you wouldn't have in your home? This makes no sense to me.


Wouldn't a commercial breeder use this same excuse? How is the puppy buyer to know the difference?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by hannahallen

I am constantly looking at this website: Yorkshire Terrier Club of America About The Club

Texas has some of the most breeders listed!

And some of the best breeders that aren't listed.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

No one is saying that she's a backyard breeder, and I understand lots of you do not like the HSUS. However, they are one of the few organizations that are cracking down on puppy millers without wanting to harm the small home breeder. I'm not even suggesting her dogs aren't wonderful. I'm saying that a caring breeder would never allow one of her offspring to go into someone's hands, who she wouldn't allow in the house. She needs to get to know her buyers, and if she isn't comfortable, having them in her home, she shouldn't sell to them. Would you sell a pup to someone you wouldn't have in your home? This makes no sense to me

Wouldn't a commercial breeder use this same excuse? How is the puppy buyer to know the difference?

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

And some of the best breeders that aren't listed.

That is right. Some members do not want to be listed and some peope are not members yet, even though they follow their rules. Best is word of moith recommendations.

P.S. I got to know Ruth since my dogs showed in TX.

[gabbriellew]

Allow me to elaborate. Too many breeders have been robbed after buyers came to their home and then waited for them to leave. Too many breeders have been horribly beaten up and robbed. Too many breeders have been victimized by some AR fanatic that wants to end all breeding and turned them in on bogus animal charges. I clearly stated that after I am totally comfortable with someone, I will allow them to come to my home. I do not have any husband or big burly male to protect me and in any event that would not protect my dogs if I have to leave home to go to the grocery.
In any given year I may have one litter. The biggest year I have ever had was two puppies for sale and I do not even have anything for sure at this time and told the person that.
I only breed hoping for that one magic dog that will set the world on fire. This is a common goal among those of us that show. If I do not sell a puppy, it is of no concern to me as I am careful to keep my numbers small and any puppy born here is always loved and welcome here. The few people that have gotten a puppy from me are extended family and I love the updates on the puppies as they mature. I am only willing to sell to someone that I feel will provide at least as good a home as I do. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if I am not the right breeder for any particular person that is fine with me as well. I urge any puppy buyer to only buy from a breeder that they like and feel comfortable with and that will be there for them always.
Ruth

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by gabbriellew

Allow me to elaborate. Too many breeders have been robbed after buyers came to their home and then waited for them to leave. Too many breeders have been horribly beaten up and robbed. Too many breeders have been victimized by some AR fanatic that wants to end all breeding and turned them in on bogus animal charges. I clearly stated that after I am totally comfortable with someone, I will allow them to come to my home. I do not have any husband or big burly male to protect me and in any event that would not protect my dogs if I have to leave home to go to the grocery.
In any given year I may have one litter. The biggest year I have ever had was two puppies for sale and I do not even have anything for sure at this time and told the person that.
I only breed hoping for that one magic dog that will set the world on fire. This is a common goal among those of us that show. If I do not sell a puppy, it is of no concern to me as I am careful to keep my numbers small and any puppy born here is always loved and welcome here. The few people that have gotten a puppy from me are extended family and I love the updates on the puppies as they mature. I am only willing to sell to someone that I feel will provide at least as good a home as I do. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if I am not the right breeder for any particular person that is fine with me as well. I urge any puppy buyer to only buy from a breeder that they like and feel comfortable with and that will be there for them always.
Ruth

I'm very sorry if I offended you, I wouldn't allow just anyone in my home either, but this is a huge red flag, if a breeder doesn't allow it. I was responding to this post. She didn't add that eventually she would be allowed to see your house/kennels.

Originally Posted by MrsConner_07

Well I spoke with Ruth the breeder at Mschif Yorkie Kennels she answered all my questions to my satisfaction but she told me she dosen't allow the general public to enter her home because of previous breeders mishaps robbery,assault,etc. What should I do to subsitute for the kennel visit.Keep in mind she wants to do a home visit on at my house.What to do?What to do?lol

She asked for a substitution, for a kennel visit and I don't believe there is any substitution. I'm just so happy to read someone is really concerned about how these dogs are being raised, and willing to go to much more trouble than the average buyer, she sounds like she would be an excellent pet owner.


