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QuickSilver 01-30-2009 05:48 PM
Somewhere back in this thread, someone said they were trying to breed partis and had been unsuccessful in breeding this color. I would think if this was clearly one recessive gene, it would be easy to get partis, no? Wouldn't you just take two partis, or two dogs that have produced parti pups? Did I misunderstand something?

sierrapups 01-30-2009 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2446688)
Yes but these dogs have to be registered initially with an all breed regisrty. Maybe their offspring can just be registered with the breed club until the breed is established. But the founding dogs had to be registered with an all breed registry.

So I am asking, what are they registered as?

So do you care to share wsith us what Pruett said in her deleted post. I did not see it. I was told that she said she did not like to repeat herself, and that they were registered as Biewer yorkshire terriers. that is all I know.
That is not what it said and I am not about to put a post up that caused someone to complain and have her suspended!! PM Gayle and ask her yourself I am sure she would not hesitate to repeat it.
The BTCA does also register its dogs with ARBA. ARBA is recognized by a number of creditable dog organizations in America. ARBA also recognizes the BTCA as the parent club for the breed.
What you keep referring to on the Mars page is the blanket statement they make to the general public, it does not reflect the intricate work that they are doing with the BTCA.

Nancy1999 01-30-2009 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2446713)
Somewhere back in this thread, someone said they were trying to breed partis and had been unsuccessful in breeding this color. I would think if this was clearly one recessive gene, it would be easy to get partis, no? Wouldn't you just take two partis, or two dogs that have produced parti pups? Did I misunderstand something?
If you take two partis, you will always produce a parti, but people are taking regular yorkies, and breeding them to make them parti carriers. With two parti carriers, your odds of getting a full parti are 1 in four. Remember this is just statistically speaking. It doesn't mean for every 4 puppies one breeder has, he'll always have one parti. One breeder could produce 4 pups that display the parti trait while another may have none. Think of sex in human babies, the odds are close to 50-50 for male and female, but we all know families that have all males or all females.

JeanieK 01-30-2009 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Delightyorkies (Post 2446691)
BTRA is going into the 4 th Generation of DNA ed and Mars tested Biewer Terriers .Why on earth, would we want to register our dogs with something like CKC ,that requires a picture and some money to register.I have not seen a Yorkiebreeder that registers with CKC unless they lost their AKC privilege or is registering limited marked AKC puppies for breeding.
Is this in reference to my question?

sierrapups 01-30-2009 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2446729)
If you take two partis, you will always produce a parti, but people are taking regular yorkies, and breeding them to make them parti carriers. With two parti carriers, your odds of getting a full parti are 1 in four. Remember this is just statistically speaking. It doesn't mean for every 4 puppies one breeder has, he'll always have one parti. One breeder could produce 4 pups that display the parti trait while another may have none. Think of sex in human babies, the odds are close to 50-50 for male and female, but we all know families that have all males or all females.
Are you saying that if you take 2 partis you will get only one parti in the litter or the whole litter is partis?
If you breed two Biewers together you will always get all Biewers unless one of them has a Biewer looking splitter for a parent.

QuickSilver 01-30-2009 06:07 PM
Sure, and I'm not challenging you, because clearly you know a lot about this. I'm trying to understand better.

Breeding dogs generally have many more children that people, so statistically, you should tend to the norm. It's one thing to have all three of your children be boys, but to have all dozen of your children be male would be very uncommon. It would seem to me that it would be pretty easy to produce partis if you want them. Do you know the post I'm referring to where someone said she was trying to produce partis but hadn't seen one yet?

JeanieK 01-30-2009 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2446713)
Somewhere back in this thread, someone said they were trying to breed partis and had been unsuccessful in breeding this color. I would think if this was clearly one recessive gene, it would be easy to get partis, no? Wouldn't you just take two partis, or two dogs that have produced parti pups? Did I misunderstand something?
I don't recall seeing that post, unless it was one of mine where i said I have yet to get any partis.

But yes if you have two partis, you will get parties, recessive genes always breed true. However if you have a parti and a carrier, the odds are 50 50. so since i'm not getting any someone else must be getting 100%. LOL

JeanieK 01-30-2009 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sierrapups (Post 2446720)
That is not what it said and I am not about to put a post up that caused someone to complain and have her suspended!! PM Gayle and ask her yourself I am sure she would not hesitate to repeat it.
The BTCA does also register its dogs with ARBA. ARBA is recognized by a number of creditable dog organizations in America. ARBA also recognizes the BTCA as the parent club for the breed.
What you keep referring to on the Mars page is the blanket statement they make to the general public, it does not reflect the intricate work that they are doing with the BTCA.
Well if Mars won't stand behind their testing then why would I? I think their testing is still too new to put much faith in. But either way it does not matter to me because I don't see the point in getting my dogs tested as long as allparties concerned are satisfied that they are yorkies.

