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MgM · 03-12-2005, 06:59 PM

If i take it to the vet as soon as it arrives, do you know if he/she would be able to tell if the dog had such problems?

YorkieRose · 03-12-2005, 07:11 PM

The vet can tell you nothing about the bloodline..they can tell you if the pup you bring in has a liver shunt, but none of the genetic problems in the bloodline.. You must find a reputable breeder who has a healthy line and get them to sell to you..that is not easy to do...a catch 22 sometimes..best wishes

lovefor3yorkies · 03-12-2005, 08:56 PM

Yorkie Rose knows the deal! Rose you must be a veteran to this breeding stuff.... =)

MgM · 03-12-2005, 08:59 PM

now i got to come up with some more questions, you guys are too quick

YorkieRose · 03-13-2005, 04:19 AM

I am a veteran of 32 years and still in uniform! LOL Seriously, I have many breeder friends I can ask questions to...another member here..Whispersmom2 knows so much about health issues..I pick her brain all the time..I think she would tell you she has little left at this point as a result! LOL

lovefor3yorkies · 03-13-2005, 10:51 AM

See here's the difference--you're and you know loads. I am a newbie who has done lots and lots of research and asking people who know. I HAVE done my research. No experience yet. Just pure knowledge. I agree with your veiws of the need for a few good hobby breeders. If and when I decide I'm ready I may but I just don't feel I'm ready yet. I don't want to lose my baby. I would rather have her. She is priceless. IMO people that ARE willing to breed before they know a pretty good bit about the whole process, really don't care and just see $$. I DON'T agree with that and at this point, I can almost spot those type with my eyes closed. LOL. YORKIEROSE-I haven't found anything you've posted that I don't agree with yet. So you can always know I've got your back (like you need it)....Just know you have it. =)

YorkieRose · 03-13-2005, 01:20 PM

Thanks..this is such a nice forum. Members are polite and sensitive to others opinions. There are forums with nothing but name calling and mean postings..better to forget it and go somewhere else..and YorkieTalk is a friendly forum I find.

luvdorkyyorkies · 03-13-2005, 01:29 PM

Your a peach......PAT!

Maybe one day I would be lucky enough to buy one of your nice little boys......but I wont hold my breath!

yorkiegirl2 · 04-29-2005, 07:15 PM

I feel I was a victim of a bad breeder. I bought from Delmac Kennel ( www.delmacyorkies.com ) owned by Deborah McCabe in Southeast Missouri. The add in the dollar stretcher stated Small Quality Healthy Yorkie puppies. The women seem so nice. And she talked a good game. And she seem to care about the dogs. I ask all the right question, I thought. She told me the dog I choose came from a very, very good quality line. I asked her if there were any problem with the parents of the puppy. She assured me there were no problems at all. I trust people to much sometimes and I believed what she said. Well, that was my mistake, I trusting her. Her guarantee was for 2 days. Papers signed money was paid. She then gave me the a five generation pedigree showing the puppy’s parents were half brother- half sister. I questioned her about this and again she assured me breeders do this all the time and that there were no problems at all in the lineage.
Two month after I had the dog he started having severe seizures and my vet thinks there is a very strong chance it’s because she breed a half brother-half sister together. I called her, to tell her what happened. she was not quite so nice this time. She was not concerned about the puppy at all. Her response was “well I don’t know what to tell you” I was so upset I couldn‘t talking to her anymore. My husband called a several times she would not answer the phone. He left a message on her answering machine and told her we wanted our money back she had sold us a sick puppy…you guessed it, she would not return our calls. I spend the most terrifying 4 day at the vets office thinking this puppy was going to die. The Vet bill is around 500.00 and climbing. This small quality healthy yorkie is now 1,300.00 plus and disabled. He will need testing and medicine the rest of his life because of a irresponible breeder. I hate to see people like her take advantage of someone else. This woman is still using these dogs as breeders…I would like to know if anyone else has had dealing with this woman.

cooki · 05-10-2005, 03:07 PM

YorkieRose you never did elaborate on the board about the 'english method' of tail docking. What does it envolve and how is it less painful than any other.

YorkieRose · 05-10-2005, 03:24 PM

The reason I think it is less painful is because no stitching needed. I found when the vet or I cut them off, they cried for a couples seconds, then quieted down..then the stitching began and that made them SCREAM bloody murder..sometimes long after they were returned to mom..on the way hoime in the car they still whimmered. They even cried when mom cleaned the butts, she no doubt touched the stitches.
Using a clamp and putting it where you want the tail to come off makes them cry, then very quickly they quiet down, twisting the already deaden end piece does not bother them and I get no more crying, clamp is removed in a couple seconds and no need for a stitch..back to mom..infact I let them nurse on mom while I do it most times...they fuss and go back to sleep.

cooki · 05-10-2005, 05:26 PM

That sounds less painful for both of you.

