Is this common from a SHOW BREEDER???

[143julz]

Dudley's weight went up to 4lbs!!!!! He gained .5lbs since Nov. HA!! It's one of those little accomplishments.
YEAH BABY!!!!!!
I hope to see at least 6, but breeder said that might be pushing it for him, I hope not but I'll take it....the bigger the better for me!!!

[BamaFan121s]

At 4.5 months, his adult teeth likely had not all come in. That is a little early to have retained teeth pulled as they truly *may* come out on their own. Most people have it done when the dog is neutered, but most people also wait a little longer to neuter so that it can be done. Unfortunately, many breeders are having to result to having dogs s/n before leaving their home because there are so many dishonest people out there who will breed the dog anyway. (Not you, just generally speaking.)
Maybe she should have explained things to you more thoroughly, maybe you should have researched it more yourself, maybe the vet should have told you earlier. Hard to say who is in the "wrong" here. It sounds like it was just a miscommunication on all sides.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by 143julz

Picked him up last night and Dr. told me Dudley started having loose stools. So he was concerned and gave him Barium (sp), sent me on my way w/ ramidayl "anti flammatory" and Torbutol "pain med" and Clavamox "antiobotic".
He said only to give pain med last night and wait on everything else until his stools were firm.....(PS-i only gave 1/2 of what Dr. rec)
This morning stools were mostly firm, so i gave all but antiob....it said "w/food" he didn't eat much this morning, a few kibbles. .....(PS-i only gave 1/2 of "pain med"again what Dr. rec)I gave him some Nutri-Cal also.
He's w/ me at work today so i can watch him.
He's been acting weird...running along furniture, walls, whatever like rubbing himself, rubbing his face in his blankets, (i'm sure b/c mouth is tender" is this norm?
He did get chipped y-day too, so i wonder if the rubbing is related to the chip injection area?

I onder if he needs the other part of the pain meds??? I only gave 1/2 b/c i was afraid"my experience w/ Julz & her histroy worries me for Dudley too" ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THIS???
Luckily for me there is a vet office next door if i need one.
Thanks for all of your support and advise. THIS SITE DOES ROCK!!!

I've read about them rubbing their faces before, I'm not sure if this is due to the discomfort or not. When a doctor prescribes a certain dosage, I don't think it's wise you adjust the dosage, just because another dog had problems. The dosage is set for their particular weight, and if you give half the recommended amount, it might not offer much pain relief. I would follow the vet's instructions. It's great your vet is so close!

[YoRkiE Te aMo]

i would check this out ..there are also alot of threads here from rimadyl on the YT site ...


The Senior Dogs Project

[143julz]

Originally Posted by YoRkiE Te aMo

i would check this out ..there are also alot of threads here from rimadyl on the YT site ...


The Senior Dogs Project

OMG!!! I hope we see improvement so he deosn't have to be on these med's too long. I need to start his antiobotic when we get home, as of now he hasn't had loose stools and not really eating much, I've been giving him Nutri-Cal a few time throughout the day....Thanks All

[msjagg]

As with us when the Vet prescribes a certain dose, Please give what is recommended. The symptoms you're describing could be many things including pain...He has had alot of dental work done. The vet gave him meds, Please give them to him. I know you're scared because of what happened to your other dog. But, Don't let this one go around in pain. Please call your vet before changing or stopping the dosages he put him on. You don't want him to hurt more!! Good-Luck to you both,

[wildcard]

I would not worry too much about the adult canines not coming into place as your vet seems to have said might be a problem. I used to be totally paranoid about retained baby teeth throwing off their bite, but now I general wait until my kiddos are 8-9 mos old (on at least 2 of my papillons and one yorkie). Usually by then the baby incisors I thought would never fall out have fallen out (LOL) and after the baby canines are removed what are usually about 3/4 erupted adult canines have always moved into place where they need to be.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by wildcard

I would not worry too much about the adult canines not coming into place as your vet seems to have said might be a problem. I used to be totally paranoid about retained baby teeth throwing off their bite, but now I general wait until my kiddos are 8-9 mos old (on at least 2 of my papillons and one yorkie). Usually by then the baby incisors I thought would never fall out have fallen out (LOL) and after the baby canines are removed what are usually about 3/4 erupted adult canines have always moved into place where they need to be.

