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jencar98 03-23-2009 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by larsensyorkies (Post 2537153)
actually she shipped the puppies TO her friend...but there is far too much arguing in this thread for me to continue reading any longer
Again she shipped them to a long time friend's Pet Store.


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Originally Posted by manolos mom (Post 2537165)
Im sticking my hand in fire right now but I'm just wondering if this is more of a "FEMALE" thing. We have a notorious breeder that lives about 40 miles from my home and has been Breeding for Years and Years and and EVERYONE knows him.How come no one attacks this Breeder like they do this lady. After all , he sells to the Stars..and he is a puppy mill that abuses Yorkies...Help me with this someone.....Lissette
LOL....a female thing? I think not - just search for YT threads on Jeff Dane. If we were discussing the breeder you referred to and I had knowledge or an opinion, I certainly would speak out......this thread is about Glenda and her ethics.

yorkiekist 03-23-2009 11:54 AM
Get real folks!
 
What is it about Glenda that you all seem to have a problem with? So what if she helped out her friend a total of about 4 times. Is that a death sentence? Has she done this recently? I think we have ALL done things in our past that is totally unethical in someones elses eyes. What is unethical to one person may not be to another person. Does that mean that we have to get our names and reputations dragged through the mud forever? And ALL of the facts have not been stated, but yet some of you feel the need to run with it. This issue has been hashed and re-hashed to the point of being redundant. And then compare her to Jeff Dane?? That was just waaaaaaaaay over the top.

ARCHIE 03-23-2009 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by manolos mom (Post 2537165)
Im sticking my hand in fire right now but I'm just wondering if this is more of a "FEMALE" thing. We have a notorious breeder that lives about 40 miles from my home and has been Breeding for Years and Years and and EVERYONE knows him.How come no one attacks this Breeder like they do this lady. After all , he sells to the Stars..and he is a puppy mill that abuses Yorkies...Help me with this someone.....Lissette


Most of us are not your neighbors' so we would not know who your
talking about! If you know he is a byb and his pups live in fifth why
are you not reporting him, may I ask?

Nancy1999 03-23-2009 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2537132)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
To me, Glenda Beavers is no better than Jeff Dane. Have any of you that have boughten from her been to her kennels? Have you seen how her dogs live?
I am totally shocked by this, and frankly confused. You seem to think it's perfectly acceptable for a breeder to sell their dogs over the Internet and through such places as puppy find. What is the difference between these places and a pet stores?

wildcard 03-23-2009 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2536871)
And Nancy, my goals in this thread are to try to help stop the puppy mill cycle which starts with those that sell to pet stores, and to let the truth be known about a breeder that has been highly recommended on this site and her lack of ethics as a breeder. It would be great if Glenda does change her practices as a result of this thread.
If people would quit buying dogs from pet stores, there would be no supply of dogs to pet stores. Stopping demand to halt supply is more effective than vice versa. It is just plain old economic theory. If people had never stopped buying 8 track tapes, RCA would still be making them... (not that dogs are equivalent to 8 track tapes but the analogy is valid).

manolos mom 03-23-2009 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2537171)
Again she shipped them to a long time friend's Pet Store.




LOL....a female thing? I think not - just search for YT threads on Jeff Dane. If we were discussing the breeder you referred to and I had knowledge or an opinion, I certainly would speak out......this thread is about Glenda and her ethics.
ExACTLY my point...Do you have FIRST hand knowledge and know this lady personally to be able to nail her to the cross like lots are doing...Is it because she is in the show world and may have some competition for dogs in the ring.Come on , have you bought a dog from her? You need to go on the rescue post and help the rescue groups take care and place these animals that Lots of Breeders send to their deaths because they cant breed anymore or they are too sick from overbreeding. We have lots of GREAT breeders on YT that I have not seen post in the thread...They handle things more professional...Just stating my opinion....Lissette

phfgkl 03-23-2009 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by manolos mom (Post 2537165)
Im sticking my hand in fire right now but I'm just wondering if this is more of a "FEMALE" thing. We have a notorious breeder that lives about 40 miles from my home and has been Breeding for Years and Years and and EVERYONE knows him.How come no one attacks this Breeder like they do this lady. After all , he sells to the Stars..and he is a puppy mill that abuses Yorkies...Help me with this someone.....Lissette
Lissette, that's Jeff Dane, he's a puppymill for sure and I'm asking how anyone knows this Glenda Beaver isn't? I asked if anyone has ever been to her kennels?

