How much should stud fee's be?

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by yorkiegold

Most stud contracts guarantee a litter which is usually defined as two live puppies. If no litter results from a breeding, a free repeat service is usually offered. We usually pay half at the time of breeding and half when the litter is whelped.

Giving puppies for the stud fee gets complicated. Who gets to pick? What if stud dog owner wants a female and there are only males whelped. What if the stud dog owner can't make up his/her mind until the puppies are 12 weeks old. They will almost always want the same puppy you do.

Cash makes everything much simpler.


That's one way to go. Whatever you decide, you need to put down the terms and conditions in writing. I just recently researched this topic and there are all kinds of stud service contracts on the web with all different kinds of conditions.

Traditionally stud fee equals the price of a puppy, so I don't think it would be wrong! Depends on what you want from the breeding.


CJ

I totally agree 100%. I couldn't put all of it in my post...because I was at work and have to be sneaky! If the stud is yours then you state the price. They are buying a service from you.

[feminvstr]

Yorkiegold I havent used them as yet I wanted to see what Benz brought to the table. But trust me I will be using a ch stud on ashlee and mercedes and they are not charging the cost of a puppy for the service!

[HisNameIsHarley]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Yorkiegold I havent used them as yet I wanted to see what Benz brought to the table. But trust me I will be using a ch stud on ashlee and mercedes and they are not charging the cost of a puppy for the service!

So are you saying that Yorkiegold is charging too much for a stud fee by charging her males worth at it's date of purchase or too little? I'm pretty much confused! lol

[Olivier]

I will never pay what the male cost to a person for a stud fee .

[HisNameIsHarley]

Originally Posted by Olivier

I will never pay what the male cost to a person for a stud fee .

Then what do you pay and how do you yourself determine the stud fee? I'm just very interested in how to come about reaching the correct price range that's fair both to myself and the other owner.

[feminvstr]

Here in Oregon the average male pups sells for $1000 that is what Yorkiegold had hers advertised for in our local paper (if I remember correctly)...So I believe she is saying stud fee should be upward to $1000 there is NO WAY I would ever pay that nor should anyone have to, to get an excellent pedigree IMHO.

[HisNameIsHarley]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Here in Oregon the average male pups sells for $1000 that is what Yorkiegold had hers advertised for in our local paper (if I remember correctly)...So I believe she is saying stud fee should be upward to $1000 there is NO WAY I would ever pay that nor should anyone have to, to get an excellent pedigree IMHO.

Wow, that's A LOT of money.. Goodness, I never even considered anything to that mass amount. But to everyone their own!

Sry to be off topic but I went to your website and your babies are sooo beautiful! I loved all the pics!

[feminvstr]

awww thank you so much for visiting my kids I am so very proud of them and I love the outcome of both breedings.

What I suggest you do in your local area call a few breeders from breeders.net, shooters list and the YTCA asking what they charge for stud fee.

To make your decision, you need to have your pedigree and knowledge of your little mans past to really know what to charge.

Have a knowledgable breeder take a unbias look at your kid ask for her honest advice whether or not he would qualify as a attractive stud to other qualified breeders. We tend to be bias about our little guys so its best to always get an outside experienced opinion!

If he has a lot of red in his pedigree and sought after lines then that would be one price. Absent of red would be another and a splash of red would be another.

[yorkiegold]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Here in Oregon the average male pups sells for $1000 that is what Yorkiegold had hers advertised for in our local paper (if I remember correctly)...So I believe she is saying stud fee should be upward to $1000 there is NO WAY I would ever pay that nor should anyone have to, to get an excellent pedigree IMHO.

Stud owner fixes the fee. Stud dog owner approves the bitches. If you want the stud, you pay what they ask, get the genetic/health testing they require and sign whatever they ask you to sign.

