Parti confussion?????

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Tanjay

Hiya, from Great Britain, got to be honest, I have not heard of Parti till I read this thread, but them again, I had not heard the term 'tea pot yorkie' before. I have just had a quick look on the kennel club web site and I dont see the word 'parti' anywhere, hope this helps

Thank you! I had never heard of them in Britain either, but wasnt sure.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

The "big deal" is that if you keep trying to change the parent breed standard, the breed will no longer look like the breed anymore. Reputable breeders breed to the breed standard and not to the latest popular fault being purposely breed most likely for the $$$$. The parti/off color breeders are doing just this all the while spouting their version of the history of the breed and basically telling you that the parent club(YTCA) is full of sh*t. Lets say that drop ears are now the big popular rage. You will then get irresponsible breeders breeding for that fault as well. Popularity=$$$. Simple economics.I guess you have to be a breed fancier to completely understand it. I am not saying you arent and I hope I explained this ok.

Parent breed standards have been changed repeatedly over the lifetime of registered dogs. Adding the parti color does not change a thing about the traditional colored yorkshire terrier. The colors are part of the original makeup of the modern yorkshire terrier, and that fact has not changed. It has only recently been brought out in the open.

The number one leading authority, in the US, on the yorkshire terrier has admitted to the AKC that they were getting parti colored in their puppies 40 years ago. But no one wanted to admit that their Champion dog produced off colored puppies. To do so would have ruined their reputation. So those puppies were never registered, they were given away or destroyed, and kept secret.

[Myslaydee]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Parent breed standards have been changed repeatedly over the lifetime of registered dogs. Adding the parti color does not change a thing about the traditional colored yorkshire terrier. The colors are part of the original makeup of the modern yorkshire terrier, and that fact has not changed. It has only recently been brought out in the open.

The number one leading authority, in the US, on the yorkshire terrier has admitted to the AKC that they were getting parti colored in their puppies 40 years ago. But no one wanted to admit that their Champion dog produced off colored puppies. To do so would have ruined their reputation. So those puppies were never registered, they were given away or destroyed, and kept secret.

Well ive read over the post repeatedly and it seem that your only trying to defend this because u obviously have one i started this because i had never heard of the parti before until i read some one selling one! But its not worth the negative remarks. They are pretty, i just wondered if it messed up the standards of the yorkie. My opinion now i feel it does but it is MY OPINION. My questions have been answered thanks everyone!!

[Myslaydee]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

The "big deal" is that if you keep trying to change the parent breed standard, the breed will no longer look like the breed anymore. Reputable breeders breed to the breed standard and not to the latest popular fault being purposely breed most likely for the $$$$. The parti/off color breeders are doing just this all the while spouting their version of the history of the breed and basically telling you that the parent club(YTCA) is full of sh*t. Lets say that drop ears are now the big popular rage. You will then get irresponsible breeders breeding for that fault as well. Popularity=$$$. Simple economics.I guess you have to be a breed fancier to completely understand it. I am not saying you arent and I hope I explained this ok.

Thanks alot!!!

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Back in the dark ages when Pomp was around, almost no breeder put a spay/neuter agreement on their dogs. That how alot of these dogs ended up in indecscriminate breeders hands. In fact alot of the dogs being shown today go back to Pomp, some even go back multiple times. I even had dogs with muliple crosses to Pomp. Funny how none of the exhibitor breeders dont have parti's, even back in Pomps day. And dont tell me its a "dirty little secret" and its always "swept under the rug". Thats a bunch of BS and hersay.

I dont suppose, since you are the parti guru, you can tell me about any breeders in Britain that are purposely raising partis. There should be tons of parti breeders there since that is where the Yorkie originated. Are they exhibitor breeders of the byb type breeder.( I am not referring to Biewers in Germany)

Sometimes I get the feeling that you parti breeders are just a little miffed that YTCA will not allow different colors to be included in the standard. I think that your agenda is to eventually challenge the YTCA to change the standard so that you can also show your dogs. I am sure that the white german sheppard owners feel the same way.

So is it a fact that almost "no breeder put a spay/neuter agreement on their dogs" in the 60's and 70's or is this your opinion? If it's a fact, when did breeders start requiring spay/neuter agreements or when did they begin selling pups on limited registrations?

Is it a fact that "none of the exhibitor breeders dont have parti's, even back in Pomps day," or is it your opinion? I think we've shown you at least two very reputable show breeders who have had parti's. As for "BS and here say", maybe if you contact AKC and speak with someone who was directly involved in the parti investigation - so you get the facts from the horses mouth and not just someone's "opinion" - maybe they could shed some light on which other Old time breeders were interviewed and which breeders said they had off colors appearing in their litters?

I don't consider myself a "parti guru." I consider myself as someone with an open mind; someone who has a basic understanding of how recessive genes work and someone who will do their research when something I'm told to believe, just doesn't jive.

I don't think that the UK allows off colored yorkies to be registered so, no, I don't know of anyone - they are still in the closet.

Personally, I'm not "miffed" but disappointed that there appears to be a double standard on off coloring in the breed and I'm disappointed that the information on their website is inaccurate and misleading.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Back in the dark ages when Pomp was around, almost no breeder put a spay/neuter agreement on their dogs. That how alot of these dogs ended up in indecscriminate breeders hands. In fact alot of the dogs being shown today go back to Pomp, some even go back multiple times. I even had dogs with muliple crosses to Pomp. Funny how none of the exhibitor breeders dont have parti's, even back in Pomps day. And dont tell me its a "dirty little secret" and its always "swept under the rug". Thats a bunch of BS and hersay.
I dont suppose, since you are the parti guru, you can tell me about any breeders in Britain that are purposely raising partis. There should be tons of parti breeders there since that is where the Yorkie originated. Are they exhibitor breeders of the byb type breeder.( I am not referring to Biewers in Germany)

Sometimes I get the feeling that you parti breeders are just a little miffed that YTCA will not allow different colors to be included in the standard. I think that your agenda is to eventually challenge the YTCA to change the standard so that you can also show your dogs. I am sure that the white german sheppard owners feel the same way.

