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lycansmom · 08-28-2005, 06:10 AM

I know i may get a lot of opinions on this one but i have a question. Do breeders usually sell puppies to "brokers" if so why and if not why not....I have some friends looking to buy a puppy and i am just trying to gather some info. Thanks in advance

troubletb · 08-28-2005, 06:11 AM

I don't and won't, I want to have the final say as to where my puppies end up!

lycansmom · 08-28-2005, 06:52 AM

thanks

feminvstr · 08-28-2005, 07:28 AM

Angie, I would never consider a broker!

A breeder if reputable IMHO takes the responsiblity in each breeding from the moment they buy their breeding bitch and dog through the placement of their offspring. I couldnt breed in good conscience without serious interaction with the potential parents.

A breeder/broker relationship is based first and foremost on profit, get em in gem em out attitude and breeding program. Second, the breeder more often than not is weaning their pups very young. Third, allow placement at 6 weeks old with little to none vet care, vaccination, socialization.

txshopper73 · 08-28-2005, 07:39 AM

Personally, no, I would not use a broker. I want to know where my babies are going. I want to keep in touch with the new owners. When I had bought a dog, the lady tried to encourage me to use a broker. She didn't have to mess with this or mess with that. Whatever. I wouldn't do it.

lycansmom · 08-28-2005, 07:47 AM

Thank you all for your opinions its helping us help them make a very informed decision.

YorkieRose · 08-28-2005, 09:28 AM

No, I do not...and anyone interested in future Yorkie club membership should not..you will not be permitted to join if you do so or have done so.

whispersmom2 · 08-28-2005, 10:58 AM

[SIZE=3]I am still having trouble reading small print so I didn't read all the replies. BUT, I would NEVER sell to or buy from a broker. I know some people do and say they got a healthy, well-socialized baby. But, why would anyone put money in the pocket of such horrible people even for a healthy pup? Just wait and find a responsible, caring breeder..JMHO

SoCalyorkiLvr · 08-28-2005, 02:46 PM

Breeders who advertise for other breeder friends on their website are "brokers" too so it is important to understand the definition, but I found my Ava through a breeder who didn't have a litter but was friends with someone who had a litter and they work together. I think this form of "brokerage" is not a problem imo because the breeder never lets go of control of where the puppy goes.

I have worked with other brokers as well who I find care greatly about "their" dogs and are in it for the best interest of the puppies foremost and hopefully a profit, but not at the expense of the puppy. They know the importance of their reputation and the health of the puppies and are well versed and exerienced in the needs of the puppies and the health concerns, won't let them go until they are big enough and not earlier than 12 weeks for sure so I don't know why there is a prejudice against "brokers" as a category. I, of course,am not in favor of big puppymill brokers like the Hunte Corportation but I think there are smaller brokers who are very reputable.

Hefner's broker/breeder was a breeder turned broker because she, like most of us, realize it takes a certain personality to be a breeder and she didn't have it but she still wanted to work with puppies.

She has saved many a puppy who were written off by the vets and even breeders in her over 30 years in the business and I have the utmost respect for her. Just to clarify she was the broker for her grandmother who was deaf.

Good luck!

feminvstr · 08-28-2005, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Breeders who advertise for other breeder friends on their website are "brokers" too !

Kim ....the above is not true!

I post friends pups on my web page only when I do not have pups...with MY FRIENDS contact information, the potential buyer does NOT contact me for details "friends selling pups" simply shows the pics, availibility and sometimes pricing and contact information I have nothing to do with the placement AT ALL!! that is not a broker... A broker is when someone profits from a sell!!! plain and SIMPLE!

wnalegria · 08-28-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr

Kim ....the above is not true!

I post friends pups on my web page only when I do not have pups...with MY FRIENDS contact information, the potential buyer does NOT contact me for details "friends selling pups" simply shows the pics, availibility and sometimes pricing and contact information I have nothing to do with the placement AT ALL!! that is not a broker... A broker is when someone profits from a sell!!! plain and SIMPLE!