I agree. I waited 8 months with Brooklyn this time. For the first time I had a pup that didn't have to have 1 tooth pulled. I think sometimes we jump the gun. Her bite stayed perfect through the whole thing.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I can see what the breeder was trying to do here....but man...I wouldn't want my puppy to be put under twice before it was a year old.

I got Marcel from a show breeder and she held his registrations papers until he was neutered - which I was just fine with.

I suppose even that isn't enough to deter some folks from breeding, but it's one way.

i agree with wylie's mom. i don't think it's good to put the dog under TWICE just because they are worried that people might breed the dogs. if they don't trust the people to neuter/spay the animal, then they shouldn't sell the puppy to those buyers.

perhaps they can charge extra. like some sort of deposit and it will be refunded once the puppy is neutered/spayed.

should definitely come up with a solution that doesn't put the puppy's health/life at risk like this!

[143julz]

Oh i so love your idea of the extra deposit and waiting to have everything done at once....I told the breeder i was willing to sign whatever "legally" so she felt comfortable. But i guess it's hard to make a decision on TRUST when there are usually phone calls and one ot two visits exchanged before turning teh pup over. We have a good open line of communication now so on my next one,maybe it will be differently. I wish i could get the next one at 12 wks instead of 4.5mo...HEHEHEHE

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by 143julz

Oh i so love your idea of the extra deposit and waiting to have everything done at once....I told the breeder i was willing to sign whatever "legally" so she felt comfortable. But i guess it's hard to make a decision on TRUST when there are usually phone calls and one ot two visits exchanged before turning teh pup over. We have a good open line of communication now so on my next one,maybe it will be differently. I wish i could get the next one at 12 wks instead of 4.5mo...HEHEHEHE

yea, i really like my idea as well!

they have got to come up with a solution that DOES NOT jeopardize the puppy's health! and i am sure there is a way to do that!

i got milu when she was 20 weeks old, it was a really nice age for me because she slept through the night and potty training was easy for me because she is a little older. she was still a tiny baby though when i got her. she was smaller than my smallest bunny when i first got her. now she is bigger than that bunny

[143julz]

WOW, i don't know if i could wait 20 wks....i was thinking i waited too long at 4.5 mo Although, the potty training is easier, he was perfect from day 1 in the crate, sleeping ALL night does have benefits. OH AND GROOMING IS A BREEZE!!!!!
He seems to be timid when reaching down for him, to pick up or even pet, i thought maybe that could be from being "handled" for the business Not sure but he has made some improvements SLOWLY in that department.
TODAY he doing fine, I gave him pain med's y-day and he showed signs of being back to normal. vet said usually next day, so i didn't give anymore today, this afternoon he was fine when hubby checked on him. I did give the rymidal (sp) anitiflammatory. med's.

[Diego]

Several vets don't do both surgeries at the same time .

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by 143julz

WOW, i don't know if i could wait 20 wks....i was thinking i waited too long at 4.5 mo Although, the potty training is easier, he was perfect from day 1 in the crate, sleeping ALL night does have benefits. OH AND GROOMING IS A BREEZE!!!!!
He seems to be timid when reaching down for him, to pick up or even pet, i thought maybe that could be from being "handled" for the business Not sure but he has made some improvements SLOWLY in that department.
TODAY he doing fine, I gave him pain med's y-day and he showed signs of being back to normal. vet said usually next day, so i didn't give anymore today, this afternoon he was fine when hubby checked on him. I did give the rymidal (sp) anitiflammatory. med's.

lol, isn't 20 weeks approximately the same as 4.5 months!?

milu was my first dog, so i was already thinking that she was a lot of work. i could not imagine what it would be like if she also would not let me sleep through the night!

i guess it depends on your preference. but for milu it worked out really well to get her at that age. she is the friendliest doggie i have EVER met. the trainer said "she does not have a mean bone in her body" (because the trainer was trying to teach her to growl, and kept poking milu in the face and nose trying to get milu mad, but milu just showed her belly and said "you are supposed to be petting me, and you are doing it wrong!" lol)

glad your baby is doing well!

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Diego

Several vets don't do both surgeries at the same time .

why not?