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sabrinasmom · 09-08-2005, 01:50 PM

I can see both sides. I had a deposit on a puppy this summer, and I was supposed to pick her up on a Tuesday, and she got sick on friday before and the breeder was very good about calling me and telling me she wanted to hold on to her until it passed. I had seen pictures, she wasn't MINE yet, but when she passed away, I cried like a baby. Some part of me had already claimed that puppy. The breeder offered me my money back or one from the next litter, which is what I'm going to do, but I'm just saying, it is YOUR puppy, but you'd be surprised at how easy it is to be thinking about that little doll being your very own, and it just makes it difficult for both breeder and owner to be.

I told my little one's breeder that I'd wait until she was comfortable, because she was in an area with 24 hour vets etc., and I'm not so I didn't want to take the chance, but - it was sure tempting.

It sounds like they don't understand that you are trying to do what's best for them and the pup.

Gingis mom · 09-08-2005, 02:14 PM

I only wish they had considered what was best for the pup. As I was shampooing my carpet...(good time to think..lol) I got to thinking about the final conversation. The girl was upset telling me how everyone was waiting for the puppy to come this weekend. Well I do understand that but she did not seem concerned about the pups health. The fact that moving the pup to new surroundings at that point could have worsened things considerably. They never addressed to any real degree that they would accept waiting for me to be more comfortable with her health. They wanted me to rush her up to them so they could take her to their vet. Problem not solved that way. I truly was trying to work with them and the first email I sent I assumed that they would understand and be willing to wait. When I saw how important it was for them to have THAT puppy and in THEIR timing(which btw had changed numerous times) then I became concerned about the pups welfare. I believe they actually thought I wanted her for myself. At any rate everything is said and done. Thank goodness and thank you everyone for their support.

troubletb · 09-08-2005, 04:12 PM

After all is said and done. You did the right thing for your puppy.. I have taken deposits in the past and never had a problem. But I will rethink deposits next time..

One more thought. My vet said that even yorkie pups can go home by 8 weeks. I really do think this is an option, but it really depends on the puppy and the circumstances. One pup might be great to go home at 8 weeks, while another might not be able to go until 16 weeks.. I think, it all depends on the puppy.

Baron · 09-09-2005, 08:02 AM

Not to appear rude, but if your vet said it is ok for yorkie pups to leave at 8 weeks, he/she is not very knowledgeable about toy dogs. All toy dogs should stay with mom until they are at leat 12 weeks, and some even longer if they are very tiny. Most vets are not real knowledgeable about toy dogs, I know mine will have people call me for information on yorkies, because as is understandable, Vet's have to know a little bit about all dogs, but usually only know a lot about what ever breed they have owned.

troubletb · 09-09-2005, 11:55 AM

I don't think your being rude, just stating a point that you feel. If you saw my puppies you would realize that my biggest boy was more than capable to go to his new home at 8 weeks. He was very healthy, and very big. He weighed in at 3.75 in his 8th week. He was eating dry puppy food at 5 weeks, had his 1st puppy shots, deworming, and health certificate. He did go home to his new family at 9 weeks and his is adjusting very well. I keep in touch with his new family and he is fine. Now if I had a 2lb puppy I would keep him until I felt he was old enough and/or his was big enough.

This is what I go by, its not a law, just a feeling about my puppies

Latuya · 09-09-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gingis mom

I only wish they had considered what was best for the pup. As I was shampooing my carpet...(good time to think..lol) I got to thinking about the final conversation. The girl was upset telling me how everyone was waiting for the puppy to come this weekend. Well I do understand that but she did not seem concerned about the pups health. The fact that moving the pup to new surroundings at that point could have worsened things considerably. They never addressed to any real degree that they would accept waiting for me to be more comfortable with her health. They wanted me to rush her up to them so they could take her to their vet. Problem not solved that way. I truly was trying to work with them and the first email I sent I assumed that they would understand and be willing to wait. When I saw how important it was for them to have THAT puppy and in THEIR timing(which btw had changed numerous times) then I became concerned about the pups welfare. I believe they actually thought I wanted her for myself. At any rate everything is said and done. Thank goodness and thank you everyone for their support.

I can't help but feel sorry for you. You seem to be alot like me and worry about others a bit too much. That just makes you a very caring person. You did the right thing. They should have realized that you only had the puppies best interest at heart. If I were the lady I would probable be disapointed but would have totally understand. I wouldn't want to bring home a puppy that was sick. It just was not meant to be.

JCarlson2004 · 09-09-2005, 01:05 PM

I know this is all resolved but I just want to give my opinion. I think you made the right decision and I would not allow one of my puppies (if I were a breeder) to leave unless I was 100% happy with their health and confident in the buyer. I pesonally would not argue with a breeder over the dogs health. If a breeder wants to keep her puppy longer due to medical concerns, then I applaud that breeder! Only caring breeders do that. Breeders who are only concerned for $$$ will gladly sell a sick people without a second thought.

