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yorkiekist · 12-19-2008, 11:59 AM

I will bet that Kathy Murphy doesnt know this either!!! I will let her know. Its because of people like this greeder that so many reputable breeders have put huge contracts or spay/neuter before they sell their puppies. People just arent who they say they are now-a-days. Its all about the $$$.

Nancy1999 · 12-19-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I will bet that Kathy Murphy doesnt know this either!!! I will let her know. Its because of people like this greeder that so many reputable breeders have put huge contracts or spay/neuter before they sell their puppies. People just arent who they say they are now-a-days. Its all about the $$$.

I didn't realize one of them was Kathy's, I knew Gold Dust sounded familiar.

yorkiekist · 12-19-2008, 12:12 PM

I wonder why who-ever ownes Imagine Me would ever breed him to an obvious pet quality female to produce Visa? I dont think that Kathy or Bettyanne own him but I think they are co-owners. This is exactly how great bloodlines get into the hands of greeders, indescriminate breeding. Very sad.

yorkiekist · 12-19-2008, 12:38 PM

But then again, some people have the best intentions at first with their future breeding program and get well known breeders to either breed to their female or they buy a show prospect from them. The newbie breeder seems wonderful at first. Wanting to show and improve their lines, etc. Then, sometimes, plans and everything goes south. Breeding can get overwhelming and expensive fast. Things happen. The well known breeder regrets his/her good intentions to help a newbie get started and the newbie breeder ends up selling puppies to the wrong people, creating hurt feelings all the way around.

Nancy1999 · 12-19-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

But then again, some people have the best intentions at first with their future breeding program and get well known breeders to either breed to their female or they buy a show prospect from them. The newbie breeder seems wonderful at first. Wanting to show and improve their lines, etc. Then, sometimes, plans and everything goes south. Breeding can get overwhelming and expensive fast. Things happen. The well known breeder regrets his/her good intentions to help a newbie get started and the newbie breeder ends up selling puppies to the wrong people, creating hurt feelings all the way around.

I understand this can happen, but it just kills me that they are being used as a selling point to push mix breeds. I wonder if there is anything that the original breeders can do? I know Joey's breeder put it in the contract that she can pretty much get him at anytime if I'm doing something that she doesn't like. I also have to get her approval to sell.

cj125 · 12-19-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I think she means that breeders who are actually trying to improve their lines, and want a special dog to add to their lines are having more trouble getting them because so many breeders have been burnt this way, by this, I mean one of their offspring going into the wrong hands.

Oh, ok Nancy.

cj125 · 12-19-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I will bet that Kathy Murphy doesnt know this either!!! I will let her know. Its because of people like this greeder that so many reputable breeders have put huge contracts or spay/neuter before they sell their puppies. People just arent who they say they are now-a-days. Its all about the $$$.

Thank You! Please let us know what she says.

cj125 · 12-19-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I wonder why who-ever ownes Imagine Me would ever breed him to an obvious pet quality female to produce Visa? I dont think that Kathy or Bettyanne own him but I think they are co-owners. This is exactly how great bloodlines get into the hands of greeders, indescriminate breeding. Very sad.

I hope someone gets Viza soon or she'll be putting out the litters for someone else.

cj125 · 12-19-2008, 07:19 PM

It looks like she sold Viza's puppy to a broker in PA

EmrldShdwQueen · 12-20-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I wonder why who-ever ownes Imagine Me would ever breed him to an obvious pet quality female to produce Visa? I dont think that Kathy or Bettyanne own him but I think they are co-owners. This is exactly how great bloodlines get into the hands of greeders, indescriminate breeding. Very sad.

That's sad that someone would do that to them. If they are co-owners though they would have to sign the litter registrations for the pups, so they would have to know about it. I bet someone was not honest about their intentions along the way.

I do not blame good breeders at all for being so selective about where they place their pups and having a strict contract. I don't even show yet and I have yet to place a puppy with breeding rights for that very reason, it's hard to trust people because you just never know what they might do for the money.

mypreciouspups · 12-20-2008, 10:43 PM

omg I have met this breeder and she is really upset that she uses her dogs pedigree to just make money... I talked in lengths to her.. and I feel so bad for maxine seeing this.. it breaks my heart...those where Maxine's words to me.. of course before I knew who this person was.. but she said she has internet and I have heard she sells her puppies using the pedigree to make more dollars....
It upset me then... but even more now since I have seen this post.. disgusting really.... anne

xxmxaxrxyxx · 12-21-2008, 12:18 AM

i can't not believe that..people these days...trust is so hard to come by these days!

yorkiekist · 12-21-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EmrldShdwQueen

That's sad that someone would do that to them. If they are co-owners though they would have to sign the litter registrations for the pups, so they would have to know about it. I bet someone was not honest about their intentions along the way.