I want to add, that I have read of many accounts where buyers were scammed when they met at neutral places, such a mall or restaurant.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by gabbriellew

Allow me to elaborate. Too many breeders have been robbed after buyers came to their home and then waited for them to leave. Too many breeders have been horribly beaten up and robbed. Too many breeders have been victimized by some AR fanatic that wants to end all breeding and turned them in on bogus animal charges. I clearly stated that after I am totally comfortable with someone, I will allow them to come to my home. I do not have any husband or big burly male to protect me and in any event that would not protect my dogs if I have to leave home to go to the grocery.
In any given year I may have one litter. The biggest year I have ever had was two puppies for sale and I do not even have anything for sure at this time and told the person that.
I only breed hoping for that one magic dog that will set the world on fire. This is a common goal among those of us that show. If I do not sell a puppy, it is of no concern to me as I am careful to keep my numbers small and any puppy born here is always loved and welcome here. The few people that have gotten a puppy from me are extended family and I love the updates on the puppies as they mature. I am only willing to sell to someone that I feel will provide at least as good a home as I do. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if I am not the right breeder for any particular person that is fine with me as well. I urge any puppy buyer to only buy from a breeder that they like and feel comfortable with and that will be there for them always.
Ruth

So, if one doesn't want to abide by our criteria so be it. A bit of a hardline attitude but, since we aren't about selling puppies.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

So, if one doesn't want to abide by our criteria so be it. A bit of a hardline attitude but, since we aren't about selling puppies.

I hope some of you breeders rethink your position on this, you are making it so easy for large commercial facilities and puppy mills to mislead the public, and say, "You can't visit the premises because we aren't in the business of "selling puppies". Furthermore, how many times have you breeders been mislead by other breeders? It takes many different people working together to end the puppy mill situation, and I'm so disappointed when I hear someone making it that much harder for the average consumer to get involved. I don't care if someone shows or is a member of the YTCA. Before they hand over a dog, they should trust the person enough to allow them into their home. No exceptions. While I consider myself an advocate of good breeding practices, first and foremost, I consider myself an advocate for the dogs, how they are being bred, and what kind of homes they are going to.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

So, if one doesn't want to abide by our criteria so be it. A bit of a hardline attitude but, since we aren't about selling puppies.

I have been overly careful in the last few years. Just too many crack pots out there. I usually let people see my dogs only on the front porch now. I do not want, basically, strangers snooping in my house. The last people brought their children and when I invited them inside, the "children" ran willy nilly through my house and started jumping on my furniture. They got my dogs in such an up-roar that I told them to leave. Then you sit there afraid that they may call animal control on you. That happened to me once also. I had someone turn me in for animal cruelty because I wouldnt GIVE him a puppy. I invited the sheriff in and they looked all around my house and were very happy and found nothing wrong. You just dont know who is an animal rights nut or a thief. Two years ago a breeder/exhibitor showed a litter of Bulldogs to some people. They waited behind her house until she left to go to the store and stole her puppies. I try to get a "feel" for people when they call and I am very lucky that most have been wonderful people.
But I do understand the concerns of the OP and am glad to see they are doing their homework instead of buying the first puppy they see.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I hope some of you breeders rethink your position on this, you are making it so easy for large commercial facilities and puppy mills to mislead the public, and say, "You can't visit the premises because we aren't in the business of "selling puppies". Furthermore, how many times have you breeders been mislead by other breeders? It takes many different people working together to end the puppy mill situation, and I'm so disappointed when I hear someone making it that much harder for the average consumer to get involved. I don't care if someone shows or is a member of the YTCA. Before they hand over a dog, they should trust the person enough to allow them into their home. No exceptions. While I consider myself an advocate of good breeding practices, first and foremost, I consider myself an advocate for the dogs, how they are being bred, and what kind of homes they are going to.