Some people are breeding to make money and they'll breed to whatever's handy rather than paying a fair price to breed to a finished champion. It can cost $3,000 and up to finish a dog yourself and the sky's the limit if you hire a professional handler and campaign the dog nationally. The owner of a finished champion deserves every penny they get. Even though you may be able to get a champion sire with a 90% red pedigree (for what that's worth) for $650, I would rather pay more for the one that's producing champions, has years of careful health screening behind it, etc. Many serious breeders will ship their bitches half way across the continent to get the stud that's a perfect fit for their bitch regardless of what percent of the pedigree is red. I know Rottweiler champions that command $1,500 for a stud fee and no one blinks an eye.

But to the original poster's point, it can be a hassle to breed, your male will be nearly impossible to housetrain after breeding, even though you may decide to neuter him. Don't settle for less than you think it's worth to you personally. It's traditional (and recommended) for the bitch to come to the stud dog. Depending on travel distance issues, you may be required to keep the bitch over a period of several days. If one or the other is injured during the process (unlikely, but with a maiden bitch and virgin stud your chances go up) you will be responsible for getting whatever medical attention is needed. You would be responsible for keeping the bitch from being bred or hurt by any other male dog during this time which means Fort Knox security. Your boy will lose his tiny little mind for the 3-5 days time period the breeding will cover.

So don't do it for less than what it's worth to you. I don't care if you're overcharging for what you have or offering the bargain of the century, set the price that makes it worth the hassle to you. If the bitch owner doesn't like it, tell them to go find another stud.

CJ

[YorkieRose]

It is quite common for pet breeders to charge the price of a puppy for a fee...but you will not find show breeders who do that..at least I have never been charged more then $500 (2002)..and that is a champion stud. I spoke to a woman here in Florida who charges $1200..the price of a puppy..where do people come up with these unfair practices?
I kept my fees fair because I wanted to use my males and keep them fertile..personally I would not use a male who was only bred once a year..once a month is much better. You can see the quality they produce and decide whether to keep using them..health-wise also.

Many people are buying males at $1500/$3000..so does that mean the stud fee should be $3000? In MD I charged $350/$450 for my ch-sired male and $500 for my champions...if I finish a male now I would charge in the $650/750 range...and $450/$500 for a ch-sired male...seems fair to me...and people agree.

You are buying the services of the stud..not puppies..so you pay whether you get pups or not..and if none result, you get a return service. It is no different then a human going to a sperm bank..you buy the semen and hope for a positive result. Same with dogs.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by yorkiegold

Some people are breeding to make money and they'll breed to whatever's handy rather than paying a fair price to breed to a finished champion. It can cost $3,000 and up to finish a dog yourself and the sky's the limit if you hire a professional handler and campaign the dog nationally. The owner of a finished champion deserves every penny they get. Even though you may be able to get a champion sire with a 90% red pedigree (for what that's worth) for $650, I would rather pay more for the one that's producing champions, has years of careful health screening behind it, etc. Many serious breeders will ship their bitches half way across the continent to get the stud that's a perfect fit for their bitch regardless of what percent of the pedigree is red. I know Rottweiler champions that command $1,500 for a stud fee and no one blinks an eye.
CJ

Cj I dont understand you arguing a point that is a fact here. There are two local kennels I have use of their champion studs (proven and tested) and that have sired several champions!!!!! why would you assume these kennels are not testing their studs, paying the same amount for finishing their AKC and why are you dismissing the pedigree if you think the championship is so vital to a breeding program...you make no sense!

You state many serious breeders ship their bitches as do many serious breeder have flown in AI which is far less stress on the bitch and 90% effective in a breeding.

A champion is a champion is a champion if he is in the top 20 in the country then perhaps they can command the higher dollar but a AKC champion doesnt mean his sperm is gold!!

Finally why would you make a statement that some breeders breed to what ever is handy IT IS NOT a GUARANTEE a Champion sire will produce even one potential champion in a breeding. Ill bet more than a few AKC champions are a product of a non champion sire and dam breeding through out the country.

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by yorkiegold

Stud owner fixes the fee. Stud dog owner approves the bitches. If you want the stud, you pay what they ask, get the genetic/health testing they require and sign whatever they ask you to sign.

