Need To Know If Too Soon?????

[phfgkl]

Depending on how the female does after the first delivery, she can either breed right in a row then skip a heat cycle, or can breed, skip then breed, whichever way she wants to do it. There are some people that actually have been told by their vets to breed everytime, which, I don't beleive in. They do that, they'll be just like the octomom. If the bitch goes in to heat every 6 mos, then she will most likely be in heat around May, as you count 6 mos from last time in heat, not 6 mos from when pups were born

[lishag44]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Depending on how the female does after the first delivery, she can either breed right in a row then skip a heat cycle, or can breed, skip then breed, whichever way she wants to do it. There are some people that actually have been told by their vets to breed everytime, which, I don't beleive in. They do that, they'll be just like the octomom. If the bitch goes in to heat every 6 mos, then she will most likely be in heat around May, as you count 6 mos from last time in heat, not 6 mos from when pups were born

That's was very insightful information....

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by lishag44

Yes, she wants her to have more....

Shouldn't you have posted this in the breeder forum? Not to be rude but there are 10,000,000 dogs PTS every year in shelters and your friend want to make more puppies? I just don't get it?

[MindieRose]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Shouldn't you have posted this in the breeder forum? Not to be rude but there are 10,000,000 dogs PTS every year in shelters and your friend want to make more puppies? I just don't get it?

There are thousands of children in the foster care system in the US alone, not to mention millions of orphans worldwide, but I don't tell people they can't have children. If she is indeed responsible about placing them and has the proper contracts in place, then I don't see a problem with it.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by lishag44

Hello everyone!

I have a question: my friend's yorkie gave birth to four puppies on Jan 8, 2009. She wanted to know how soon can she get pregnant again OR how long should she wait before she allows her dog to become pregnant again? Here's the scenario: Her male dog got her female dog pregnant (thus, giving birth to four puppies on 1/8/09). Shortly thereafter, her male dog got out and ran away (dead-beat dad...LOL). Ok, here' the thing--- the male dog came back home two days ago,after six months of being gone, and she thinks that he wants "a piece of her" again. Please, someone let me know what she should do......THANKS!!!!!

Originally Posted by MindieRose

There are thousands of children in the foster care system in the US alone, not to mention millions of orphans worldwide, but I don't tell people they can't have children. If she is indeed responsible about placing them and has the proper contracts in place, then I don't see a problem with it.

First off, humans are able to alter their own reproductive systems and have the ability to make decisions on procreation~animals are not. They will reproduce as part of nature and THAT is why there are millions of dogs PTS every year. Believe me there are plenty of humans that should not be allowed to breed either. As for being responsible, THE OPer said the male ran away for 6 months. He is an unaltered male that roamed who knows where for 6 months possibly making even more puppies. IMO how is that responsible? This woman should not be breeding AT ALL! IMO both of the dogs should be spayed and neutered.

[lishag44]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Shouldn't you have posted this in the breeder forum? Not to be rude but there are 10,000,000 dogs PTS every year in shelters and your friend want to make more puppies? I just don't get it?

Look, I am ONLY asking a question; and yes, maybe I should have posted it in the "Breeders Forum" had I seen it! Let me say this--I'm not on here to tell people what the should and should not post or where they should post--I am on here to get information and to possibly give information and gain possible friendships with other yorkie moms (or dads).

So, with that being said, let me ask you this: If the dog that gave birth to your baby had not given birth, what what you have right now? If my friend what to breed her freakn dog, then she has that right and it has NOTHING to do with the $10,000 dogs in shelters. What are you saying, that she is going to have her dog give birth and then place them in a shelter? I don't know you, but yes, you are confused!

First, your statement: "...there are 10,000,000 dogs PTS every year in shelters and your friend want to make more puppies?" is out of line. So, please, if this is the type of negative communication you would like to have, please DO NOT reply to any of my future inquiries and/or posts. I DON'T ALLOW NEGATIVITY IN MY LIFE---STRESS IS NOT FOR ME!!! You should try it, your day will go much better!!!!

[Mardelin]

There is different thoughts on when to breed you females. Females are born with just so many eggs and some breeders will breed their girls every Season. Some will breed two Seasons in row, skip one and breed two in a row again, then spay. Others will skip every other Season.

My preferance is every other Season and only when she's had a complete physical exam and the Vet deams it ok to breed. After all, how would you like having a baby every 9 months. The whelping process takes alot out of the girls. We can't see what their reproduction organs are like after having puppies. Uterus stretches out, losing elasticity, hindering contractions. There could be tears in the horns because it becomes thin, causing what is known as floaters, which can result in dead pups. Mothers going down with infections, in this case if you don't know your female well enough, you could lose her.

Each female is different. I have females that come into Season every 7 months and others that only come in every 10 months. My vet and I determine when the time is right.

[lishag44]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

There is different thoughts on when to breed you females. Females are born with just so many eggs and some breeders will breed their girls every Season. Some will breed two Seasons in row, skip one and breed two in a row again, then spay. Others will skip every other Season.

My preferance is every other Season and only when she's had a complete physical exam and the Vet deams it ok to breed. After all, how would you like having a baby every 9 months. The whelping process takes alot out of the girls. We can't see what their reproduction organs are like after having puppies. Uterus stretches out, losing elasticity, hindering contractions. There could be tears in the horns because it becomes thin, causing what is known as floaters, which can result in dead pups. Mothers going down with infections, in this case if you don't know your female well enough, you could lose her.