I post puppies on my website that belong to my good friends with my contact information on my expected litters. If some one asks about a puppy that is not mine I inform them that the baby belongs to my friens and let the two work directly with each other. I do not profit from the contaact. A broker is someone who profits from the sell and they profit big time financially.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 08-28-2005, 07:02 PM

There is absolutely nothing "dirty" or bad in the busniess world about the term "broker" and it is true that the third party should be compensated in some way, but technically, the "payment" or compensation can be simply a reciprocal agreement where each breeder agrees to help with the other's litter and vice versa.

I was not trying to be negative but simply to point out that the term "broker" fits a wide range of business relationships and is not always bad. There is a percieved "bad" connotation in the puppy business because of the big brokers who buy from puppymills mostly I think, but there are also plenty of situations where it is just one breeder helping another out and having a reciprocity going .

It is quite common among mentors and their mentees for example. A mentee will have a litter and sometimes the babies are the product of the mentor's lines since she sold the mentee her breeding stock, and the mentor becomes the broker when she helps sell the mentees littler, and she knows the lines very well because they are her lines but she does not own them so she is a broker not the actual breeder.

sylvan · 08-28-2005, 07:37 PM

This is a semantics game again I see.
I breed and I refer. I do not and will not condone brokering of dogs in any way. Brokering of dogs leaves a gap in the communication between breeder and owner. Breeders should bear the responsibility for the placement of the dogs they produce...AND be available for continuing support and exchange of information throughout the life of the dog. I am currently mentoring someone who is looking to begin breeding. When she has pups I will REFER people to her and she will deal with them on her own, with, of course, my guidance and support if she needs it. I will not be compensated nor have I ever been compensated for Referring anyone to another breeder. Referring and Brokering are NOT the same thing and should not be confused.

Snow Yorkies · 08-28-2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sylvan

This is a semantics game again I see.
I breed and I refer. I do not and will not condone brokering of dogs in any way. Brokering of dogs leaves a gap in the communication between breeder and owner. Breeders should bear the responsibility for the placement of the dogs they produce...AND be available for continuing support and exchange of information throughout the life of the dog. I am currently mentoring someone who is looking to begin breeding. When she has pups I will REFER people to her and she will deal with them on her own, with, of course, my guidance and support if she needs it. I will not be compensated nor have I ever been compensated for Referring anyone to another breeder. Referring and Brokering are NOT the same thing and should not be confused.

Very well put, I totally agree. Thank you. I two help my closest friends I currently have on my nursery page of two puppies that are for sale, it also states that if you would like their contact information that I will turn that over to them if interested. I don't get involved other than phone numbers and their websites. I AM NO BROKER because of this. And guess what I don't get a dime nor do I want a dime, this is based on friendship and helping one another, so therefore why would we want a financial reward WHAT HAPPEN TO FRIENDSHIP that means you help one another without compensation.....And why would I expect compensation???? I also would never sell to a pet store, not will you find me at a flea market....

SoCalyorkiLvr · 08-28-2005, 09:02 PM

IMO I don't see anything wrong with a referral fee or a brokerabe fee if a third party puts a buyer and a seller together.

08-28-2005, 06:10 AM	#1
lycansmom Luna_Bug's Chew Toy Donating YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tulsa Posts: 1,199	Just a question I know i may get a lot of opinions on this one but i have a question. Do breeders usually sell puppies to "brokers" if so why and if not why not....I have some friends looking to buy a puppy and i am just trying to gather some info. Thanks in advance __________________ "some people without brains do an awful lot of talking dont they?"

08-28-2005, 06:11 AM	#2
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,339	I don't and won't, I want to have the final say as to where my puppies end up! __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3

08-28-2005, 06:52 AM	#3
lycansmom Luna_Bug's Chew Toy Donating YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tulsa Posts: 1,199	thanks __________________ "some people without brains do an awful lot of talking dont they?"