And of course you have proof of that statment.

Also I believe the parti colored yorkies in Europe are called Biewers. Unless of course you believe that the entire story about the Biewer couple is a lie.

I personally am not miffed about anything. I could not care less whether or not the YTCA accepts the color or not. Their rules mean nothing to me. I would not join an organization that is so closed minded that they refuse to believe the facts that have come right from the horses mouths.

Times have changed. The show community is no longer this tightly knit little group of people. Many breeders that used to be controlled by the YTCA, got tired of it and have thumbed their noses at their rules and have brought their beautiful colorful yorkies out of the closet. They saw the beauty in the dog and did not feel it was right to deny this color a chance to show itself.

My partis came from a former show breeder. They are direct descendents of Champions. Dogs that judges found to be the best examples of the breed accordng to the standards set down by the YTCA. Did I mention Champions?

Perhaps the YTCA is the one that is miffed. Miffed at those who dared to openly admit that these Campion dogs were parti gene carriers.

[Koran]

At the risk of keeping this going are Biewers considered parti yorkies? Personally my goal was a healthy PET. Both my dogs hail from the same Mommy but Sparkle's dad was a german imported Biewer Yorkie. Her owner was german and had direct contact with someone close to the line that started it. Fact, who knows, but my concern was that I LOVE LOVE LOVE the standard colors and I really didnt want white in my pups coat. My first dog has PERFECT hair, teeth and coloring. I have had nothing but problems with Sparkle's skin and hair. The vet explained that this is common with the Biewer line but can be found in standard yorkies as well so he can't conclude that is the reason. But since Roscoe has none of the same problems it is a good guess. But a guess none the less.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Koran

At the risk of keeping this going are Biewers considered parti yorkies? Personally my goal was a healthy PET. Both my dogs hail from the same Mommy but Sparkle's dad was a german imported Biewer Yorkie. Her owner was german and had direct contact with someone close to the line that started it. Fact, who knows, but my concern was that I LOVE LOVE LOVE the standard colors and I really didnt want white in my pups coat. My first dog has PERFECT hair, teeth and coloring. I have had nothing but problems with Sparkle's skin and hair. The vet explained that this is common with the Biewer line but can be found in standard yorkies as well so he can't conclude that is the reason. But since Roscoe has none of the same problems it is a good guess. But a guess none the less.

Out of curiosity, where did your vet get this information?

[my2boyz]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Out of curiosity, where did your vet get this information?

I'm a little curious too since none of my Biewers have any skin or coat issues but the Yorkies I've had...well...we won't even go there!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Koran

At the risk of keeping this going are Biewers considered parti yorkies? Personally my goal was a healthy PET. Both my dogs hail from the same Mommy but Sparkle's dad was a german imported Biewer Yorkie. Her owner was german and had direct contact with someone close to the line that started it. Fact, who knows, but my concern was that I LOVE LOVE LOVE the standard colors and I really didnt want white in my pups coat. My first dog has PERFECT hair, teeth and coloring. I have had nothing but problems with Sparkle's skin and hair. The vet explained that this is common with the Biewer line but can be found in standard yorkies as well so he can't conclude that is the reason. But since Roscoe has none of the same problems it is a good guess. But a guess none the less.

The Parti and the Biewer both came from two traditional colored yorkshire terriers. There is a difference in the gene that causes the white. The Biewer line causes a predictable pattern, the parti line does not. Sue knows more about that, she is the genetics expert.

I have not heard of any dry skin issues in the parti line.. It is not an issue with mine.

[Missiemiss]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

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[Koran]

I didnt ask him, but after the condition started (when she was 1) I asked the breeder who had the Mommy and she told me the same thing. Her dog was standard, the stud was a friend of hers that had the dog imported. I spoke with the owner of the stud and she said that her dog developed a skin condition that is common with the Biewer. She did not have any more litters with this dog. I didnt ask for credentials but wish I knew her line that she got this one from had those issues.

[Koran]

Also, if you read my post, it wasnt written as a factual statement he told me it was a guess but when you hear that from the vet and the stud's owner it sounds more common. But I also know that standard 2 color yorkies have skin conditions too. Just like humans, everyone is different. I only wish both my pups had the same daddy. He was from a champion line and was the most GORGEOUS stud EVER! Unfortunately, he has since passed away.

[hugz4all4]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

The "big deal" is that if you keep trying to change the parent breed standard, the breed will no longer look like the breed anymore. Reputable breeders breed to the breed standard and not to the latest popular fault being purposely breed most likely for the $$$$. The parti/off color breeders are doing just this all the while spouting their version of the history of the breed and basically telling you that the parent club(YTCA) is full of sh*t. Lets say that drop ears are now the big popular rage. You will then get irresponsible breeders breeding for that fault as well. Popularity=$$$. Simple economics.I guess you have to be a breed fancier to completely understand it. I am not saying you arent and I hope I explained this ok.

you explained it very well, thank you.
Im not on anyones side. I enjoy reading these post cause I am learning from them. It will be interesting to see how this topic continues to play out in the years to come.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Missiemiss

Making more:

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