Each female is different. I have females that come into Season every 7 months and others that only come in every 10 months. My vet and I determine when the time is right.

OH, thank you very much for that information. I will definitely let her know this....

[TinyBit]

Originally Posted by lishag44

Hello everyone!

I have a question: my friend's yorkie gave birth to four puppies on Jan 8, 2009. She wanted to know how soon can she get pregnant again OR how long should she wait before she allows her dog to become pregnant again? Here's the scenario: Her male dog got her female dog pregnant (thus, giving birth to four puppies on 1/8/09). Shortly thereafter, her male dog got out and ran away (dead-beat dad...LOL). Ok, here' the thing--- the male dog came back home two days ago,after six months of being gone, and she thinks that he wants "a piece of her" again. Please, someone let me know what she should do......THANKS!!!!!

Frankly, the timeline is off...if this male was gone 6 months, these are NOT his pups. The female is pg for 58-63 days before delievery. and these born on Jan. 8 ar Appox. 8 weeks old. DO THE MATH that's only around 4 months any way you do add it up.
So she first needs to be a little more responible about knowing when and where her dogs are being bringing more into the world.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by LuvtheCooper

it seems to me if the dad ran away and has been gone for 6 months, no telling where he has been or been doing. I would think he would need to be tested for diseases and such before another breeding were to take place.
Please tell your friend spaying and neutering her pets would be the greatest kindness she could do for them.

[Bianca]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Shouldn't you have posted this in the breeder forum? Not to be rude but there are 10,000,000 dogs PTS every year in shelters and your friend want to make more puppies? I just don't get it?

I totally agree.
Tell you friend to get both dogs fixed and to stop breeding without any knowledge of the background and genetic testing be done
Good lord, will it ever end

[lishag44]

Originally Posted by TinyBit

Frankly, the timeline is off...if this male was gone 6 months, these are NOT his pups. The female is pg for 58-63 days before delievery. and these born on Jan. 8 ar Appox. 8 weeks old. DO THE MATH that's only around 4 months any way you do add it up.
So she first needs to be a little more responible about knowing when and where her dogs are being bringing more into the world.

First, let me apologize for saying that her dog was gone six month (my mistake, not my friend's). He was gone for almost three months. Second, as I have said before in a previous post, I am not on here to be negative in anyway-but, I think that you are jumping the gun about my friend being responsible. With that being said, I didn 't ask your advise on whether my friend is responsible or not. But for the record, she's VERY responsible. So responsible that when the pups were born, she took a leave of absence from work to be with them 24/7 to make sure everything was going ok. Now, tell me if you STILL think that she is not responsible.

[Mardelin]

Tell your friend that the health of her female and male are first and foremost. Make sure both have had physical exams, been bile acid tested (not that this will tell you if they are Shunt Carriers or not, but it will tell you if either dog has it). Make sure that hips and knees are x-rayed. And both have had cultures done on them to make sure there is no preexisting infection going on.....In other words cover all her basis, for the sake of the dam, stud and puppies. I don't know where your friend lives, but in California we have Lemon Laws. If you are irresponsible, you can be sued.

I don't believe in telling what people to do, well other than responsible breeding. In my opinion, telling people not to breed infringes on their rights. It's what Animal Rights Activists do, and if they had their way, we'd all be without our precious pets. But, that's another subject and I don't want to get off on that soap box.

So, that said, just tell her to be responsible. We hold the lives of our dogs in our hands, so I believe in being a good steward of their care.

[lishag44]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Tell your friend that the health of her female and male are first and foremost. Make sure both have had physical exams, been bile acid tested (not that this will tell you if they are Shunt Carriers or not, but it will tell you if either dog has it). Make sure that hips and knees are x-rayed. And both have had cultures done on them to make sure there is no preexisting infection going on.....In other words cover all her basis, for the sake of the dam, stud and puppies. I don't know where your friend lives, but in California we have Lemon Laws. If you are irresponsible, you can be sued.

I don't believe in telling what people to do, well other than responsible breeding. In my opinion, telling people not to breed infringes on their rights. It's what Animal Rights Activists do, and if they had their way, we'd all be without our precious pets. But, that's another subject and I don't want to get off on that soap box.

So, that said, just tell her to be responsible. We hold the lives of our dogs in our hands, so I believe in being a good steward of their care.

M- Thank you very, very, much. In fact, I am on the line with her now tell her exactly what you said. Thank you M, and can I add you to my friends list?

[BamaFan121s]

First of all, there are a lot of people taking the time out of their days to give you good advice that you asked for. Why the hostility? Sometimes, the advice and suggestions given are not always the answers we *want* to hear. You posted info for people to comment on...unfortunately, you cannot control the types of responses you get. When you post a question about a topic so many feel strongly about, then you can only expect a wide variety of answers.

I don't know your "friend" from a hill of beans, but I can deduct this from the information YOU have provided. It seems like she needs to do a lot more research before she can be considered a responsible breeder all around.
For starters, if she doesn't even know basic info about when a dog can concieve a litter or anything about resting the female, then she obviously has not educated herself thoroughly on the breeding process.
If she has not considered that her male was MIA for months, possibly spreading his seed with other females and putting him at risk for contracting STDs and is considering letting him breed to her female again, then she obviously has not educated herself thoroughly on the breeding process.

Bottom line, the fact that she would even have to question these very basic elements of breeding indicate that she is not adequately prepared, yet she is breeding anyway. That would indicate that she is not as responsible as she *could/should* be.

There are MANY aspects of breeding that determine if a breeder is 'responsible.'