Some people are breeding to make money and they'll breed to whatever's handy rather than paying a fair price to breed to a finished champion. It can cost $3,000 and up to finish a dog yourself and the sky's the limit if you hire a professional handler and campaign the dog nationally. The owner of a finished champion deserves every penny they get. Even though you may be able to get a champion sire with a 90% red pedigree (for what that's worth) for $650, I would rather pay more for the one that's producing champions, has years of careful health screening behind it, etc. Many serious breeders will ship their bitches half way across the continent to get the stud that's a perfect fit for their bitch regardless of what percent of the pedigree is red. I know Rottweiler champions that command $1,500 for a stud fee and no one blinks an eye.

CJ

I am confused, you seem to be giving contradictory advice on this thread. First you said it is common to charge the price of a pup for a stud fee. In my area that would be $1,250. to $2,500. I have never heard of anyone charging a stud fee in that amount. Common practice is about $500. with the agreement that if a litter is not produced a return service is warranted. Then you are saying that a 90% red pedigreed Champion stud would be about $650. but you would pay more for a CH producer. Is $650. the going price for pups in your area?
Also, I am very concerned that the unproven stud inquired about was purchased for a far lesser amount than the usual high quality dog price in PA given her comment about the MASS amount of $1,000.
Unproven stud owners will generally not charge a fee for first breedings at all, unless the stud has been CH and the line/kennel well established.

[HisNameIsHarley]

Originally Posted by sylvan

I am confused, you seem to be giving contradictory advice on this thread. First you said it is common to charge the price of a pup for a stud fee. In my area that would be $1,250. to $2,500. I have never heard of anyone charging a stud fee in that amount. Common practice is about $500. with the agreement that if a litter is not produced a return service is warranted. Then you are saying that a 90% red pedigreed Champion stud would be about $650. but you would pay more for a CH producer. Is $650. the going price for pups in your area?
Also, I am very concerned that the unproven stud inquired about was purchased for a far lesser amount than the usual high quality dog price in PA given her comment about the MASS amount of $1,000.
Unproven stud owners will generally not charge a fee for first breedings at all, unless the stud has been CH and the line/kennel well established.

You're absolutely correct Sylvan. I only paid 600 for my Harley and they dropped the price a couple hundred dollars apparently bc his litter wasn't even supposed to have occurred! Their male (who is too lazy to jump onto the couch! ) jumped a 5 foot gate to "flirt" w/ their female. This was their 3rd litter and they had long since decided it was for the pleasure of the breeding and the money wasn't the issue for them so they made us a deal. The couple who are interested in breeding w/ my Harley are only trying to breed this once to try and produce puppies for their grandchildren. (the puppies will all be fixed) And they plan on fixing both their females once they (hopefully) have a litter one day.

[HisNameIsHarley]

I would NEVER even consider charging anywhere near 1000 dollars for a stud fee or even consider paying for one either. Like I said before to everyone their own but personally I find that to be outrageous. Champion or no champion I don't believe it should cost that much. I appriciate everyones help on here. It's obvious that I'm a newbie and want all the help I can get. I am excited that someone is interested in breeding w/ my baby but I have a lot of reserved and worried feelings about it too. I don't want him to totally change just bc I breed him and I'm afraid of his personality and behavior turning upside down. For every new post I get on this thread I'm getting pushed farther and farther into the direction of never breeding him. I feel like such a loser bc I don't even understand what everyone means by "red in the pedigree".. I guess I'm just not ready for such a commitment. I'm lost.

[txshopper73]

What Kimberly and Pat posted are similar and make sense. I didn't know the champion dog sperm was so reasonably priced. I assumed that for champion sperm, it would be in the thousands. With the stud that I'm planning on using, she charges pick of litter which is the going rate of $1000. Maybe it's just the part of the country I'm in, but males right now in Houston are going between $600-800 and females are $800-1200.