I'm not sure what Ruth's criteria is, however, I stated mine. But, as she stated and most breeder/exhibitors goals are to breed that next yorkie that will set the world on fire, not to breed to sell puppies. Selling is not our goal. Most of us have a waiting list for those puppies that don't have that extra quality we're looking for. Most of us don't advertise and our potential new families come to us by repeat buyers and word of mouth. So, the trust has been established and families have already been approved way before a breeding is completed.
I don't just allow anyone into my home without knowing their full intentions. There are multiple phone calls, e-mails exchanged, etc. And not before my pups are 8 weeks of age. My potential families have to meet all my qualifications, as I theirs.

With all the legislation that is being imposed most of us breeder exhibitors will not have the option of breeding much longer. The only breeders that will remain are the BYBers, Puppy Mills, Brokers and Pet stores. They're the only ones that will be able to pay the astronomical fees that will be imposed. And yes, HSUS and PETA are behind the new legislation that is in Sacramento that will do away with Breeder/Exhibitors in CAlifornia. And what happens in California goes the way of the rest of the country

[Happyjack]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I hope some of you breeders rethink your position on this, you are making it so easy for large commercial facilities and puppy mills to mislead the public, and say, "You can't visit the premises because we aren't in the business of "selling puppies". Furthermore, how many times have you breeders been mislead by other breeders?

"Selling puppies" is by far my least favorite task as a breeder. BUT I have come to realize that in order for me to continue to breed I MUST sell a puppy here and there. As Mary stated.....it is our rules harsh as they must seem to the uneducated. I no longer allow anyone to enter my home. I have a very nice set up outside on my deck with lots of nice furniture for the comfort of my "guests". Yes I consider visitors to be guests. If one is invited to be my guest then you have passed many tests before we ever get to the point that you are allowed to visit my residence. Making it easy for commerical facilities? Well so be it. My safety and the safety of my Yorkies comes first. I am sorry that so many cannot see the reasons for caution. If you desire a well bred puppy then one should find a breeder and get to KNOW that breeder. These interactions between buyer and breeder should be kept private at all costs. I feel this thread was not necessary. Yes it is buyer beware but bringing complaints to a public forum should not ever happen after one or two emails with a breeder. As long as this crap happens why would you expect us the change and open our doors to the public. A very good breeder has been raked over the coals today without the original poster ever making any attempt to "get to know her". It is a shame.

For the record I am known in the Yorkie world as one of the hardest breeders to get a puppy from...yet I have many many many happy puppy buyers....and many that have come back for second and third Yorkies. I guess I must be doing something right.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by gabbriellew

I am more than happy to be checked out. As I told the original poster, my reasons for no longer allowing anyone to come to my home is due to the fact that last year a yorkie breeder in Florida was murdered. A couple of show breeders that I know of personally have been brutally assaulted and dogs stolen. I also know of a rash of other breeders whose homes have been broken into and dogs stolen, most recently two weeks ago. I understand the desire to see where the dog came from, but I have a primary responsiblity to protect my dogs and my family. I am more than happy to give references and I apologize that I just haven't had time to do more with my website. I have very few puppies for sale as I do not breed very often and am extremely concerned that they have the best home possible. I have had buyers wait more than six months for a pup from me and I will not sell at all if I am not convinced that it is a good setting for the dog.
I do think that it is a very good thing to inquire as to other's experiences with a breeder but it may well be that with all the crazies out there, not to mention AR freaks, you will find that fewer and fewer of us will expose ourselves to that risk. If things keep up with all the legislation, you may not be able to buy from a small home breeder at all anymore. Only commercial breeders will be able to afford the increasingly onerous regulations and they are trying to eliminate puppies born in the house and raised in the house as it is.
Ruth

Now I understand and I dont blame you one bit..Please take care

[Mardelin]

[QUOTE=Happyjack;2679364For the record I am known in the Yorkie world as one of the hardest breeders to get a puppy from...yet I have many many many happy puppy buyers....and many that have come back for second and third Yorkies. I guess I must be doing something right.[/QUOTE]

You too? My vet will often refer me to people that are wanting a yorkie and he always tells them, "You'll sooner find a cure for AIDS than get a puppy from her. She's tough, but if you pass her tests, you'll get a quality yorkie"