JeanieK 01-30-2009 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2446729)
If you take two partis, you will always produce a parti, but people are taking regular yorkies, and breeding them to make them parti carriers. With two parti carriers, your odds of getting a full parti are 1 in four. Remember this is just statistically speaking. It doesn't mean for every 4 puppies one breeder has, he'll always have one parti. One breeder could produce 4 pups that display the parti trait while another may have none. Think of sex in human babies, the odds are close to 50-50 for male and female, but we all know families that have all males or all females.
And someone else is getting my share.

JeanieK 01-30-2009 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sierrapups (Post 2446744)
Are you saying that if you take 2 partis you will get only one parti in the litter or the whole litter is partis?
If you breed two Biewers together you will always get all Biewers unless one of them has a Biewer looking splitter for a parent.
Two partis wil always produce all partis

JeanieK 01-30-2009 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2446745)
Sure, and I'm not challenging you, because clearly you know a lot about this. I'm trying to understand better.

Breeding dogs generally have many more children that people, so statistically, you should tend to the norm. It's one thing to have all three of your children be boys, but to have all dozen of your children be male would be very uncommon. It would seem to me that it would be pretty easy to produce partis if you want them. Do you know the post I'm referring to where someone said she was trying to produce partis but hadn't seen one yet?
It is easier to follow your conversation if you quote the person you are talking to.

sierrapups 01-30-2009 06:19 PM
JeanieK,
Did you personally speak with the Mars people?
Does anyone have any pictures of the Partis as puppies? I have never seen them.

Nancy1999 01-30-2009 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sierrapups (Post 2446744)
Are you saying that if you take 2 partis you will get only one parti in the litter or the whole litter is partis?
If you breed two Biewers together you will always get all Biewers unless one of them has a Biewer looking splitter for a parent.
No, I said,
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If you take two partis, you will always produce a parti,
but people are taking regular yorkies, and breeding them to make them parti carriers. With two parti carriers, your odds of getting a full parti are 1 in four. Remember this is just statistically speaking. It doesn't mean for every 4 puppies one breeder has, he'll always have one parti. One breeder could produce 4 pups that display the parti trait while another may have none. . .
What the biewers call "splitters", the parti breeder call "carriers" The odds are one in four of producing a parti if both parents are carriers. You would get one Parti, one dog that was not a carrier and two carriers out of every four dogs, but as I explained before this is statiscally speaking, it doesn't mean out of every 4 dogs any one breeder will get this, this is just the odds.

Nancy1999 01-30-2009 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2446745)
Sure, and I'm not challenging you, because clearly you know a lot about this. I'm trying to understand better.

Breeding dogs generally have many more children that people, so statistically, you should tend to the norm. It's one thing to have all three of your children be boys, but to have all dozen of your children be male would be very uncommon. It would seem to me that it would be pretty easy to produce partis if you want them. Do you know the post I'm referring to where someone said she was trying to produce partis but hadn't seen one yet?

Yes it is pretty easy to produce Partis if you want them, all you have to do is breed two Partis together. Some breeders are breeding "carriers" and the odds become 1 in four it will be a Parti. Some people probably are breeding what they think to be carriers, but are just regular yorkies. Remember the odds of producing a regular yorkie when you mate carriers together are also one in four. I'm not sure how they would know he's a carrier, unless the dog has produced a Parti before.

Breezeaway 01-30-2009 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Delightyorkies (Post 2446440)
There is" Not ONE"Yorkshire Terrier club in Germany ,that recognize the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier as a Yorkshire Terrier and this after 25 years in the country of it's origin.The VDH to this day will ban any Yorkshire Terrier Breeder from registering with them, if they also are breeding Biewer Yorkshire Terriers a la pom pon.Nobody has ever fought to get the Biewer recognized as a Yorkshire Terrier in Germany.You call them ,and they will tell you the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom pon is a Mischling (mixed Breed).Dagmar took over an existing Yorkshire terrier club and started the IBC.The IBC is run by one person and has no backing from any other Yorkie club.Independent all Breed registries started in later years, to register the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom pon also.If you truly believe that the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon ,that was bred by Mr. and Mrs. Biewer, is the same thing ,that has been send over here in the last 6 years ,you are sadly mistaken.
This is Taken from a Biewer site"ALL Biewers regardless of whether bred in the United States, Germany, Argentina or Hungary will trace back to Darling von Friedheck and Fru-Fru von Friedheck . If they do not then they are not Biewers.


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