I do not blame good breeders at all for being so selective about where they place their pups and having a strict contract. I don't even show yet and I have yet to place a puppy with breeding rights for that very reason, it's hard to trust people because you just never know what they might do for the money.

Actually the co-owner of the stud does not have to sign the litter registration papers or certificate of stud service. So they might not have known about this at all. I have a verbal only agreement with Kathy that I will not stud out these beautiful boys and will not sell any puppies produced on full AKC registration. I will never betray Kathy's trust on this. Thats just not me. To me a contract is a contract, verbal or written.

xxmxaxrxyxx · 12-21-2008, 03:53 PM

i am not taking side but following the link and reading about it ... i don't think she used that girl to breed mix breeds....for what i have read the girl had 1 litter that had 1 puppy which was breed to another yorkie on that there name Oscar. Although this breeder does seem to be mixing breeds...i don't think she acquire the CH sired female to mix breeds...just looking at it from another point of view...

YoRkiE Te aMo · 12-21-2008, 04:49 PM

yes i noticed that also..accordance with the information on the site she breed the girl Viza with Oscar..not clear if there were 2 pups or one as there are two photos of pups at the same ages...also on the pedigrees for both it shows Maxine as breeder...and if read about Oscar she is using him for the mixed breeds she is creating...DESIGNER DOGS !
Guess she is unaware of all the MUTTZ put to death every year that they are unable to find homes for

12-19-2008, 07:19 PM	#24
cj125 Mia, Max and Moe's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,403	It looks like she sold Viza's puppy to a broker in PA __________________ *Connie* Mia Max Moe

12-21-2008, 12:18 AM	#27
xxmxaxrxyxx Missing Yoshi Everyday! Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 15,110 Blog Entries: 3	i can't not believe that..people these days...trust is so hard to come by these days! __________________ Yoshi Mei Ling Ting Ting Ting Ki Sun Hye Yukio Kioshi

12-21-2008, 03:53 PM	#29
xxmxaxrxyxx Missing Yoshi Everyday! Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 15,110 Blog Entries: 3	i am not taking side but following the link and reading about it ... i don't think she used that girl to breed mix breeds....for what i have read the girl had 1 litter that had 1 puppy which was breed to another yorkie on that there name Oscar. Although this breeder does seem to be mixing breeds...i don't think she acquire the CH sired female to mix breeds...just looking at it from another point of view... __________________ Yoshi Mei Ling Ting Ting Ting Ki Sun Hye Yukio Kioshi

12-19-2008, 11:59 AM	#16
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	I will bet that Kathy Murphy doesnt know this either!!! I will let her know. Its because of people like this greeder that so many reputable breeders have put huge contracts or spay/neuter before they sell their puppies. People just arent who they say they are now-a-days. Its all about the $$$.

12-19-2008, 12:12 PM	#18
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	I wonder why who-ever ownes Imagine Me would ever breed him to an obvious pet quality female to produce Visa? I dont think that Kathy or Bettyanne own him but I think they are co-owners. This is exactly how great bloodlines get into the hands of greeders, indescriminate breeding. Very sad.

12-19-2008, 12:38 PM	#19
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	But then again, some people have the best intentions at first with their future breeding program and get well known breeders to either breed to their female or they buy a show prospect from them. The newbie breeder seems wonderful at first. Wanting to show and improve their lines, etc. Then, sometimes, plans and everything goes south. Breeding can get overwhelming and expensive fast. Things happen. The well known breeder regrets his/her good intentions to help a newbie get started and the newbie breeder ends up selling puppies to the wrong people, creating hurt feelings all the way around.

12-20-2008, 10:43 PM	#26
mypreciouspups Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida/Canada Posts: 5,514	omg I have met this breeder and she is really upset that she uses her dogs pedigree to just make money... I talked in lengths to her.. and I feel so bad for maxine seeing this.. it breaks my heart...those where Maxine's words to me.. of course before I knew who this person was.. but she said she has internet and I have heard she sells her puppies using the pedigree to make more dollars.... It upset me then... but even more now since I have seen this post.. disgusting really.... anne

12-21-2008, 04:49 PM	#30
YoRkiE Te aMo YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toronto, Ont. Canada Posts: 421	yes i noticed that also..accordance with the information on the site she breed the girl Viza with Oscar..not clear if there were 2 pups or one as there are two photos of pups at the same ages...also on the pedigrees for both it shows Maxine as breeder...and if read about Oscar she is using him for the mixed breeds she is creating...DESIGNER DOGS ! Guess she is unaware of all the MUTTZ put to death every year that they are unable to find homes for