I was not allowed to take my Katie home until she was 5 months old because at 5 months she was only 14 ounces. Her breeder was concerned for her overall health. Some people have told me that 5 months is too extreme and that the breeder is paranoid. But ya know what, that breeder has been breeding for over 20 years and has FAR more experience then I do. So who am I to assume that I know better and try to push the issue? No way would I do that. I respected Katie's breeders decision and gladly complied. I was also secure in the knowledge that the breeder was doing all this for the well being of my little girl. So far, Katie has had absolutely no health problems and I'm thankful for that.

Anyway, I think you did the right thing for you and your pup. I really do applaud you!

Good luck with your little pup!

PS - I think Kim (SoCal) made a good point about the legal terminology in your contract. It's just something good to keep in mind.

YorkieRini · 09-09-2005, 05:47 PM

I had something similar to happen to me. The date came when the puppy was to go to his new home. My vet advised me he wasn't ready yet because he was still recovering from glycogen storage problem. I advised the owner to be and boy was I chewed out. I felt bad becuase i know how long they waited for this day. But like you I stuck to my guns, promised the pup when it was better, or another pup i had available. The buyer dedcided not to buy from me because of that. SOOO ..I take this is a learning experience. NEVER offer a puppy or take a deposit (which I didn't even have on on the puppy) until its' ready to walk out the door. The let down is too much for some to take.

Thanks for sharing your story. Just wanted you know that I too have had a similar experience. You did the right thing just as I did. Like anythig else, it wasn't meant to be.

Hugs,
Irene

Yorkie_Mama · 09-09-2005, 06:09 PM

good for you !!! you showed what i wish all breeder would show that your first and formost responibility lay with your puppie not the $$$$ most people have no clue how rude ppl can be when they come to your home to see your puppie ive had ppl try to grab puppie roll there eyes at me with my please put on hand sanitiser and walk on the towle that has a water bleach mix on it before entering my home ive had pple hand there 5 year old hyper active child my puppie and ofcorse DROP IT!! when i ask them not too with no hand cleanser and what about the pple who dont call and just show up.. EARLY i was quite young when i started breeding showing Toy aussies and has quite a few Husbands try to bully me oh well were good people let me take him today down talk to me like i have no clue what im talking about ive had men screem in my face when i stated the puppie they want is not correct for them .... thank goodness that the few and the far between

whispersmom2 · 09-10-2005, 11:57 AM

I am just reading this and I know it is resolved..thank goodness. I, like Stacy, NEVER take a deposit on any puppy. I keep a list of interested people BUT I explain to them that just because they are on my list does not mean they will be approved for a puppy from this litter. If they want to go elsewhere for a puppy, I offer to help them. Not one of my babies is shown til it is ready to go to a forever home..that is almost always 12 weeks..I can only think of one baby that was placed earlier and with full reg privileges and that person is a member of this forum.
Deposits to me are a nuisance. If someone does not want a baby, I do not want them to have it. And, it is just too much hassle to take a deposit and then return it or keep it as many persons do. I will take my babies back anytime but the first few days are so important with the new parent. I want my baby back if it is not the perfect fit for the new family. I will return the full amt of the sale during that time.
It just is more trouble than it is worth to me to take deposits or promise certain puppies to certain people. So, I just wait til I know the personality, size and dominance issues with my babies and then start the pla cement interviews. Simplifies things for me..

YorkieRose · 09-16-2005, 11:14 AM

I take deposits some times..with the understanding I can change my mind if I think there is a problem with the pup..or it needs a longer time with me. If I give them a choice of another pup, waiting or a refund, no one has had a problem with the 3 choices.

baili's mom · 09-16-2005, 11:53 AM

[I]I think it is awesome to see so many caring yorkie experts! As the
person waiting for a new baby I would have felt greatful that the puppie's
best interest was being thought of! I hope I can find someone as caring
in my area for our next little one! Kudo's!

Gingis mom · 09-16-2005, 03:33 PM

Thank you Pat and I agree completely. The unfortunate thing is that I gave them three choices... they tried to tell me how to take care of this situation knowning nothing about the pup or how it should act like I did. They wanted me to not only bring her to them so they could have their vet check her but to extend the guarantee. I was in no way willing to allow this pup to leave my home until I was more comfortable with her health... either she got better or worse and had symptoms a vet could diagnose. They apparently did not fully read the email and the woman asked for her money back. That was fine but the next morning the man wrote me a nasty letter and proceeded to verbally abuse me and try to intimidate me. Unfortunately he and I had previously come to an agreement before the wife got involved. This could have all been resolved easily IF they had fully read the email from me and responded with a decision to wait if they so chose.

