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JeanieK 01-31-2009 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2447759)
Yeah, it would make me sooooooooooooooo happy that all of the cute little parti/biewers couldnt hear. That wasnt very nice.:thumbdown:mad:
I'm sure if it gets to that point we will change our breeding practices. I believe that is why many breeders say to keep breeding the carriers back into the program.

I don't wish ill will on any ones breeding program or their dogs. That would be a very sad thing. Like the bulldogs and other short nosed dogs that have breatjhing issues. That is very sad.

JeanieK 01-31-2009 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2447798)
While the Biewer has breed clubs, the Parti has none, so who would be gathering the data if there was a connection?
We have a club and we share our information. he Biewer has been around longer than the partis. There are more Biewer breeders. No one has reported a problem with the Biewers. And they have been breeding Biewer to Biewer for a long time, although some do still use splitters.

When I first joined YT I heard all of these same things being said about the Biewer breedeers.

Woogie Man 01-31-2009 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2447783)
Not all dogs who are white or parti colored, have hearing problems. There are many breeds with those colors who don't have higher than normal deafness rates in their breed. Deafness is often seen in breeds when there is increased amounts of white colour in the coat and blue eyes . We have not seen problems with the Parti's and they've been breeding now for over 10 years (not that that is a long period of time but you'd suspect we'd be seeing some problems during that length of time?)
In my reading one of the exceptions mentioned is the Samoyed. I also found some reference to the white German Shepherd not being truly white but rather is considered a very light buff color (looks white to me, tho). In general, what I've read seems to indicate that it's the white hair, along with a loss of skin pigmentation, that is an indicator of potential problems. I also read there is a group of Dachshund breeders trying to establish their own standard that would include piebalds but they aren't getting any support from the breed club due to the health concerns. It does seem like, across the board, piebald dogs are not recommended to breed due to the risks. From my understanding, deafness doesn't show up until later in the life of the pups but the health concerns aren't limited to deafness.

Nancy1999 01-31-2009 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2447820)
We have a club and we share our information. he Biewer has been around longer than the partis. There are more Biewer breeders. No one has reported a problem with the Biewers. And they have been breeding Biewer to Biewer for a long time, although some do still use splitters.

When I first joined YT I heard all of these same things being said about the Biewer breedeers.
Would you mind telling us how many members are in your club, and how many dogs have been produced, and do all breeders keep in contact with the families over the years? Only the extreme whites are born deaf, with others it takes more time.

scrapindee 01-31-2009 02:48 PM
[QUOTE=bchgirl;2447741]The following are where biewers are shown as a breed of their own....NAKC, IABCA, and ARBA. So no, it is not necessary to register with any of the registeries you've listed above. QUOTE]

Biewers can be registered with ARBA, in Germany, with local Biewer registeries, with NAKC, and IABCA.

bchgirl 01-31-2009 02:51 PM
[quote=scrapindee;2447840]
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2447741)
The following are where biewers are shown as a breed of their own....NAKC, IABCA, and ARBA. So no, it is not necessary to register with any of the registeries you've listed above. QUOTE]

Biewers can be registered with ARBA, in Germany, with local Biewer registeries, with NAKC, and IABCA.
Yes, I understand...I was trying to explain it to others here, but I may have been confusing.

bchgirl 01-31-2009 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2447804)
Well the ones I listed were just a few of the over 100 out there.

What breed are they registered as, and which breeds were used to create them?
Again they are registered as Biewer Yorkshire Terrrier a la pom pon. OR one club uses the name Biewer Terrier. Those are the names they are registered and shown under.

I have no clue what other than yorkshire terriers were included in the make up of the breed.

JeanieK 01-31-2009 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2447838)
Would you mind telling us how many members are in your club, and how many dogs have been produced, and do all breeders keep in contact with the families over the years? Only the extreme whites are born deaf, with others it takes more time.
Our club is very new, and there aren't as many serious parti yorkie breeders out there yet. most of us have just recently aquired our partis and hfave yet to even have our first parti pups.

This will take time.

JeanieK 01-31-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2447853)
Again they are registered as Biewer Yorkshire Terrrier a la pom pon. OR one club uses the name Biewer Terrier. Those are the names they are registered and shown under.

I have no clue what other than yorkshire terriers were included in the make up of the breed.
Thank You.

I assume that you are not among those that are trying to establish the Biewers as a breed separate from the Biewer yorkshire Terriers.

The Biewer Terriers are the ones that I am asking about.

There seems to be a reluctance to answer those questions about the Biewer Terrer.

Pinehaven 01-31-2009 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2447837)
It does seem like, across the board, piebald dogs are not recommended to breed due to the risks.
You are kidding, right ... do you know how many breeds there are that are spotted? I don't think that "piebald dogs are not recommended to breed due to the risk" ... if that were the case, we'd have 30-50% fewer breeds than we do now.

my2boyz 01-31-2009 03:30 PM
So far my piebald dogs have been healthier than any of the standard Yorkies that I have owned and all of my Yorkies came from 'reputable' breeders.

TammyJM 01-31-2009 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2447906)
You are kidding, right ... do you know how many breeds there are that are spotted? I don't think that "piebald dogs are not recommended to breed due to the risk" ... if that were the case, we'd have 30-50% fewer breeds than we do now.
Sue, this is exactly what I was thinking. :rolleyes: I believe it was Nancy that said that it is the "extreme white" that are born with problems (I assume she is talking about deafness)...well, I would venture to say that Maltese, Bichons, Westies are all "extreme white". I wonder if breeders of these dogs realize that their dogs are doomed to deafness. :rolleyes: ;)

Nancy1999 01-31-2009 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2447921)
Sue, this is exactly what I was thinking. :rolleyes: I believe it was Nancy that said that it is the "extreme white" that are born with problems (I assume she is talking about deafness)...well, I would venture to say that Maltese, Bichons, Westies are all "extreme white". I wonder if breeders of these dogs realize that their dogs are doomed to deafness. :rolleyes: ;)
Sorry I should have said that the extreme whites are more likely to be born deaf; with others it takes time to develop the deafness. I have to say it bothers me that some of you are so defensive about this, and don't even seem open to discovering the truth. It does seem like some of you, just want to make a few jokes, and roll your eyes at how stupid this is.

Breezeaway 01-31-2009 04:04 PM
It is the Merling gene that causes deafness and blindness in dogs. I bred australian shepherds, Breeding 2 dogs with the merle gene produces pups that are blind or deaf if they are born with a solid white head. The merle gene is not the same as the piebald gene. They dont have to be extreme white, Just an all white head to be deaf or blind.

Nancy1999 01-31-2009 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2447959)
It is the Merling gene that causes deafness and blindness in dogs. I bred australian shepherds, Breeding 2 dogs with the merle gene produces pups that are blind or deaf if they are born with a solid white head. The merle gene is not the same as the piebald gene.

Here's one link that discusses the piebald gene, and deafness. DEAF PUPPIES


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