How old are they when you dock thier tails? How long do you leave the tails clamped before you twist? This really sounds like a much better alternitive. Sorry for the mass of questions and thanks for the explantation aswell!

Arlene · 05-10-2005, 06:51 PM

As a breeder I think that more than the size of the parents you need to look at both the geno type and pheno type of the male & female. Here is what I have found over the years: .
1. Line breeding you should produce smaller puppies.
2. Out crossing will produce larger puppies.
3. Consider breed type when choosing the pair
4. Over all quality is a must
5. Height and length are just as important as weight. You want a nice square compact yorkie.
6. Always take the pedigree into consideration! Putting two dogs together without knowing the genetics behind them and health issues could be a disaster.
7. Just when you think you have it figured out...try again :-)

dianesyorkies · 05-11-2005, 06:22 PM

HI,
I have read about all I can find, and a few books still stand out and get referred to often:
"The joy of Breeding your own Show Dog” by Ann Seranne.
It was not my first book, and I regret it. I have found it to be a pretty good staple to start on. While not as in-depth as some, or as super-simplistic as others it cleared up several things. It gives a good idea on breeding programs, stock, medical issues, some problems faced and how to cope at times.

"Genetics, An Introduction for Dog Breeders" by Jackie Isabell is another I liked. The more we got into this area, the more I wanted to know and WOW this one cleared up some misconceived ideas I got from talking to others.

I found a GREAT vet close by, and he worked with us ALOT ..I think a good vet you trust is a key part of feeling confident about you and your dogs.

Well, I am new here too, and don’t feel too comfortable piping up to offer advise, but I know all the missteps we took and hope this might help you a little.

YorkieRose · 05-12-2005, 04:03 AM

I dock between 3 and 5 days...
You put the clamp on and then begin to twist..do not nremove the clamp BEFORE taking the tail off. After the tail is off, leave the clamp another minute or two.

Welcome Dianesyorkies...

03-12-2005, 07:11 PM	#32
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	newbie The vet can tell you nothing about the bloodline..they can tell you if the pup you bring in has a liver shunt, but none of the genetic problems in the bloodline.. You must find a reputable breeder who has a healthy line and get them to sell to you..that is not easy to do...a catch 22 sometimes..best wishes Last edited by YorkieRose; 03-13-2005 at 04:14 AM.

03-13-2005, 04:19 AM	#35
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Lol I am a veteran of 32 years and still in uniform! LOL Seriously, I have many breeder friends I can ask questions to...another member here..Whispersmom2 knows so much about health issues..I pick her brain all the time..I think she would tell you she has little left at this point as a result! LOL

03-13-2005, 01:20 PM	#37
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	forum Thanks..this is such a nice forum. Members are polite and sensitive to others opinions. There are forums with nothing but name calling and mean postings..better to forget it and go somewhere else..and YorkieTalk is a friendly forum I find.

04-29-2005, 07:15 PM	#39
yorkiegirl2 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,394	buyer beware in southeast missouri I feel I was a victim of a bad breeder. I bought from Delmac Kennel ( www.delmacyorkies.com ) owned by Deborah McCabe in Southeast Missouri. The add in the dollar stretcher stated Small Quality Healthy Yorkie puppies. The women seem so nice. And she talked a good game. And she seem to care about the dogs. I ask all the right question, I thought. She told me the dog I choose came from a very, very good quality line. I asked her if there were any problem with the parents of the puppy. She assured me there were no problems at all. I trust people to much sometimes and I believed what she said. Well, that was my mistake, I trusting her. Her guarantee was for 2 days. Papers signed money was paid. She then gave me the a five generation pedigree showing the puppy’s parents were half brother- half sister. I questioned her about this and again she assured me breeders do this all the time and that there were no problems at all in the lineage. Two month after I had the dog he started having severe seizures and my vet thinks there is a very strong chance it’s because she breed a half brother-half sister together. I called her, to tell her what happened. she was not quite so nice this time. She was not concerned about the puppy at all. Her response was “well I don’t know what to tell you” I was so upset I couldn‘t talking to her anymore. My husband called a several times she would not answer the phone. He left a message on her answering machine and told her we wanted our money back she had sold us a sick puppy…you guessed it, she would not return our calls. I spend the most terrifying 4 day at the vets office thinking this puppy was going to die. The Vet bill is around 500.00 and climbing. This small quality healthy yorkie is now 1,300.00 plus and disabled. He will need testing and medicine the rest of his life because of a irresponible breeder. I hate to see people like her take advantage of someone else. This woman is still using these dogs as breeders…I would like to know if anyone else has had dealing with this woman. Last edited by yorkiegirl2; 05-05-2005 at 07:22 AM.