Gingis mom · 09-16-2005, 03:34 PM

I guess with some people there is just no making them happy. They seemed to want their way and nothing else mattered.

shecass · 09-16-2005, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gingis mom

I guess with some people there is just no making them happy. They seemed to want their way and nothing else mattered.

I'm sorry for the problems that you had. You can't please everyone, you just have to do what you know in your heart is the right thing for you and everyone involved. No matter if all parties like it or not. You are the one that has to live with the consiquences(sp). I like everyone else think that you made the right decision for you and your baby.

09-08-2005, 01:50 PM	#16
sabrinasmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: texas Posts: 769	I can see both sides. I had a deposit on a puppy this summer, and I was supposed to pick her up on a Tuesday, and she got sick on friday before and the breeder was very good about calling me and telling me she wanted to hold on to her until it passed. I had seen pictures, she wasn't MINE yet, but when she passed away, I cried like a baby. Some part of me had already claimed that puppy. The breeder offered me my money back or one from the next litter, which is what I'm going to do, but I'm just saying, it is YOUR puppy, but you'd be surprised at how easy it is to be thinking about that little doll being your very own, and it just makes it difficult for both breeder and owner to be. I told my little one's breeder that I'd wait until she was comfortable, because she was in an area with 24 hour vets etc., and I'm not so I didn't want to take the chance, but - it was sure tempting. It sounds like they don't understand that you are trying to do what's best for them and the pup. __________________ Frankie (the MOM), Sabrina, and Elvira

09-08-2005, 04:12 PM	#18
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,339	After all is said and done. You did the right thing for your puppy.. I have taken deposits in the past and never had a problem. But I will rethink deposits next time.. One more thought. My vet said that even yorkie pups can go home by 8 weeks. I really do think this is an option, but it really depends on the puppy and the circumstances. One pup might be great to go home at 8 weeks, while another might not be able to go until 16 weeks.. I think, it all depends on the puppy. __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3

09-09-2005, 11:55 AM	#20
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,339	I don't think your being rude, just stating a point that you feel. If you saw my puppies you would realize that my biggest boy was more than capable to go to his new home at 8 weeks. He was very healthy, and very big. He weighed in at 3.75 in his 8th week. He was eating dry puppy food at 5 weeks, had his 1st puppy shots, deworming, and health certificate. He did go home to his new family at 9 weeks and his is adjusting very well. I keep in touch with his new family and he is fine. Now if I had a 2lb puppy I would keep him until I felt he was old enough and/or his was big enough. This is what I go by, its not a law, just a feeling about my puppies __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3

09-09-2005, 01:05 PM	#22
JCarlson2004 Mommy To 3 Poochies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 8,287	I know this is all resolved but I just want to give my opinion. I think you made the right decision and I would not allow one of my puppies (if I were a breeder) to leave unless I was 100% happy with their health and confident in the buyer. I pesonally would not argue with a breeder over the dogs health. If a breeder wants to keep her puppy longer due to medical concerns, then I applaud that breeder! Only caring breeders do that. Breeders who are only concerned for $$$ will gladly sell a sick people without a second thought. I was not allowed to take my Katie home until she was 5 months old because at 5 months she was only 14 ounces. Her breeder was concerned for her overall health. Some people have told me that 5 months is too extreme and that the breeder is paranoid. But ya know what, that breeder has been breeding for over 20 years and has FAR more experience then I do. So who am I to assume that I know better and try to push the issue? No way would I do that. I respected Katie's breeders decision and gladly complied. I was also secure in the knowledge that the breeder was doing all this for the well being of my little girl. So far, Katie has had absolutely no health problems and I'm thankful for that. Anyway, I think you did the right thing for you and your pup. I really do applaud you! Good luck with your little pup! PS - I think Kim (SoCal) made a good point about the legal terminology in your contract. It's just something good to keep in mind. __________________ Mommy Loves Codie, Tia & Baby Cali RIP My Precious Katie - I Love You Last edited by JCarlson2004; 09-09-2005 at 01:08 PM.

09-09-2005, 05:47 PM	#23
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	I can relate I had something similar to happen to me. The date came when the puppy was to go to his new home. My vet advised me he wasn't ready yet because he was still recovering from glycogen storage problem. I advised the owner to be and boy was I chewed out. I felt bad becuase i know how long they waited for this day. But like you I stuck to my guns, promised the pup when it was better, or another pup i had available. The buyer dedcided not to buy from me because of that. SOOO ..I take this is a learning experience. NEVER offer a puppy or take a deposit (which I didn't even have on on the puppy) until its' ready to walk out the door. The let down is too much for some to take. Thanks for sharing your story. Just wanted you know that I too have had a similar experience. You did the right thing just as I did. Like anythig else, it wasn't meant to be. Hugs, Irene

