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Old 09-12-2009, 04:26 AM   #1
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Embarassed Did i get taken? Can any breeders help

Hi, i'm new to yorkie talk and this is my first post i hope i'm doing it correctly. I have a question and hopefully some breeders could help me out. I purchased my nina about 6 months ago when she was about 12 weeks old the person i bought her from told me her mother was 5 pounds and the dad about 3 to 4 pounds. He explain to me she shouldn't be bigger then 5 pounds. I started noticing she was getting bigger and bigger and didn't look like the size of most yorkies. I saw the mother but he told me he paid someone for the stud, so i never got to see the dad but only in pictures. My dog weights about 10 to 12 pounds. People tell me I got taken for my yorkie. is it normal for a dog to be bigger then the parents?

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It is not at all unusual for a puppy to get bigger than both of his/hers parents. I have been raising yorkies for over 12 years and I have seen this happen a number of times. Size is normally never guaranteed unless it is written into the contract. Do you remember how much your puppy weighed at 12 weeks? Does your girl have a stocky build? Regardless of her size I hope you love your girl just as she is.
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A good breeder can guess-timeate size but in most cases - the regular joe blow breeders will tell you what size your puppy will be (usually small) just to make a sale....I wouldn't worry about it if you love her. Size isn't everything in a pet....
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Hi, i'm new to yorkie talk and this is my first post i hope i'm doing it correctly. I have a question and hopefully some breeders could help me out. I purchased my nina about 6 months ago when she was about 12 weeks old the person i bought her from told me her mother was 5 pounds and the dad about 3 to 4 pounds. He explain to me she shouldn't be bigger then 5 pounds. I started noticing she was getting bigger and bigger and didn't look like the size of most yorkies. I saw the mother but he told me he paid someone for the stud, so i never got to see the dad but only in pictures. My dog weights about 10 to 12 pounds. People tell me I got taken for my yorkie. is it normal for a dog to be bigger then the parents?

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Who did you buy this puppy from? Did you get an opportunity to see the parents?
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Some breeders will lie to you and tell you the size a dog will be . One can never actually know the size. I look at my parents, and grandparents, use the growth chart and guess about what I think they will be. I always make sure the people understand that any thing can happen as far as size. I have a 4 lb stud and have always bred him to 5-6 lb bitches. He has thrown pups from 2-3/4 lbs up to 5lbs. he has only had two tho that got to 5lbs and actually alost 6lbs. There are so many things to factor in, it's hard to know what size they will be. Genetics is a funny thing. All my dogss are blue/gold that I breed but this same little stud has produced one pup that stayed dark, almost black. I scratch my head and wonder where did that come from?

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Some breeders will lie to you and tell you the size a dog will be . One can never actually know the size. I look at my parents, and grandparents, use the growth chart and guess about what I think they will be. I always make sure the people understand that any thing can happen as far as size. I have a 4 lb stud and have always bred him to 5-6 lb bitches. He has thrown pups from 2-3/4 lbs up to 5lbs. he has only had two tho that got to 5lbs and actually alost 6lbs. There are so many things to factor in, it's hard to know what size they will be. Genetics is a funny thing. All my dogss are blue/gold that I breed but this same little stud has produced one pup that stayed dark, almost black. I scratch my head and wonder where did that come from?
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these pictures are of the parents of my dog. the female is the first one which i met and the second of the dad which i didnt meet.
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Certainly, but.... As Sugar's Mom explained, genetics is a funny business. I try to explain by using a left handed child as an example... Lefthandedness skips generations and is generally found in the maternal side... As such, I had a left handed grandmother and now have a left handed son... Neither his father or my self is lefthanded or either of our parents.... Genetics, regardless of how far back, plays a role in each and every litter... So, it is quite possible the two dogs pictured did in fact produce a 12 lb dog....

That said, I'm sure you love your puppy, but loving something and being particularly happy with it is not the same.... It stinks to feel like you've been suckered... That is why it is so important for folks like you to bring up these kind of issues in the hopes future buyers will really focus on working with reputable breeders....