05-10-2005, 03:07 PM	#40
cooki Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kinnikinnick Posts: 67	english method... YorkieRose you never did elaborate on the board about the 'english method' of tail docking. What does it envolve and how is it less painful than any other. __________________ *cooki proud mommy of Bella

03-12-2005, 06:59 PM	#31
MgM Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 16	If i take it to the vet as soon as it arrives, do you know if he/she would be able to tell if the dog had such problems?

03-12-2005, 08:56 PM	#33
lovefor3yorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Graniteville, SC Posts: 206	Yorkie Rose knows the deal! Rose you must be a veteran to this breeding stuff.... =)

03-12-2005, 08:59 PM	#34
MgM Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 16	now i got to come up with some more questions, you guys are too quick

03-13-2005, 10:51 AM	#36
lovefor3yorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Graniteville, SC Posts: 206	See here's the difference--you're and you know loads. I am a newbie who has done lots and lots of research and asking people who know. I HAVE done my research. No experience yet. Just pure knowledge. I agree with your veiws of the need for a few good hobby breeders. If and when I decide I'm ready I may but I just don't feel I'm ready yet. I don't want to lose my baby. I would rather have her. She is priceless. IMO people that ARE willing to breed before they know a pretty good bit about the whole process, really don't care and just see $$. I DON'T agree with that and at this point, I can almost spot those type with my eyes closed. LOL. YORKIEROSE-I haven't found anything you've posted that I don't agree with yet. So you can always know I've got your back (like you need it)....Just know you have it. =)

03-13-2005, 01:29 PM	#38
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	Your a peach......PAT! Maybe one day I would be lucky enough to buy one of your nice little boys......but I wont hold my breath!

05-10-2005, 03:24 PM	#41
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	tails The reason I think it is less painful is because no stitching needed. I found when the vet or I cut them off, they cried for a couples seconds, then quieted down..then the stitching began and that made them SCREAM bloody murder..sometimes long after they were returned to mom..on the way hoime in the car they still whimmered. They even cried when mom cleaned the butts, she no doubt touched the stitches. Using a clamp and putting it where you want the tail to come off makes them cry, then very quickly they quiet down, twisting the already deaden end piece does not bother them and I get no more crying, clamp is removed in a couple seconds and no need for a stitch..back to mom..infact I let them nurse on mom while I do it most times...they fuss and go back to sleep.

05-10-2005, 05:26 PM	#42
cooki Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kinnikinnick Posts: 67	... That sounds less painful for both of you. How old are they when you dock thier tails? How long do you leave the tails clamped before you twist? This really sounds like a much better alternitive. Sorry for the mass of questions and thanks for the explantation aswell! __________________ *cooki proud mommy of Bella

05-10-2005, 06:51 PM	#43
Arlene YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 2	As a breeder I think that more than the size of the parents you need to look at both the geno type and pheno type of the male & female. Here is what I have found over the years: . 1. Line breeding you should produce smaller puppies. 2. Out crossing will produce larger puppies. 3. Consider breed type when choosing the pair 4. Over all quality is a must 5. Height and length are just as important as weight. You want a nice square compact yorkie. 6. Always take the pedigree into consideration! Putting two dogs together without knowing the genetics behind them and health issues could be a disaster. 7. Just when you think you have it figured out...try again :-)

05-11-2005, 06:22 PM	#44
dianesyorkies Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hephzibah, GA Posts: 14	My 2-cents. HI, I have read about all I can find, and a few books still stand out and get referred to often: "The joy of Breeding your own Show Dog” by Ann Seranne. It was not my first book, and I regret it. I have found it to be a pretty good staple to start on. While not as in-depth as some, or as super-simplistic as others it cleared up several things. It gives a good idea on breeding programs, stock, medical issues, some problems faced and how to cope at times. "Genetics, An Introduction for Dog Breeders" by Jackie Isabell is another I liked. The more we got into this area, the more I wanted to know and WOW this one cleared up some misconceived ideas I got from talking to others. I found a GREAT vet close by, and he worked with us ALOT ..I think a good vet you trust is a key part of feeling confident about you and your dogs. Well, I am new here too, and don’t feel too comfortable piping up to offer advise, but I know all the missteps we took and hope this might help you a little. Last edited by dianesyorkies; 05-11-2005 at 06:30 PM.

05-12-2005, 04:03 AM	#45
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	tails I dock between 3 and 5 days... You put the clamp on and then begin to twist..do not nremove the clamp BEFORE taking the tail off. After the tail is off, leave the clamp another minute or two. Welcome Dianesyorkies...