09-08-2005, 02:14 PM	#17
Gingis mom Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 75	I only wish they had considered what was best for the pup. As I was shampooing my carpet...(good time to think..lol) I got to thinking about the final conversation. The girl was upset telling me how everyone was waiting for the puppy to come this weekend. Well I do understand that but she did not seem concerned about the pups health. The fact that moving the pup to new surroundings at that point could have worsened things considerably. They never addressed to any real degree that they would accept waiting for me to be more comfortable with her health. They wanted me to rush her up to them so they could take her to their vet. Problem not solved that way. I truly was trying to work with them and the first email I sent I assumed that they would understand and be willing to wait. When I saw how important it was for them to have THAT puppy and in THEIR timing(which btw had changed numerous times) then I became concerned about the pups welfare. I believe they actually thought I wanted her for myself. At any rate everything is said and done. Thank goodness and thank you everyone for their support.

09-09-2005, 08:02 AM	#19
Baron Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 216	Not to appear rude, but if your vet said it is ok for yorkie pups to leave at 8 weeks, he/she is not very knowledgeable about toy dogs. All toy dogs should stay with mom until they are at leat 12 weeks, and some even longer if they are very tiny. Most vets are not real knowledgeable about toy dogs, I know mine will have people call me for information on yorkies, because as is understandable, Vet's have to know a little bit about all dogs, but usually only know a lot about what ever breed they have owned.

09-09-2005, 06:09 PM	#24
Yorkie_Mama YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chico,California Posts: 597	Bravo good for you !!! you showed what i wish all breeder would show that your first and formost responibility lay with your puppie not the $$$$ most people have no clue how rude ppl can be when they come to your home to see your puppie ive had ppl try to grab puppie roll there eyes at me with my please put on hand sanitiser and walk on the towle that has a water bleach mix on it before entering my home ive had pple hand there 5 year old hyper active child my puppie and ofcorse DROP IT!! when i ask them not too with no hand cleanser and what about the pple who dont call and just show up.. EARLY i was quite young when i started breeding showing Toy aussies and has quite a few Husbands try to bully me oh well were good people let me take him today down talk to me like i have no clue what im talking about ive had men screem in my face when i stated the puppie they want is not correct for them .... thank goodness that the few and the far between

09-10-2005, 11:57 AM	#25
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I am just reading this and I know it is resolved..thank goodness. I, like Stacy, NEVER take a deposit on any puppy. I keep a list of interested people BUT I explain to them that just because they are on my list does not mean they will be approved for a puppy from this litter. If they want to go elsewhere for a puppy, I offer to help them. Not one of my babies is shown til it is ready to go to a forever home..that is almost always 12 weeks..I can only think of one baby that was placed earlier and with full reg privileges and that person is a member of this forum. Deposits to me are a nuisance. If someone does not want a baby, I do not want them to have it. And, it is just too much hassle to take a deposit and then return it or keep it as many persons do. I will take my babies back anytime but the first few days are so important with the new parent. I want my baby back if it is not the perfect fit for the new family. I will return the full amt of the sale during that time. It just is more trouble than it is worth to me to take deposits or promise certain puppies to certain people. So, I just wait til I know the personality, size and dominance issues with my babies and then start the pla cement interviews. Simplifies things for me..

09-16-2005, 11:14 AM	#26
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	deposits I take deposits some times..with the understanding I can change my mind if I think there is a problem with the pup..or it needs a longer time with me. If I give them a choice of another pup, waiting or a refund, no one has had a problem with the 3 choices.

09-16-2005, 11:53 AM	#27
baili's mom Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando,FL Posts: 147	[I]I think it is awesome to see so many caring yorkie experts! As the person waiting for a new baby I would have felt greatful that the puppie's best interest was being thought of! I hope I can find someone as caring in my area for our next little one! Kudo's!

09-16-2005, 03:33 PM	#28
Gingis mom Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 75	Thank you Pat and I agree completely. The unfortunate thing is that I gave them three choices... they tried to tell me how to take care of this situation knowning nothing about the pup or how it should act like I did. They wanted me to not only bring her to them so they could have their vet check her but to extend the guarantee. I was in no way willing to allow this pup to leave my home until I was more comfortable with her health... either she got better or worse and had symptoms a vet could diagnose. They apparently did not fully read the email and the woman asked for her money back. That was fine but the next morning the man wrote me a nasty letter and proceeded to verbally abuse me and try to intimidate me. Unfortunately he and I had previously come to an agreement before the wife got involved. This could have all been resolved easily IF they had fully read the email from me and responded with a decision to wait if they so chose.

09-16-2005, 03:34 PM	#29
Gingis mom Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 75	I guess with some people there is just no making them happy. They seemed to want their way and nothing else mattered.