08-28-2005, 07:28 AM	#4
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	Angie, I would never consider a broker! A breeder if reputable IMHO takes the responsiblity in each breeding from the moment they buy their breeding bitch and dog through the placement of their offspring. I couldnt breed in good conscience without serious interaction with the potential parents. A breeder/broker relationship is based first and foremost on profit, get em in gem em out attitude and breeding program. Second, the breeder more often than not is weaning their pups very young. Third, allow placement at 6 weeks old with little to none vet care, vaccination, socialization. __________________ Kimberly

08-28-2005, 07:39 AM	#5
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	Personally, no, I would not use a broker. I want to know where my babies are going. I want to keep in touch with the new owners. When I had bought a dog, the lady tried to encourage me to use a broker. She didn't have to mess with this or mess with that. Whatever. I wouldn't do it. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

08-28-2005, 07:47 AM	#6
lycansmom Luna_Bug's Chew Toy Donating YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tulsa Posts: 1,199	Thank you all for your opinions its helping us help them make a very informed decision. __________________ "some people without brains do an awful lot of talking dont they?"

08-28-2005, 09:28 AM	#7
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	broker No, I do not...and anyone interested in future Yorkie club membership should not..you will not be permitted to join if you do so or have done so.

08-28-2005, 10:58 AM	#8
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	[SIZE=3]I am still having trouble reading small print so I didn't read all the replies. BUT, I would NEVER sell to or buy from a broker. I know some people do and say they got a healthy, well-socialized baby. But, why would anyone put money in the pocket of such horrible people even for a healthy pup? Just wait and find a responsible, caring breeder..JMHO

08-28-2005, 02:46 PM	#9
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	Breeders who advertise for other breeder friends on their website are "brokers" too so it is important to understand the definition, but I found my Ava through a breeder who didn't have a litter but was friends with someone who had a litter and they work together. I think this form of "brokerage" is not a problem imo because the breeder never lets go of control of where the puppy goes. I have worked with other brokers as well who I find care greatly about "their" dogs and are in it for the best interest of the puppies foremost and hopefully a profit, but not at the expense of the puppy. They know the importance of their reputation and the health of the puppies and are well versed and exerienced in the needs of the puppies and the health concerns, won't let them go until they are big enough and not earlier than 12 weeks for sure so I don't know why there is a prejudice against "brokers" as a category. I, of course,am not in favor of big puppymill brokers like the Hunte Corportation but I think there are smaller brokers who are very reputable. Hefner's broker/breeder was a breeder turned broker because she, like most of us, realize it takes a certain personality to be a breeder and she didn't have it but she still wanted to work with puppies. She has saved many a puppy who were written off by the vets and even breeders in her over 30 years in the business and I have the utmost respect for her. Just to clarify she was the broker for her grandmother who was deaf. Good luck! Last edited by SoCalyorkiLvr; 08-28-2005 at 02:49 PM.

08-28-2005, 07:02 PM	#12
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	There is absolutely nothing "dirty" or bad in the busniess world about the term "broker" and it is true that the third party should be compensated in some way, but technically, the "payment" or compensation can be simply a reciprocal agreement where each breeder agrees to help with the other's litter and vice versa. I was not trying to be negative but simply to point out that the term "broker" fits a wide range of business relationships and is not always bad. There is a percieved "bad" connotation in the puppy business because of the big brokers who buy from puppymills mostly I think, but there are also plenty of situations where it is just one breeder helping another out and having a reciprocity going . It is quite common among mentors and their mentees for example. A mentee will have a litter and sometimes the babies are the product of the mentor's lines since she sold the mentee her breeding stock, and the mentor becomes the broker when she helps sell the mentees littler, and she knows the lines very well because they are her lines but she does not own them so she is a broker not the actual breeder.

08-28-2005, 07:37 PM	#13
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	This is a semantics game again I see. I breed and I refer. I do not and will not condone brokering of dogs in any way. Brokering of dogs leaves a gap in the communication between breeder and owner. Breeders should bear the responsibility for the placement of the dogs they produce...AND be available for continuing support and exchange of information throughout the life of the dog. I am currently mentoring someone who is looking to begin breeding. When she has pups I will REFER people to her and she will deal with them on her own, with, of course, my guidance and support if she needs it. I will not be compensated nor have I ever been compensated for Referring anyone to another breeder. Referring and Brokering are NOT the same thing and should not be confused.

08-28-2005, 09:02 PM	#15
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	IMO I don't see anything wrong with a referral fee or a brokerabe fee if a third party puts a buyer and a seller together.