phfgkl 03-23-2009 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2537151)
I cant believe you wrote that! I dont believe Glenda place is even remotely comparable.
What? I asked a question? Have you ever been to her kennels? If not, then you wouldn't know anything for sure, would you?

yorkiekist 03-23-2009 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2537212)
What? I asked a question? Have you ever been to her kennels? If not, then you wouldn't know anything for sure, would you?
I havent, but my mentor has!

phfgkl 03-23-2009 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2537190)
I am totally shocked by this, and frankly confused. You seem to think it's perfectly acceptable for a breeder to sell their dogs over the Internet and through such places as puppy find. What is the difference between these places and a pet stores?
I asked a question. And no one seems to be able to answer it. All I said was has anyone ever been to her kennel? If you don't advertise somewhere, how are you supposed to let anyone know you have pups?:confused:
Pet stores, get their puppies from puppymills, that is a known fact. There are plenty of people on puppyfind that are NOT puppymills.

phfgkl 03-23-2009 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2537214)
I havent, but my mentor has!
So, why were you so upset that all I did was ask a question?:confused: I said how do you know she's not a puppymill? Since when did asking a question make me a terrible person? I didn't come out and say she's a puppymill, I said has anyone ever been to her kennel.

yorkiekist 03-23-2009 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2537218)
So, why were you so upset that all I did was ask a question?:confused: I said how do you know she's not a puppymill? Since when did asking a question make me a terrible person? I didn't come out and say she's a puppymill, I said has anyone ever been to her kennel
You didnt ask a question. You said that Glenda is no different than Jeff.

jencar98 03-23-2009 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by manolos mom (Post 2537205)
ExACTLY my point...Do you have FIRST hand knowledge and know this lady personally to be able to nail her to the cross like lots are doing

Yes, I do know her and have first hand knowledge....and I'm not nailing her to any cross - by HER actions, she has brought this upon herself.

...Is it because she is in the show world and may have some competition for dogs in the ring.

It has nothing to do with the "show world" and competition - it has to do with ethics.

Come on , have you bought a dog from her?

No, I haven't and wouldn't because I'm aware of her and her ethics.

You need to go on the rescue post and help the rescue groups take care and place these animals that Lots of Breeders send to their deaths because they cant breed anymore or they are too sick from overbreeding.

You don't know me and what I have done in the past couple of years for rescue dogs, helping rescues and supporting them with donations, etc. - but I can assure you I've done much more than many. I have fostered at least 6 dogs within the past 8 months.

 We have lots of GREAT breeders on YT that I have not seen post in the thread...They handle things more professional...Just stating my opinion....Lissette
I can't speak for the "Great breeders" on YT that haven't posted on this thread, but do have my suspicions as to why they are not posting, and for some, it's not for the reason you stated.

phfgkl 03-23-2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2537221)
You didnt ask a question. You said that Glenda is no different than Jeff.
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My question was has anyone ever been to her place? And, as far as prices, and having a lot of breeding dogs, no, she's no better than Jeff Dane. The only thing they do differently, is I don't think he ships dogs to pet stores. Sorry, I just have no use for anyone that loves yorkies and could help a friend ship pups(and them only being 8 weeks), if she had done it one time, yeah, then it was a mistake and could have been forgiven, but, to do it more than once, well, NO, there is NO excuse for that, it's very wrong!

Nancy1999 03-23-2009 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2537216)
I asked a question. And no one seems to be able to answer it. All I said was has anyone ever been to her kennel? If you don't advertise somewhere, how are you supposed to let anyone know you have pups?:confused:
Pet stores, get their puppies from puppymills, that is a known fact. There are plenty of people on puppyfind that are NOT puppymills.
There use to be smaller pet stores, and I believe at one time, these pet stores did buy from local small breeders. As pet stores became national, they also contracted out to larger commercial breeders. I'm not against commercial breeders as long as the kennel conditions are good/great, they are breeding to standard, and they do health screening. I'm against people buying any dog without going to the kennels. I am also against breeders selling a dog without thoroughly investigating buyers.

How do you know which people on puppyfind are not puppy mills? How do you know they are not a brokers for puppy mills? There just seems to be a huge double standard.


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