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Hi, i'm new to yorkie talk and this is my first post i hope i'm doing it correctly. I have a question and hopefully some breeders could help me out. I purchased my nina about 6 months ago when she was about 12 weeks old the person i bought her from told me her mother was 5 pounds and the dad about 3 to 4 pounds. He explain to me she shouldn't be bigger then 5 pounds. I started noticing she was getting bigger and bigger and didn't look like the size of most yorkies. I saw the mother but he told me he paid someone for the stud, so i never got to see the dad but only in pictures. My dog weights about 10 to 12 pounds. People tell me I got taken for my yorkie. is it normal for a dog to be bigger then the parents?

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I have a liter of almost 11 week old puppies. The momma was over 8 pounds and I think daddy was about 5 or 6 pounds.....In my liter I have 2 pups just over 3 lbs, 2 pups just over 4 lbs and then I have Sherman Tank who today is probably 7lbs +........
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As a very general rule I have found that you can triple the pups weight at 8 wks (to guess the pups adult weight) and double at 12 wks. Does not always hold true , but for me it's been fairly close.
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Works out to about 20 times their birth weight!
Just a "rule of thumb"... not a law!
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Do you have papers on your pup? My boy is big, but I got him more out of a rescue situation and his size didnt matter to me. My girl Bayleigh I bought from a great breeder in Atoka Oklahoma, All Star Yorkies.

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Hi, i'm new to yorkie talk and this is my first post i hope i'm doing it correctly. I have a question and hopefully some breeders could help me out. I purchased my nina about 6 months ago when she was about 12 weeks old the person i bought her from told me her mother was 5 pounds and the dad about 3 to 4 pounds. He explain to me she shouldn't be bigger then 5 pounds. I started noticing she was getting bigger and bigger and didn't look like the size of most yorkies. I saw the mother but he told me he paid someone for the stud, so i never got to see the dad but only in pictures. My dog weights about 10 to 12 pounds. People tell me I got taken for my yorkie. is it normal for a dog to be bigger then the parents?

thanks hopefully someone can help me with this question
Welcome to YT! You posted perfectly. Whether or not you got taken, I suppose depends on the terms of the sale. Is your girl an AKC registered pup? Did you get a guarantee? What did it have to say about size. As already mentioned, guarantees rarely will mention size unless to exclude it. There can occasionally be throw-backs to previous generations. In the pictures you posted, the father looks relatively small and you said you saw the mother so I would guess you could verify she looked around 5 pounds. What about grand-parents and great-grand-parents. You really need to look at the grandparents at least and also get an idea as to what other litters of the same mating has produced. That will give you a good idea but you can still be surprised. No guarantees. One way to increase your odds of having a Yorkie be within standard (less than 7 pounds) as an adult is to stick with reputable breeders. The reputable breeders have researched their dam and sire's history and know what to expect. They breed to standard, and will generally get standard. But again, this just increases the odds, it is still no guarantee. At times a genetic trait may show up from several generations past.

I would say if you bought pet quality, paid pet quality, and have a healthy pup that meets most of the yorkie standards, then you probably were not taken. If you paid top price, or were ensured your pup would be in standard, show or breeding quality, then you may have been taken. It is very difficult to ensure a certain size unless you buy an adult.

You will find many "teapot" (over 7 pounds) lovers on this site. Many even prefer them to be larger so as not to be quite as fragile with children, other pets, or just their environment. Hopefully, you have a healthy pup with a great personality -- those are the most important things for a pet!
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It's not impossible for a dog to be larger as an adult than either of the parents. The size of the parents alone only get you so far. You have to consider the size of the other dogs within the lines too. (Which is why the common "the stud must be smaller" line will only get you so far.) It's entirely possible that the dam and sire were actually from lines of much bigger dogs. Or it could be that you dealt with a shady breeder and were outright lied to.
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The dad looks really small like the mom. However they can still have puppies that grow larger than they are. Could be there are some large grandparents or even further back. When Yorkies were first bred, they were 20 & 25 pounds, so yes, they can inherit the larger size even with tiny parents.
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